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Sarah Palin, a mistake?

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McCain touted her fight against corruption, she did too in the speech held today.

However..

Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired: Walt Monegan | adn.com

Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday revealed an audio recording that shows an aide pressuring the Public Safety Department to fire a state trooper embroiled in a custody battle with her sister.

So I am guessing she is fighting corruption she is not involved in?

Or how about Ted Stevens.

He endorsed her..... supposedly one of the most corrupt people in Alaska endorses you...

And then later she refused to call for his resignation

Palin not ready to call for resignation: Politics | adn.com

Another ups. So much for integrity

Wonder what else she is hiding.
 
I am holding out hope he will change his mind and pick Michael Palin instead
 
I think this pick will solidify the conservative base where they hate McCain. She is pro-life, anti gay marriage and she seems likeable. I just cant see her winning over independents and democrat women as much.
However the "not enough experience" thing has reached a dead end now.

Gonna be a close race.
 
The choice of Palin is a mixed bag for McCain.

1) Palin is very much against abortion, so now McCain can say "Look who I picked", and that will help galvanize evangelicals.

2) This pick does take one issue off the table. McCain can no longer say that Obama is not ready, after picking Palin. Palin also does not have the experience McCain claims is needed to be president (in fact, Palin has even less experience than Obama), and at McCain's age, his VP stands a very good chance of becoming president sometime in the next 4 years.

Is Palin ready to lead? I think so, just as I think Obama would be ready too.

This is a non-issue now. McCain's biggest claim against Obama is now dead.

3) Biden is going to eat her alive in the VP debate.

4) Troopergate is a big issue in Alaska, and Palin is being investigated.

5) Palin is a woman, and might attract a few of Hillary Clinton's supporters. Even a few more votes, in a close election, could make the difference. McCain is hoping that PUMA is real.
 
If that's all the dirt, she's golden.
 
McCain touted her fight against corruption, she did too in the speech held today.

However..

Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired: Walt Monegan | adn.com



So I am guessing she is fighting corruption she is not involved in?

Or how about Ted Stevens.

He endorsed her..... supposedly one of the most corrupt people in Alaska endorses you...

And then later she refused to call for his resignation

Palin not ready to call for resignation: Politics | adn.com

Another ups. So much for integrity

Wonder what else she is hiding.
I gotta ask this Petey, just because I do. Has a conservative ever done anything to meet with your approval? There is dirt on Obama a mile long and I have yet to see you post one negative story about him. I have yet to see you post one negative story about Biden. Are you that dishonest or does it not fit your partisan agenda from the other side of the world?
 
I think one of the best things about her is she killed one of the most oft repeated examples of "wasteful spending" in recent times...the Bridge to No Where.

I also don't think it necessarily takes the experience issue off the table for a variety of reasons I've already stated in the thread in breaking news...primary of which is in general an experienced President is more important than an experienced Vice President, and second that she still has more experience pertinent to the actual job of the presidency than Obama has due to actually having served as an Executive Branch position.
 
I think one of the best things about her is she killed one of the most oft repeated examples of "wasteful spending" in recent times...the Bridge to No Where.

I also don't think it necessarily takes the experience issue off the table for a variety of reasons I've already stated in the thread in breaking news...primary of which is in general an experienced President is more important than an experienced Vice President, and second that she still has more experience pertinent to the actual job of the presidency than Obama has due to actually having served as an Executive Branch position.

The question is though why her?? Im sure there is more experienced conservative women out there. He picked a young one for a reason.
 
I couldn't be more amped over Mc Cain's pick.

I'm absolutely thrilled. I wasn't expecting it and now I'm suddenly excited about McCain's' campaign again.
 
I think a lot of it is political strategy I think...

One, the obvious. She's a woman and that does get him access to another sector of the population. Much like when Hillary was the front runner it was being talked about how independent and even republican women may be swayed to Hillary simply for the fact she's female, there's a chance independent and even democrat women may be swayed to the McCain ticket now.

