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Schools forced to divert staff amid historic flood of records requests

Napoleon said:
The schools brought this on themselves by refusing to be transparent.
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And what does transparency mean to you in this context? Do you think any parent who can dial a phone is entitled to some of a principals time, or school district administrator?
 
Roadvirus said:
Shame on them for demanding transparency :rolleyes:
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You too with the transparency bull. Just because you have a child in school doesn't entitle you to a principal or school district administrators time.
 
Grand Mal said:
And what does transparency mean to you in this context? Do you think any parent who can dial a phone is entitled to some of a principals time, or school district administrator?
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It means that all documents pertaining to educational material should be publicly available.
 
Napoleon said:
It means that all documents pertaining to educational material should be publicly available.
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They usually already are.

These people want to be a nuisance and get copies of internal emails, calls, notes, etc.

They’re on a witch hunt to waste resources.
 
Napoleon said:
It means that all documents pertaining to educational material should be publicly available.
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They are. Except for various documents related to personel etc.
 
JRTurner said:
Again--most curriculum is already posted online. These are the ones for 2 districts near me:

Curriculum | Mount Vernon Schools

www.mountvernonschools.org www.mountvernonschools.org

www.everettpublicschools.org

Curriculum and Instruction

Everett Public School District is located in Everett, MA.
www.everettpublicschools.org www.everettpublicschools.org

This is the school district curriculum for Trump:

Elementary, Middle and High School Subject Areas - Palm Beach County School District

Elementary, Middle and High School Subject Areas - Palm Beach County School District
www.palmbeachschools.org www.palmbeachschools.org

This is the school district curriculum for Biden:

This is the school district for Tucker Carlson:
islandschoolbocagrande.com

Curriculum Activities - The Island School

The Island School provides an innovative environment which enriches the lives of its children, parents and community. Learn more.
islandschoolbocagrande.com islandschoolbocagrande.com

You can see what's being taught down the street from you so I'm not sure why they need to request anything from the school district at all. Unless it has nothing at all to do with what is being taught.
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One example from the article shared earlier:

Carol Beth Litkouhi, a parent in Michigan’s Rochester Community Schools, wound up taking her district to court over what she called its refusal to provide public records she requested related to a class on ethnic and gender studies. Litkouhi grew concerned about the course when she saw a teacher’s post on social media that suggested to Litkouhi the class materials “were all coming from one side of the political spectrum,” she said, declining to specify which side.

But over the course of six months and a half-dozen Michigan Freedom of Information Act requests, the district declined to share the list of class readings and assignments Litkouhi had asked for, she said, leading her to sue. In the interim, she also ran for school board, in part campaigning to make the district more “transparent and forthcoming about what is being taught to students,” as she wrote in a Facebook post from her candidate page.
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Deuce said:
Just the next tactic in the right wing efforts to actively sabotage this nation's education system
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The education system already doesn’t work, there’s nothing to really sabotage, except the darkness in which a vast web of activists, wierdos, NGOs and educator unions force left propaganda into the curriculum

Records requests are great. It was with records requests for example we learned that big city governments and left activists had a secret manual for how to use coded language to argue for gun control. There is likely many such documents and publications in the background of schools
 
JRTurner said:
Most school curriculum is available online. I don't understand the need to bombard schools with requests.
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It’s not just curriculum, much of the curriculum and how it’s taught is communicated through different ways from teacher meetings, to directives by administrators, to influence by activist groups, etc. most of these are not discussed in public areas

So you need the email chains, meetings, all their internal communications to each other, etc, these will also often reveal the names of other people involved and where they communicate, if a principal says in an email “it was great to see you at x conference” then you start figuring out what this work conference was and what was discussed. Government functionaries are remarkably more candid on email then they should be, but that’s good for society

Years ago 2nd amendment activists discovered a secret manual for city politicians on how to promote gun control, and the activists who wrote the manual didn’t want it public but it got released because so many Seattle city officials were quoting it on emails
 
NolanVoyd said:
Then let's go back to the way we used to do it.
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We should, meaning pre-1970s

Education should be focused on fostering patriotism, Christian values (in the secular sense, not advocating a particular sect), and a traditional world view.
 
