Science of the Bible

[Omega Man]

The writings used to form the Bible were written some 2000 years or more before the time of Jesus to about 200 or more years after,

More like anywhere from 800 years before Jesus, to 200 years afterwards.


OM

 

[Rich2018]

...more than half of the participants at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942, who planned the ‘final solution to the Jewish question’ , carried the title “doctor”. They had either doctorates or were medical practitioners.

They were mostly lawyers or soldiers or both.

The were doctors not in a medical sense but had a PhD or "doctorate" in law or economics.


Wannsee Conference - Wikipedia

 

[OrphanSlug]

More like anywhere from 800 years before Jesus, to 200 years afterwards.

OM

Not according to everyone, and I happened to be quoting several holding various positions at the Vatican.

And I’ll note you ignored every thing else in the quote to try for a victory lap.

 

[Omega Man]

Not according to everyone, and I happened to be quoting several holding various positions at the Vatican.

And I’ll note you ignored every thing else in the quote to try for a victory lap.

Nothing was ignored; I merely commented on that which I disagreed with. Pretty simple concept, really. And the timeline you suggest (2000 years prior!) is laughable, considering Paleo-Hebrew was not a written language until the 10th century BC. Come on man.


OM

 

[OrphanSlug]

Nothing was ignored; I merely commented on that which I disagreed with. Pretty simple concept, really. And the timeline you suggest (2000 years prior!) is laughable, considering Paleo-Hebrew was not a written language until the 10th century BC. Come on man.

OM

I guess those at the Vatican are wrong, enjoy that debate.

 

[MrWonderful]

No, it took humans 2000 years to catch up to science; not for science to catch up to humans. Huge distinction there.


OM

Your engage in mere word games. Science is the HUMAN endeavor of studying our surroundings, which we call nature. No science is understood without humans understanding it.
Contemporary science changes. The reality it seeks obviously does not.

 

[Rich2018]

Of course not. The Bible is a book of lessons, instructions, stories, and Commandments for us to read and learn from....

Like how much a slave is worth and how to discipline them ?

The Bible reflected the knowledge of Bronze Age man, it didn't know the world is round, it didn't know what a star was or that the world goes round one.

It thought insects walked on four legs, bees build hives in dead carcasses...

Sickness was god's punishment ...


And from this book you get your wisdom ?

 

[Overitall]

Like how much a slave is worth and how to discipline them ?

The Bible reflected the knowledge of Bronze Age man, it didn't know the world is round, it didn't know what a star was or that the world goes round one.

It thought insects walked on four legs, bees build hives in dead carcasses...

Sickness was god's punishment ...


And from this book you get your wisdom ?

1. Error 404: Page Not Found - bethinking.org

2. https://www.levendwater.org/books/witness/the_witness_of_the_stars_bullinger.pdf

3. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

4. Seems odd that Jesus would go about healing people if it was God's will that they be sick.

5. Not all of it is about wisdom. Some of it is about common sense.

 

[RAMOSS]

1. Error 404: Page Not Found - bethinking.org

2. https://www.levendwater.org/books/witness/the_witness_of_the_stars_bullinger.pdf

3. I'm not sure what you're referring to.

4. Seems odd that Jesus would go about healing people if it was God's will that they be sick.

5. Not all of it is about wisdom. Some of it is about common sense.

The first one is a broken link The second one goes to astrological gobblegook, not anything scientific.

 

[Overitall]

The first one is a broken link The second one goes to astrological gobblegook, not anything scientific.

I thought so also but then if you click on the link and look on the left side there is another link to an article about slavery. ( Does the Bible support slavery)The second one is about the ancients knowledge about the stars/astronomy.

Nothing to say about my 4th or 5th points?

 

[RAMOSS]

I thought so also but then if you click on the link and look on the left side there is another link to an article about slavery. ( Does the Bible support slavery)The second one is about the ancients knowledge about the stars/astronomy.

Nothing to say about my 4th or 5th points?

