Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

[AlbqOwl]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

You aren't science. You're politics

But he is right. Certainty and absolute are huge words to any bonafide scientist because a scientist is ever seeking to learn. Any scientists worth his salt knows that the science we have is simply inadequate to explain every question that we can have about anything. And cherry picking 'science' to fit a political agenda, as most AGW proponents do, is almost always going to be dishonest.

 

[Ouch!]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

Precipitation does not always add heat to the surface. This is a crucial part they fail to say in that link.


This is solid evidence that clouds have increased with warming. Solid evidence there is more H2O in the atmosphere.

20% seems pretty significant to me:



I could go on, but what's the point. Overall, the article does not quantify enough of these effects, so it doesn't matter to you H2O deniers.

I'm sure that the NASA scientists will be fascinated by your political theories. But, there would be no point. When you have some science and scientific resources behind you, be sure to speak up.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

You aren't science. You're politics

LOL...

That's rich, coming from you, since the "I" in ICCCP stands for "intergovernmental!"

LOL...

LOL...

ooopppppsss.....

I did it again...

CCCP... = USSR...

Such an authoritarian body...

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

And it is heresy to question weather the IPCC is correct!

Of course it's heresy. Their dogma says so. This is a settled science!

 

[Lord of Planar]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

They apply physics to earth's systems. Oceans, land, ice, and life. They account for energy.

They account for the energy budget like a gangsters accountant.

 

[Lord of Planar]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

I'm sure that the NASA scientists will be fascinated by your political theories. But, there would be no point. When you have some science and scientific resources behind you, be sure to speak up.

You really should stop speaking into a mirror you know. It looks absolutely silly.

 

[longview]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

You aren't science. You're politics

And you are qualified, to decide the level of my Science education? :mrgreen:
Nope, Real Science has little to do with politics, and should question unsupported claims.
As time progresses, the slope of the temperature change necessary to reach
the catastrophic levels of the IPCC predictions become more and more difficult.
We have seen an increase of .8 C in the last 133 years.
To get to the IPCC high prediction, we would need to increase another 2.7 C
in the next 70 to 80 years, a rate of increase over 5 times greater than observed.

 

[Threegoofs]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

You really should stop speaking into a mirror you know. It looks absolutely silly.

You really dont see that your position is sorta.. ludicrous... do you?

 

[Lord of Planar]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

You really dont see that your position is sorta.. ludicrous... do you?

My position is very, vary sane. I understand what I am speaking of, scientifically. You only recite verses from your biblical material. You never meet the challenge to explain something in your own words when aged.

Why are you here, if all you are going to do is regurgitate the same material over and over?

 

[Threegoofs]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

My position is very, vary sane. I understand what I am speaking of, scientifically. You only recite verses from your biblical material. You never meet the challenge to explain something in your own words when aged.

Why are you here, if all you are going to do is regurgitate the same material over and over?

Sorry my presence here disturbs you. I guess its understandable, because I tend to tell you what the conventional scientific wisdom is as you spout out calculations that somehow disprove AGW. I actualy explain quite a bit in my own words, you must not be paying attention. Of course you're obsessed over energy balance which is not my gig - but I trust the vast majority of scientists who specialize in this issue over some libertarian dude. Call me crazy.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

And you are qualified, to decide the level of my Science education? :mrgreen:
Nope, Real Science has little to do with politics, and should question unsupported claims.
As time progresses, the slope of the temperature change necessary to reach
the catastrophic levels of the IPCC predictions become more and more difficult.
We have seen an increase of .8 C in the last 133 years.
To get to the IPCC high prediction, we would need to increase another 2.7 C
in the next 70 to 80 years, a rate of increase over 5 times greater than observed.

Evenso, the problem is not in the study and research of whatever effect that humankind is having on environment or even climate change. This we should do and avoid that which is significantly harmful to the Earth and the living things on it. But that study and research can too easily become corrupted when you introduce government money into the process. The goal then is likely to not be so much a process of honest scientific research but rather forcing scientific 'research' to produce a particular conclusion so that the government money spigot will remain open.

