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The lists of those with photo IDs is being compared to a list of REGISTERED VOTERS. So you can safely assume 400,000 or so in Texas vote at least occasionally and don't have the ID required by the new rules.
And it's true that the vast majority of people, including the urban poor, do have the required ID. But in a state like Texas with 26 million people, about 8 million voted in the 2012 election, probably 12-15 million registered, it's not hard to get to 3 or 4% without the required ID.
Enough that it would be prohibitively expensive to supply them with a picture ID.
If there really are so many voters who live from day to day paying cash for everything, depending on public transportation, depending on low wage jobs or public welfare (don't they need ID for that?) then it seems to me we would do them a huge favor to provide them with picture ID. Maybe they could open bank accounts and not depend on the usurer who cashes checks. Perhaps, when they get run over on the street, the health care providers would actually know who they were. Missing people would be easier to find.
If there really are 600,000 eligible voters in Texas who don't have ID, and if 10% of them vote (which is a big if), then that's 60,000 IDs that would be needed at say, $5 each for a total of $300,000. Surely, a wealthy state like Texas could afford that.
Then that 3 or 4% are not meeting their obligations as citizens.
It is my understanding, that facilities have been put in place to issues voter ID, in every county in Texas.
It will be interesting to see how many id's are actually issued.
NO, ZERO, NADA, NONE evidence that impersonation fraud at the polls rises above trivial.
I guess you just aren't willing to ensure secure elections while also ensuring people aren't disenfranchised. :shrug:
They were before the GOP decided that being a citizen required one of just a few forms of Photo ID. I doubt if you go out and get ID because it's fun or you'd just like to have another form of ID. Why would a poor person spend time and money for an ID he or she doesn't need in their daily life?
They were before the GOP decided that being a citizen required one of just a few forms of Photo ID. I doubt if you go out and get ID because it's fun or you'd just like to have another form of ID. Why would a poor person spend time and money for an ID he or she doesn't need in their daily life?
How many of those urban poor riding around in busses, living hand to mouth, and paying cash for everything actually vote?
The truth is every legally registered voter already has valid ID. The alternative is that they don't cash checks or pay with checks, and they do not drive. They just stay at home and live like hermits.
Greetings, Dittohead not! :2wave:
IMO, this would have resonated more if they had saved this effort for the 2016 presidential election, since an awful lot of people don't bother to vote in the midterms. Maybe this time will be different, since you practically have your choice of things to be angry about - immigration; ACA; hostilities all over the planet; Ebola; various scandals; and several others. Probably not though - the average person on the street just isn't interested, since they feel they can't do anything about it anyway! :shrug:
According to JasperL, there are a lot of people living that way. If he's right, then it would seem to me to be worthwhile to help them and encourage them to get a proper ID.
Just being able to open a checking account instead of going to the check cashing place would save them a lot of money, no doubt more than they would be out of pocket for a birth certificate and so on.
So, wouldn't getting an ID be an advantage to the urban poor, even if, as is being claimed, voter fraud is minimal?
Edit: and don't they need a picture ID if they get food stamps or Medicaid? We're talking about the poor here, aren't we?
Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce new voter ID law for November election | Fox News
Again, TX gets it right. Liberals aren't going to steal an election in TX by having the dead vote
Yeah the Justice Dept and Holder are a bit miffed. Automatically they came back with 600k will be affected by this. Then thru in race saying the majority would be Hispanics and Blacks.
I am even for giving them Free IDs.....as then it leaves the left with no excuses whatsoever. Ginsberg dissented and left remarks. Hopefully people from the Right will respond back to her and give her some things to think about.....while she prepares for Pasture.....and then becoming irrelevant for the rest of her days. As it is written....let it be so!
Congrats Texas!
Good evening to you, Jack! :2wave:
How goes things on a scale of 1-10? :mrgreen:
The truth is every legally registered voter already has valid ID. The alternative is that they don't cash checks or pay with checks, and they do not drive. They just stay at home and live like hermits.
Why is this a partisan issue at all ?
Lobs should be 100 percent behind Texas's law.
I can only think of one good reason why they would oppose it and its has nothing to do with the BS manufactured narrative of " voter suppression ".
About an 8 right now. You?
Looking at about a 7.5 overall. :shrug: "We journalists make it a point to know very little about an extremely wide variety of topics; this is how we stay objective." --Dave Barry
In order to meet his/her obligations as a citizen. It's like paying your taxes or setting out your trash. I need an ID to board a flight; voting is more important than that.
You're fond of making assertions that are just contrary to ALL the evidence. It's a bizarre thing to read, really. Just a complete disregard for facts....
For the record, the best data I've seen is there are about 203 million have a drivers license, about 235 million over 18, so more than 32 million do not drive. And you don't need a photo ID or a bank account to cash checks, and lots of people don't pay with checks, which is why if you go to, say, a utility company around the end of the month, there's a long line of people there to pay in CASH, and landlords accept cash, so does Walmart, etc. But nice try!
Why is this a partisan issue at all ?
Lobs should be 100 percent behind Texas's law.
I can only think of one good reason why they would oppose it and its has nothing to do with the BS manufactured narrative of " voter suppression ".
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