Satanic Temple asks Boston to fly flag after court ruling

[Somerville]

Missed this news story by a day - so no Breaking News! This is one of those stories that fits in both Church and State and Free Speech.

Satanic Temple asks Boston to fly flag after court ruling ​

The Satanic Temple is requesting to fly a flag over Boston City Hall after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled this week that the city violated the free speech rights of a conservative activist seeking to fly a Christian flag outside the downtown building.

The Salem-based group tweeted a request filed Tuesday with the city property management department to raise a flag marking “Satanic Appreciation Week” from July 23-29.

Mayor Michelle Wu’s office declined to comment on the group’s request other than to say it’s reviewing the high court’s decision while also evaluating its flag-raising program.

Lucien Greaves, the organization’s co-founder, said in an email Wednesday that the group wants to show that religious liberty must mean respect for “all forms” of religious practice and religious opinion.

“When government officials are able to impose arbitrary restrictions on claims of conscience, or to abridge the civic capacities of some based on their religious identity, we fail to be a free, democratic republic,” he wrote in part.

Here's the 'fun' part of the request, at least I think so

The Satanic Temple is separate from the Church of Satan, which was founded in the 1960s. Founded in 2013, the Satanic Temple doesn’t believe in Satan and describes itself as a “non-theistic religious organization” that advocates for secularism.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Ugh, times like this is where I really hate the vague language of the constitution. I guarantee that every founding father would have Satanist executed but because they were too vague and pessimistic about the Constitution, and now were in this mess

 

[Loulit01]

Ugh, times like this is where I really hate the vague language of the constitution. I guarantee that every founding father would have Satanist executed but because they were too vague and pessimistic about the Constitution were in this mess

We're in this mess because some religious zealots want to insert themselves in government. If some Christians hadn't insisted Boston fly their flag the Satan idiots wouldn't be doing the same. The Founding Fathers wanted a wall between church and state and that's one wall that makes sense.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Missed this news story by a day - so no Breaking News! This is one of those stories that fits in both Church and State and Free Speech.



Here's the 'fun' part of the request, at least I think so

Pretty much gotta fly it. Goose and gander and all that crap.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

We're in this mess because some religious zealots want to insert themselves in government. If some Christians hadn't insisted Boston fly their flag the Satan idiots wouldn't be doing the same. The Founding Fathers wanted a wall between church and state and that's one wall that makes sense.

Easy guy, those aren't really satanists. They're tweakling the collective religious whack-job's metaphorical nose.

 

[TypicalRussian]

We're in this mess because some religious zealots want to insert themselves in government. If some Christians hadn't insisted Boston fly their flag the Satan idiots wouldn't be doing the same. The Founding Fathers wanted a wall between church and state and that's one wall that makes sense.

Only Jefferson said church and state because he was a deistic liberal. Don't lie, because every satanist would have been burned alive in the colonial era

 

[Loulit01]

Only Jefferson said church and state because he was a deistic liberal. Don't lie, because every satanist would have been burned alive in the colonial era

Only Jefferson and the 1st Amendment. Yes, every Satanist would have been burned alive because Christians are those people who behave the least like Christ. Hanging witches wasn't enough for you? Go live in Vatican City. Our Constitution is too much for you.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Only Jefferson and the 1st Amendment. Yes, every Satanist would have been burned alive because Christians are those people who behave the least like Christ. Hanging witches wasn't enough for you? Go live in Vatican City. Our Constitution is too much for you.

if only the fathers knew...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Missed this news story by a day - so no Breaking News! This is one of those stories that fits in both Church and State and Free Speech.



Here's the 'fun' part of the request, at least I think so

The easy answer is, no. Christianity is good and should be promoted, satanism is evil and should be suppressed with criminal penalties

 

[Loulit01]

The easy answer is, no. Christianity is good and should be promoted, satanism is evil and should be suppressed with criminal penalties

Would you like to repeal the rest of the 1st Amendment while you're at it? Freedom of speech is porn. Freedom of the press is fake news. Freedom to assemble is a riot.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Would you like to repeal the rest of the 1st Amendment while you're at it?

No, my position is fully compliant with the first amendment as understood by those who wrote it

Freedom of speech is porn.

No, it’s not. In fact that argument has been rejected by courts, speech which is obscene can be banned

Freedom of the press is fake news.

The press is not relevant in this discussion

Freedom to assemble is a riot.

Is this 1984? Freedom is slavery?

 

[Somerville]

The easy answer is, no. Christianity is good and should be promoted, satanism is evil and should be suppressed with criminal penalties

Christianity as preached by that Jesus guy was good. Sadly, it was erased from the history books by the end of the 5th or 6th centuries.

You also appear to have some issues with either reading, or failing to comprehend, words that are understandable to most 12-year-olds. Maybe bold letters will help.

The Satanic Temple is separate from the Church of Satan, which was founded in the 1960s. Founded in 2013, the Satanic Temple doesn’t believe in Satan and describes itself as a “non-theistic religious organization” that advocates for secularism.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Like all freedoms, if it doesn't count for things you dislike and/or hate it doesn't apply to everyone and that isn't freedom.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Christianity as preached by that Jesus guy was good. Sadly, it was erased from the history books by the end of the 5th or 6th centuries.

No it wasn’t.

You also appear to have some issues with either reading, or failing to comprehend, words that are understandable to most 12-year-olds. Maybe bold letters will help.