WorldWatcher said:

Doesn't your school charge for that?

Once we get a request we estimate the cost and let the person know in advance and they have to agree. If it's a minor amount (say under $50) once they agree we will provide it and expect payment. If it's a major amount, we will require pre-payment of the estimate (and will refund or bill for a differential).

WW
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in my former state they couldn’t bill you hourly for documents. They could charge fees for media, but given the job duties of these officials include responding to records requests that’s just a taxpayer provided service
 
Wow. They are totally reenacting 1984.

No teacher in their right minds would want to remain a teacher if their worst critics were given access to their discussions amongst each other. And for what purpose? Even if they said something simple, like, "Hey, I like what Trump/Biden did on X"--the next thing you know, they want that teacher 'cancelled' and removed from her job for indoctrinating children with political speech.

This is very ugly.
 
Loulit01 said:
They could ask their kids what they're learning about, check their homework, and show up for parent/teacher conferences. But then they wouldn't be owning the libs, they'd have to get involved, spend time, care a little...
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Yeah but that doesn’t tell you who’s pushing for a curriculum, how it will be taught, where the curriculum is coming from, who in the office is supporting it, you won’t get references to non public meetings and what was discussed there. Etc
 
Napoleon said:
It means that all documents pertaining to educational material should be publicly available.
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All documents? Publicly available?
Apparently school boards need to spend some budget on a person who will deal with public entitlement.
 
JRTurner said:
Wow. They are totally reenacting 1984.

No teacher in their right minds would want to remain a teacher if their worst critics were given access to their discussions amongst each other. And for what purpose? Even if they said something simple, like, "Hey, I like what Trump/Biden did on X"--the next thing you know, they want that teacher 'cancelled' and removed from her job for indoctrinating children with political speech.

This is very ugly.
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It’s standard investigative technique. It used to be normal for investigative journalists to review such information.

This is why government employees are required to use government email and keep records, and why memos and regulations are supposed to be saved for a certain amount of time.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah but that doesn’t tell you who’s pushing for a curriculum, how it will be taught, where the curriculum is coming from, who in the office is supporting it, you won’t get references to non public meetings and what was discussed there. Etc
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Yeah, better when the loudest voice in the meeting decides the curriculum
 
Grand Mal said:
All documents? Publicly available?
Apparently school boards need to spend some budget on a person who will deal with public entitlement.
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It is in fact public entitlement in the sense that the law entitles the public to view such documents and government agencies are required to have designated staff whos job duties include compliance with such requests
 
Grand Mal said:
If I was in charge of a school district getting spammed like that I'd hire a 'public liaison officer',
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Yeah, that’s how this works
Grand Mal said:
give them a phone with an answering machine saying, "Leave a message and we'll get back to you in order." and bill the county for their wages, every payday.
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Lol you mean like a “tax”?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
It is in fact public entitlement in the sense that the law entitles the public to view such documents and government agencies are required to have designated staff whos job duties include compliance with such requests
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Is a school board a government agency?
Why do you guys need to complicate everything? Look at the list of PISA scores and copy what the top ten do. You're not reinventing the wheel. And you're not doing an adequate job. You're failing, in fact, to educate your children and if you want to blame teachers unions or liberal policies you're going to continue to fail. You will continue to fail until you decide to try to attract top people to your educational system.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah, that’s how this works

Lol you mean like a “tax”?
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Yeah, like a tax. Your aversion to taxes is a big reason why you get shitty service from your government agencies.
 
The right has always despised education. Not just because they're stupid and mean-spirited, but because an education for anyone but the rich goes against their core beliefs.
 
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