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Schools using a financial literacy textbook written by a right-wing evangelical personal finance pundit who lacks training

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"Last week, Pasco County Schools in suburban Tampa held a public reconsideration hearing on its use of right-wing, evangelical personal finance pundit Dave Ramsey’s religiously inspired and sometimes factually challenged textbook in the school’s financial literacy classes. Florida high school students are required to take such a course before graduating. The district moved to use the book earlier this year, after Florida’s Board of Education put it on its list of approved materials.

...he tells teenagers they “don’t need a credit score” because “debt-free people don’t need a credit score!” (Good luck getting your own lease on an apartment without one.) He advises against student loans, telling teens and their parents to save up money and apply for scholarships. (Reality check: More than half of 2023 college graduates took out a student loan.) Car leases and loans are a no-no for Ramsey, too — which sounds good till you remember how poor public transit is in much of the United States, and that in many places people can’t work if they don’t own a car. ...Then there is the religious angle. Ramsey’s budgeting advice begins with telling students “giving is your first priority in your budget” and instructing them to give away 10 percent of their income — which sounds suspiciously like tithing. Proverbs from the Bible are sprinkled throughout the text.


Ramsey has no education credentials and no significant professional financial training. He is simply someone who merged evangelical teachings with his own personal finance and political beliefs and became a star."

A parent opposed to this book being used in their child's class should simply complain that it makes their child feel ashamed based on their race (white kids have a terrific advantage over blacks when it comes to financial security.)

Beyond that, students don't need financial literacy classes. They just need more money. Studies show they don't remember much of what is taught in these classes, and when families have more money, they save more money.
 
Dave Ramsay’s debt snowball got me out of debt and into having decent savings.

The rest of his advice is trash though.
 
...he tells teenagers they “don’t need a credit score” because “debt-free people don’t need a credit score!”​
Holy ****ing stupid, yes you do need a credit score.
 
"Last week, Pasco County Schools in suburban Tampa held a public reconsideration hearing on its use of right-wing, evangelical personal finance pundit Dave Ramsey’s religiously inspired and sometimes factually challenged textbook in the school’s financial literacy classes. Florida high school students are required to take such a course before graduating. The district moved to use the book earlier this year, after Florida’s Board of Education put it on its list of approved materials.

...he tells teenagers they “don’t need a credit score” because “debt-free people don’t need a credit score!” (Good luck getting your own lease on an apartment without one.) He advises against student loans, telling teens and their parents to save up money and apply for scholarships. (Reality check: More than half of 2023 college graduates took out a student loan.) Car leases and loans are a no-no for Ramsey, too — which sounds good till you remember how poor public transit is in much of the United States, and that in many places people can’t work if they don’t own a car. ...Then there is the religious angle. Ramsey’s budgeting advice begins with telling students “giving is your first priority in your budget” and instructing them to give away 10 percent of their income — which sounds suspiciously like tithing. Proverbs from the Bible are sprinkled throughout the text.


Ramsey has no education credentials and no significant professional financial training. He is simply someone who merged evangelical teachings with his own personal finance and political beliefs and became a star."

A parent opposed to this book being used in their child's class should simply complain that it makes their child feel ashamed based on their race (white kids have a terrific advantage over blacks when it comes to financial security.)

Beyond that, students don't need financial literacy classes. They just need more money. Studies show they don't remember much of what is taught in these classes, and when families have more money, they save more money.
As a long time florida resident, trump, desantis and the republican party is the worst thing that ever happened to florida. These sanctimonious religious assholes piss me off to no end and yet the kind of shit they put forth somehow is ok. If I had a kid in school, I would be doing my best to get that book banned.

Keep your ****ing religion in church. If anyone wants to know about it, they'll walk in themselves to find out.
 
Dave Ramsy's advice is nothing more than common sense. One of the ideas that stand out is his belief that people should get rid of all debt. I happen to believe that too and I got rid of all my debt in my early 30s. That said I don't know what our economy would look like if everyone got rid of all their consumer debt. Overall economic growth would probably be cut in half, but we wouldn't have all the financial basket cases we see all over the country. Never the less, will never happen. Yet one one reason why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
 
Dave Ramsay’s debt snowball got me out of debt and into having decent savings.

The rest of his advice is trash though.
Don't live beyond your means. I watched a lady in the grocery store buy quite a few lottery tickets...with her credit card.
I have several thousand dollars of debt, smart debt. We've upgraded the interior of our home. Lots of stuff from home depot, twelve grand worth that I've been paying off every month, two hundred bucks a pop. No interest for twenty four months. It will leave me with a five grand or so balance which I'll pay off before the no interest expires.
 
Don't live beyond your means. I watched a lady in the grocery store buy quite a few lottery tickets...with her credit card.
I have several thousand dollars of debt, smart debt. We've upgraded the interior of our home. Lots of stuff from home depot, twelve grand worth that I've been paying off every month, two hundred bucks a pop. No interest for twenty four months. It will leave me with a five grand or so balance which I'll pay off before the no interest expires.
When I was a young factory worker in rural Georgia making basically nothing, it was impossible not to.