There is enormous profit to be made from the doctrine of AGW. And so far nobody has figured out a way to make any money by questioning that doctrine.

 

[Ouch!]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

LOL...

That's rich, coming from you, since the "I" in ICCCP stands for "intergovernmental!"

LOL...

LOL...

ooopppppsss.....

I did it again...

CCCP... = USSR...

Such an authoritarian body...

Where's the science behind the denial industry?

What government's policies does the IPCC make? How do they enforce those policies?

 

[Ouch!]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

Of course it's heresy. Their dogma says so. This is a settled science!

Politics and religion are dogmatic.

 

[Ouch!]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

They account for the energy budget like a gangsters accountant.

As compared to the denial industry's energy budget?

 

[Ouch!]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

You really should stop speaking into a mirror you know. It looks absolutely silly.

Says his silliness, lord of nonsense.

 

[Ouch!]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

And you are qualified, to decide the level of my Science education? :mrgreen:
Nope, Real Science has little to do with politics, and should question unsupported claims.
As time progresses, the slope of the temperature change necessary to reach
the catastrophic levels of the IPCC predictions become more and more difficult.
We have seen an increase of .8 C in the last 133 years.
To get to the IPCC high prediction, we would need to increase another 2.7 C
in the next 70 to 80 years, a rate of increase over 5 times greater than observed.

You reveal your science in your posting. It's virtually non existent.

 

[Ouch!]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

My position is very, vary sane. I understand what I am speaking of, scientifically. You only recite verses from your biblical material. You never meet the challenge to explain something in your own words when aged.

Why are you here, if all you are going to do is regurgitate the same material over and over?

If you have all if this why don't you post it? Why do you deny science? Why are you apparently addicted to denial industry porn?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

Where's the science behind the denial industry?

What government's policies does the IPCC make? How do they enforce those policies?

Can someone please take this broken record off the turntable?

 

[Ouch!]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

Evenso, the problem is not in the study and research of whatever effect that humankind is having on environment or even climate change. This we should do and avoid that which is significantly harmful to the Earth and the living things on it. But that study and research can too easily become corrupted when you introduce government money into the process. The goal then is likely to not be so much a process of honest scientific research but rather forcing scientific 'research' to produce a particular conclusion so that the government money spigot will remain open.

There is enormous profit to be made from the doctrine of AGW. And so far nobody has figured out a way to make any money by questioning that doctrine.

Miniscule compared to fossil fuel and anti government entertainment profits. Plus scientists are addicted to reality. Why do you think that they became scientists and not politicians or business people?

 

[Ouch!]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

Can someone please take this broken record off the turntable?

Truth is not optional in life. It will follow you everywhere.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

Politics and religion are dogmatic.

Yes, and the IPCC is very political and very dogmatic.

 

[Lord of Planar]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

As compared to the denial industry's energy budget?

Please, show me one.

 

[Ouch!]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

Please, show me one.

Apparently they don't have one. Nor the resources to put one together. They just instinctively must know what's wrong without knowing what's right.

Weird, huh?

 

[LowDown]

Re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"

IPCC is science based. Politics and religion are dogmatic.

The IPCC has invested much science in probability. They are precise about uncertainty. As compared to politics, which is inherently driven by avoiding responsibility today, no matter what the cost.

As the OP indicates, their claims of certainty aren't warranted. The 95% certainty of AGW claim is especially spurious. They can't explain why global temperatures rose from 1910 to 1940 or why they failed to continue rising from 1940 to 1975 but they claim to be 95% certain why temperatures rose from 1975 to 1998. They can't explain why they haven't risen very much since 1998 even though atmospheric CO2 is rising faster than ever.

 

[Lord of Planar]

re: Science: Effect of man on climate is "highly uncertain"[W:1000, 1660]

Apparently they don't have one. Nor the resources to put one together. They just instinctively must know what's wrong without knowing what's right.

Weird, huh?

You don't get it, do you. Don't need one. Just showing any part of the alarmists budget to be wrong is all that is needed.