Well, when it comes to the 4th or 5th points, Doctors try to cure illness too, and if God was really concerned about illness, why let people get ill to begin with? It seems to be a huge piece of inefficiency to let/make people get till just to cure them. That does not seem to be a logical endeavor., and it's a poor design.

As for 'common sense', it's not so common. Also, wisdom is often a matter of opinion, based on either common sense, or the lack there of.

I did read about the slavery. It misrepresents a few things, and is looking at it in a very modernistic approach, rather than actually looking at it in context culturally. I don't think it's claims are factual.

 

[Omega Man]

Your engage in mere word games. Science is the HUMAN endeavor of studying our surroundings, which we call nature. No science is understood without humans understanding it.
Contemporary science changes. The reality it seeks obviously does not.

Whereas all scientists are human, not all humans are scientists; therefore it did in fact take humans 2000 years to catch up to science - and not the other way around.


OM

 

[MrWonderful]

Whereas all scientists are human, not all humans are scientists; therefore it did in fact take humans 2000 years to catch up to science - and not the other way around.


OM

You haven't begun to catch up with it yet. You're still on full rhetoric mode. Wordplay is your only game. And it shows.

ciao

 

[Overitall]

Well, when it comes to the 4th or 5th points, Doctors try to cure illness too, and if God was really concerned about illness, why let people get ill to begin with? It seems to be a huge piece of inefficiency to let/make people get till just to cure them. That does not seem to be a logical endeavor., and it's a poor design.

As for 'common sense', it's not so common. Also, wisdom is often a matter of opinion, based on either common sense, or the lack there of.

I did read about the slavery. It misrepresents a few things, and is looking at it in a very modernistic approach, rather than actually looking at it in context culturally. I don't think it's claims are factual.

If we accept that all scripture is revelation from God (2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness then we must accept that it is not God's will for anyone to be sick based on what's written in 3 John 2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Doctors, contrary to popular belief, don't cure. They treat, remove, repair. The body heals itself. It's the way it's designed (if you will). My theory when it comes to Jesus healing is that what he did is manipulated the bodies cells to accelerate (maybe at light speed) to bring about what to some would appear to be a miracle. No laws of nature were broken.

As for common sense. Yeah, not everyone has it but then not everyone is endowed with wisdom either. One can obtain both from reading the scriptures without the need to believe in God/s.

I'm not sure you have a firm grasp on the article (on Slavery). Or perhaps I don't. Care to elaborate on why you don't think it's claims are factual?

 

[RAMOSS]

If we accept that all scripture is revelation from God (2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness then we must accept that it is not God's will for anyone to be sick based on what's written in 3 John 2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Doctors, contrary to popular belief, don't cure. They treat, remove, repair. The body heals itself. It's the way it's designed (if you will). My theory when it comes to Jesus healing is that what he did is manipulated the bodies cells to accelerate (maybe at light speed) to bring about what to some would appear to be a miracle. No laws of nature were broken.

As for common sense. Yeah, not everyone has it but then not everyone is endowed with wisdom either. One can obtain both from reading the scriptures without the need to believe in God/s.

I'm not sure you have a firm grasp on the article (on Slavery). Or perhaps I don't. Care to elaborate on why you don't think it's claims are factual?

I am not Christian.. but let's look at 2 Timothy 3:16 a bit more.

Let's do something a bit odd, and look at what lead into 3:16, by seeing what 2 Timothy 3:15 was. You know, examine context a bit.

3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Now, 2 Timothy is purporting to be a letter from Paul, who was supposed to have been killed by 60 C.E. So, the passage is defining those writings that happend oh, 20 years or more before 60 C.E. That would be the Jewish scripture, and it would not be including the letters of Paul. In fact, it would before the New Testament was written at all. So, 'All scripture' is strictly referring to that which was known as a child ... and that would be the Jewish scriptures.

 

[Overitall]

I am not Christian.. but let's look at 2 Timothy 3:16 a bit more.