Now that I work in data analytics and engineering on the MS azure platform, living within (actually, under) my means is possible.
 
What did you expect, a living wage?
Yeah the “whole live within your means” advice ignores the reality that many people are stuck with due to circumstance beyond their control.

It’s a very blind attitude.
 
Yeah the “whole live within your means” advice ignores the reality that many people are stuck with due to circumstance beyond their control.

It’s a very blind attitude.
Count your blessings. We live in a period where anybody can go out there and find another job or two or whatever they want. In all the times I've been alive that's never been the case. When I was just starting out in the late 70s and early 80s it was pretty darn tough to find a job. I had lots of rejections. It taught me a lot about the ups and down of life.
 
Count your blessings. We live in a period where anybody can go out there and find another job or two or whatever they want. In all the times I've been alive that's never been the case. When I was just starting out in the late 70s and early 80s it was pretty darn tough to find a job. I had lots of rejections. It taught me a lot about the ups and down of life.
I am very blessed. I’ve been homeless and know how hard things can be.

Those experiences are a large part of why I try to advocate for those without.
 
"Last week, Pasco County Schools in suburban Tampa held a public reconsideration hearing on its use of right-wing, evangelical personal finance pundit Dave Ramsey’s religiously inspired and sometimes factually challenged textbook in the school’s financial literacy classes. Florida high school students are required to take such a course before graduating. The district moved to use the book earlier this year, after Florida’s Board of Education put it on its list of approved materials.

...he tells teenagers they “don’t need a credit score” because “debt-free people don’t need a credit score!” (Good luck getting your own lease on an apartment without one.) He advises against student loans, telling teens and their parents to save up money and apply for scholarships. (Reality check: More than half of 2023 college graduates took out a student loan.) Car leases and loans are a no-no for Ramsey, too — which sounds good till you remember how poor public transit is in much of the United States, and that in many places people can’t work if they don’t own a car. ...Then there is the religious angle. Ramsey’s budgeting advice begins with telling students “giving is your first priority in your budget” and instructing them to give away 10 percent of their income — which sounds suspiciously like tithing. Proverbs from the Bible are sprinkled throughout the text.


Ramsey has no education credentials and no significant professional financial training. He is simply someone who merged evangelical teachings with his own personal finance and political beliefs and became a star."

A parent opposed to this book being used in their child's class should simply complain that it makes their child feel ashamed based on their race (white kids have a terrific advantage over blacks when it comes to financial security.)

Beyond that, students don't need financial literacy classes. They just need more money. Studies show they don't remember much of what is taught in these classes, and when families have more money, they save more money.
My kids understand the need for a good credit rating quite well now that they are on their own. Of course anything financial usually gets run by their cpa dad.
 
Dude gives out horrendous ****ing advice.

Hard enough for young people to navigate this rigged economy as is.
 
Beyond that, students don't need financial literacy classes. They just need more money. Studies show they don't remember much of what is taught in these classes, and when families have more money, they save more money.
I don't agree with that.
 
Dave Ramsay’s debt snowball got me out of debt and into having decent savings.

Same. I paid off my student loans 20 years early because I followed his advice on how to get out of debt.
 
"Last week, Pasco County Schools in suburban Tampa held a public reconsideration hearing on its use of right-wing, evangelical personal finance pundit Dave Ramsey’s religiously inspired and sometimes factually challenged textbook in the school’s financial literacy classes. Florida high school students are required to take such a course before graduating. The district moved to use the book earlier this year, after Florida’s Board of Education put it on its list of approved materials.

...he tells teenagers they “don’t need a credit score” because “debt-free people don’t need a credit score!” (Good luck getting your own lease on an apartment without one.) He advises against student loans, telling teens and their parents to save up money and apply for scholarships. (Reality check: More than half of 2023 college graduates took out a student loan.) Car leases and loans are a no-no for Ramsey, too — which sounds good till you remember how poor public transit is in much of the United States, and that in many places people can’t work if they don’t own a car. ...Then there is the religious angle. Ramsey’s budgeting advice begins with telling students “giving is your first priority in your budget” and instructing them to give away 10 percent of their income — which sounds suspiciously like tithing. Proverbs from the Bible are sprinkled throughout the text.


Ramsey has no education credentials and no significant professional financial training. He is simply someone who merged evangelical teachings with his own personal finance and political beliefs and became a star."

A parent opposed to this book being used in their child's class should simply complain that it makes their child feel ashamed based on their race (white kids have a terrific advantage over blacks when it comes to financial security.)

Beyond that, students don't need financial literacy classes. They just need more money. Studies show they don't remember much of what is taught in these classes, and when families have more money, they save more money.
As opposed the standard LW curriculum that preaches the money management slogan "if you still got checks, go ahead and spend"?
 
Looks like Pasco County believes in grooming children to be financially illiterate.
 
As opposed the standard LW curriculum that preaches the money management slogan "if you still got checks, go ahead and spend"?

Link? Lol.
 
Same. I paid off my student loans 20 years early because I followed his advice on how to get out of debt.

Did you follow his advise on tithing?
 
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