School punishment

[tshade]

It's a way to elevate them over lower enlisted and give them authority over them.

there you go.........

 

[armycowboy]

there you go.........

"There I go" what? You honestly have no idea how the military works and you honestly have no idea how badly you're embarrassing yourself in front of people who actually served. Please stop doubling down on ignorant posts.

 

[MaryJoLisa]

This is such a very complex question!

I don’t think corporal punishment should be an option for the school system with or without parent consent. But yeah, let’s run with this and imagine a scenario where Little Johnny (age 13), attends a typical middle school in a state that had prohibited CP and now adopts CP without parental consent. Teachers and staff are untrained and unfamiliar with the protocol around using such an extreme means of discipline. The school is probably not going to rely on it as the first line of defense in student discipline. Likely, kids will receive a warning, detention, and parents receive a call.

Scenario 1: Mom and dad have strong enough parenting skills to correct Johnny’s behavior before it escalates further. Johnny does other knuckle-head things throughout the school year, but the teachers see that mom and dad have it under control and CP is never needed.

Scenario 2: Mom and dad’s parenting skills are insufficient, and the school needs to do the job. In a misguided sort of way, proponents of bringing back CP are trying to empower schools to stand in for mom and dad.

Often, the school’s hands are tied when they can see very plainly that a child needs additional resources like alternative learning environments, a monitor to supervise the child, or behavior counseling.

…I’m thinking about the cost difference between beating some kid’s backside or pulling them from the classroom to provide them with support services and I'm wondering if cost would be a factor for policymakers.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Sorry. Not the same, and I cannot believe you think it is.

It is the same at the core: who has control over your kids' education, the parents or the teachers.

You're just evading because you don't know how to approach my point.

At least answer this: are you okay with a teacher that you don't really know applying corporal punishment to your kid (or pretend you have a kid if you don't actually have one)? Forget my point, how do you feel about a teacher you may or may not know striking your kid?

 

[forn]

The teacher or school administrator that struck my child had best keep their head on a swivel.

You touch my kid, you better join witness protection.

This is the whole problem with kids behavior these days.

 

[Serenity]

Yes, and yes. The first, mostly because. The second because I am gutted. YNWA.

I hear you. Hugs.

I've been a Liverpool fan my whole life. Heartbreaking.

RIP Jota. YNWA.

 

[Loulit01]

I never hit my kid. Somebody else is going to do it? No.

 

[Loulit01]

When you have 30 kids to deal with you have little time for that. Kids have to respect the person in charge. Nothing wrong with being afraid to misbehave.........FEAR works.

If you teach kids to behave through fear, what happens when the fear is gone? When no one's looking there's no fear.

 

[The Brad Dad]

This is the whole problem with kids behavior these days.

That grown men want other adults to hit children?

 

[BirdinHand]

If you teach kids to behave through fear, what happens when the fear is gone? When no one's looking there's no fear.

Bingo.

 

[roguenuke]

Like I said we need some deterrnt. If not corporal punishment, what is your solution?

Taking time to talk to the kids, looking at their situations as individuals, assessing them as individuals, working their education plans out as individual students rather than cookie cutter future workers.

 

[roguenuke]

This is such a very complex question!

I don’t think corporal punishment should be an option for the school system with or without parent consent. But yeah, let’s run with this and imagine a scenario where Little Johnny (age 13), attends a typical middle school in a state that had prohibited CP and now adopts CP without parental consent. Teachers and staff are untrained and unfamiliar with the protocol around using such an extreme means of discipline. The school is probably not going to rely on it as the first line of defense in student discipline. Likely, kids will receive a warning, detention, and parents receive a call.

Scenario 1: Mom and dad have strong enough parenting skills to correct Johnny’s behavior before it escalates further. Johnny does other knuckle-head things throughout the school year, but the teachers see that mom and dad have it under control and CP is never needed.

Scenario 2: Mom and dad’s parenting skills are insufficient, and the school needs to do the job. In a misguided sort of way, proponents of bringing back CP are trying to empower schools to stand in for mom and dad.

Often, the school’s hands are tied when they can see very plainly that a child needs additional resources like alternative learning environments, a monitor to supervise the child, or behavior counseling.

…I’m thinking about the cost difference between beating some kid’s backside or pulling them from the classroom to provide them with support services and I'm wondering if cost would be a factor for policymakers.

A spanking would never work to correct any behavior, even in the immediate for a 13 year old. You almost certainly would be causing major trauma, especially for someone who is just reaching adolescence or in the middle of puberty and using assault as an attempt to control their behavior.

Schools should have actual, trained school counselors. They shouldn't be able to shirk that responsibility to religious people or untrained personnel who may have anger issues.

I don't care about the cost difference, especially when we have evidence that corporal punishment causes longterm harm to a person, to their personality, their temper, who they are. If I was the parent of the student you describe, I'd sue the school system as far up as I could, make them all reevaluate such a decision, particularly based on the latest SCOTUS decision saying that parents could opt out of simply having a book read to their kids.

 

[tshade]

If you teach kids to behave through fear, what happens when the fear is gone? When no one's looking there's no fear.

Parent's job-----

 

[Loulit01]

Parent's job-----

Parents and teachers watched you all day, every day? Please.