Let's do something a bit odd, and look at what lead into 3:16, by seeing what 2 Timothy 3:15 was. You know, examine context a bit.



Now, 2 Timothy is purporting to be a letter from Paul, who was supposed to have been killed by 60 C.E. So, the passage is defining those writings that happend oh, 20 years or more before 60 C.E. That would be the Jewish scripture, and it would not be including the letters of Paul. In fact, it would before the New Testament was written at all. So, 'All scripture' is strictly referring to that which was known as a child ... and that would be the Jewish scriptures.

You don't have to be a Christian (as I alluded to) to evaluate the value of what's written there. And just so you know (I hope you do) I'm not trying to make a convert out of you. I really don't care what you choose to believe or disbelieve. With that being said, I think you are trying to claim that Paul's writings fall outside the sphere of revelation. Not sure you can do that since it's included as part and parcel in the Scriptures. Not the OT, but the NT. Christians believe that Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote to Timothy. Throw it out if you'd like. That's your choice but Christians prefer to keep it in because it's part of their beliefs.

 

[RAMOSS]

You don't have to be a Christian (as I alluded to) to evaluate the value of what's written there. And just so you know (I hope you do) I'm not trying to make a convert out of you. I really don't care what you choose to believe or disbelieve. With that being said, I think you are trying to claim that Paul's writings fall outside the sphere of revelation. Not sure you can do that since it's included as part and parcel in the Scriptures. Not the OT, but the NT. Christians believe that Paul was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote to Timothy. Throw it out if you'd like. That's your choice but Christians prefer to keep it in because it's part of their beliefs.

I am sure. I have read the NT, and for the most part, do not find anything of value in it. There are some choice parts, but for the most part, no. But, I am just pointing out the context of 2 Timothy , and what it specifically says.

 

[Overitall]

I am sure. I have read the NT, and for the most part, do not find anything of value in it. There are some choice parts, but for the most part, no. But, I am just pointing out the context of 2 Timothy , and what it specifically says.

Yes, I think even the Pope has read the NT. Not sure I would consider him an authority on it's interpretation though. I know you were trying to point out the context. That context still has to be considered in the context of 3:16. There's no way around it. If you want to throw out one verse as not being inspired by God then I can throw out another and someone else can throw out another and eventually we'll end up with nothing left. Now, to some people that would be great.

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes, I think even the Pope has read the NT. Not sure I would consider him an authority on it's interpretation though. I know you were trying to point out the context. That context still has to be considered in the context of 3:16. There's no way around it. If you want to throw out one verse as not being inspired by God then I can throw out another and someone else can throw out another and eventually we'll end up with nothing left. Now, to some people that would be great.

Oh, I personally throw out the entire New Testament to start. The Samaritans only accepted the first 5 books.

 

[Overitall]

Oh, I personally throw out the entire New Testament to start. The Samaritans only accepted the first 5 books.

Then there's really nothing left to discuss. Poof! It's all gone.

 

[RAMOSS]

Then there's really nothing left to discuss. Poof! It's all gone.

Yep. AL the new Testament gone.

 

[Overitall]

Yep. AL the new Testament gone.

Ramoss, pardon me for asking (if it bothers you) but, are you Jewish?

 

[RAMOSS]

Ramoss, pardon me for asking (if it bothers you) but, are you Jewish?

Bar mitvah and everything.

 

[iguanaman]

In the last thread you claimed to be well versed in science.

What sort of science?

He believes God poofed a woman out of a rib.....

 

[Overitall]

Bar mitvah and everything.

Ahh, I'm beginning to see the light. I have friends who are Messianic Jews. Ever looked into it?

Messianic Judaism & Messianic Jews - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

Looking at the Book of Acts (which I know you reject also) one would see that for the most part the early "Christians" still considered themselves to be Jews. The term Christians came about thanks to the Romans who heard them speaking of Christ-in them.

I suppose we're taking this very much off-topic but it's been interesting. I'll try to keep in mind your religious persuasion in future interactions with you. Nice having this one with you.