The Satanic Temple is separate from the Church of Satan, which was founded in the 1960s. Founded in 2013, the Satanic Temple doesn’t believe in Satan and describes itself as a “non-theistic religious organization” that advocates for secularism.

Ok, then they’re atheistic, which should not be publicly promoted either, and they should have to change their name. To avoid suppression

 

[Somerville]

Christianity as preached by that Jesus guy was good. Sadly, it was erased from the history books by the end of the 5th or 6th centuries.

EMNofSeattle:
No it wasn’t.

You also appear to have some issues with either reading, or failing to comprehend, words that are understandable to most 12-year-olds. Maybe bold letters will help.

The Satanic Temple is separate from the Church of Satan, which was founded in the 1960s. Founded in 2013, the Satanic Temple doesn’t believe in Satan and describes itself as a “non-theistic religious organization” that advocates for secularism.

Ok, then they’re atheistic, which should not be publicly promoted either, and they should have to change their name. To avoid suppression

"To avoid suppression."??

Your words seem to show that you personally believe in a Christian theocracy, an authoritarian government run by 'good', white Christian men. Am I wrong?

 

[Questerr]

No, my position is fully compliant with the first amendment as understood by those who wrote it

No, it’s not. In fact that argument has been rejected by courts, speech which is obscene can be banned

The press is not relevant in this discussion

Is this 1984? Freedom is slavery?

Those who wrote the Constitution would have banned your beloved Catholic Church as “Popery and the Whore of Rome” if your position on the 1st Amendment was actually correct.

 

[Jason Warfield]

The easy answer is, no. Christianity is good and should be promoted, satanism is evil and should be suppressed with criminal penalties

Which version of Christianity?

 

[Argent]

Establishment clause. Doesn't matter whether it's Christian, Islam, Satanic Temple or Church of Satan. Fly one, you gotta fly them all.

 

[Jason Warfield]

Only Jefferson said church and state because he was a deistic liberal. Don't lie, because every satanist would have been burned alive in the colonial era

The Witchcraft Act of 1735 did away with burnings and witch hunts given that Parliment, in discussion, basically said witchcraft doesn't exist. That was 41 years prior to the Revolution. The last burning of a so-called witch was in 1730.

The Founders were steeped in law and so most likely had the same attitude towards this as Parliment did: it didn't exist, it isn't a thing, repeal the stupid laws concerning it and move on with lives and stop torturing and killing innocent people.

So, no. The Founders would not have burned satanists at the stake.

You need to do better research on Jefferson' separation of church and state. In the Danbury letters, he simply used the wall as a metaphor for the First Amendment and used it to explain government policy on the subject. Do not forget that the issue was that one Christian church was smaller and had weaker voting power then a neighboring Christian church who was able to influence laws by having a larger congregation. The smaller church wanted Jefferson to use the power of the federal government to limit the voting rights of the larger church so that the smaller church could advance their own political agenda.

Jefferson's deism has nothing to do with his decision to not intervene. He used the idea of separation of church and state as an example of First Amendment policy to not support one religion over another. In this case, not to choose one form of Christianity over another form of Christianity.

Think before you post.

 

[Crunchtime]

Only Jefferson and the 1st Amendment. Yes, every Satanist would have been burned alive because Christians are those people who behave the least like Christ. Hanging witches wasn't enough for you? Go live in Vatican City. Our Constitution is too much for you.

Do you know any Christians? Where do you people get this stuff? Opinions like you are espousing are truly tragic. Why would you say such things?

 

[TypicalRussian]

The Witchcraft Act of 1735 did away with burnings and witch hunts given that Parliment, in discussion, basically said witchcraft doesn't exist. That was 41 years prior to the Revolution. The last burning of a so-called witch was in 1730.

The Founders were steeped in law and so most likely had the same attitude towards this as Parliment did: it didn't exist, it isn't a thing, repeal the stupid laws concerning it and move on with lives and stop torturing and killing innocent people.

So, no. The Founders would not have burned satanists at the stake.

You need to do better research on Jefferson' separation of church and state. In the Danbury letters, he simply used the wall as a metaphor for the First Amendment and used it to explain government policy on the subject. Do not forget that the issue was that one Christian church was smaller and had weaker voting power then a neighboring Christian church who was able to influence laws by having a larger congregation. The smaller church wanted Jefferson to use the power of the federal government to limit the voting rights of the larger church so that the smaller church could advance their own political agenda.

Jefferson's deism has nothing to do with his decision to not intervene. He used the idea of separation of church and state as an example of First Amendment policy to not support one religion over another. In this case, not to choose one form of Christianity over another form of Christianity.

Think before you post.

do you think the fathers would have allowed satanists to fly their flag?

 

[Gordy327]

The easy answer is, no. Christianity is good and should be promoted, satanism is evil and should be suppressed with criminal penalties

Too bad for you all religions or non-religion are to be treated equally under the law.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Only Jefferson said church and state because he was a deistic liberal. Don't lie, because every satanist would have been burned alive in the colonial era

The talibornagains keep chipping at the wall between church and state, and the "satanists" highlight the fact.

 

[Manc Skipper]

do you think the fathers would have allowed satanists to fly their flag?

Irrelevant. The law says equal rights. You're not in Putin country yet.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Only Jefferson said church and state because he was a deistic liberal. Don't lie, because every satanist would have been burned alive in the colonial era

And women would have few rights, and blacks would be slaves. It wasn't star spangled awesome in colonial times, no need to romanticize them.