Two, she's got a solid record on abortion and gay marriage. Her abortion one is helpful because its slightly more difficult to tell a woman she's just trying to be a man telling a woman what to do with their body. ;) Her gay marriage one helps sure that part up, while not being so extreme to possibly knock some independents away due to her history of backing rights for gay couples.

Third, the youth is a good compliment to McCain's age. Some may say it will make him look old, and I'd agree if it was a male. However I think an exuberant, attractive female will give some life to the ticket while he exudes a kind of elderly dignity.

Fourth, I think they're hoping that with an up and comer with little ties to government they can perhaps fight off some of the attacks that McCain's campaign is to tied to "washington".

Fifth, she's been touted as an up and comer in the Republican party and it may very well be that she had been making waves within the party prior to this and there's a lot of excitement about her behind the scenes that people outside of the heart of the party may just not have known about.
 
This will either help McCain a lot or be a complete bust. All she has to do is handle herself well in the debates and McCain's shot at winning is much higher. She should help him solitify the repuplicans who arn't sure about him yet. She's considered a reformist and stood up to the oil companies showing that she isn't politics as usual. This will help McCain's image a lot. This might be the bumb that McCain needed to win or it might turn into the bust that he didn't need.
 
I agree with the pundits who characterize the pick as high-risk/high reward.

I think it is a good pick. It's a loser on the "experience" thing, for sure, but I definitely think she appeals to the "soccer moms."
 
I think a lot of it is political strategy I think...

One, the obvious. She's a woman and that does get him access to another sector of the population. Much like when Hillary was the front runner it was being talked about how independent and even republican women may be swayed to Hillary simply for the fact she's female, there's a chance independent and even democrat women may be swayed to the McCain ticket now.

The Hilldogs will be turned off on the pro-life stance. They really will. They will have to gamble on McCain staying alive or not.
Two, she's got a solid record on abortion and gay marriage. Her abortion one is helpful because its slightly more difficult to tell a woman she's just trying to be a man telling a woman what to do with their body. ;) Her gay marriage one helps sure that part up, while not being so extreme to possibly knock some independents away due to her history of backing rights for gay couples.

The right-wing will cream their pants over her... on her policies and her face, thats a given. McCain is more likely to win over independents than Palin will though.
Third, the youth is a good compliment to McCain's age. Some may say it will make him look old, and I'd agree if it was a male. However I think an exuberant, attractive female will give some life to the ticket while he exudes a kind of elderly dignity.

Fourth, I think they're hoping that with an up and comer with little ties to government they can perhaps fight off some of the attacks that McCain's campaign is to tied to "washington".

Fifth, she's been touted as an up and comer in the Republican party and it may very well be that she had been making waves within the party prior to this and there's a lot of excitement about her behind the scenes that people outside of the heart of the party may just not have known about.

Good points, but I guess its too earlier to tell. Gonna be one hell of a race though, looking forward to it!!
 
I gotta ask this Petey, just because I do. Has a conservative ever done anything to meet with your approval? There is dirt on Obama a mile long and I have yet to see you post one negative story about him. I have yet to see you post one negative story about Biden. Are you that dishonest or does it not fit your partisan agenda from the other side of the world?

You claim "dirt" on Obama, and yet all I have seen is partisan smear with no foundation. May it be the attacks that he is elitist, a closet muslim or commie, terrorist back him, his friendship with a convicted criminal or 2, or other baseless attacks. Where are the personal favours done for backers? Where is the abuse of his office for personal gain? Has he been involved in any scandal that has cost the tax payers billions? Where are the 180 flip flops?

As for conservatives meeting my approval. Depends on the man or woman. To me people who are so conservative and let logic and common sense be triumphed by "conservative values"..(aka religious nut jobs views) do not deserve my respect or anyone's. And that has been the problem of the Republican party.

Conservatives rambling on about how bad homosexuals are, and yet hiding them among themselves and even defending them when they are caught with their hands down under aged children's pants. Or conservatives calling for the opposition to force their corrupt politicians to resign, and yet the same conservatives dont utter a peep when their own politicians refuse to resign. Why is Ted Stevens still part of the Republican party? If the Republican party is the party of justice and law and order, then kicking out corrupt politicians must be the least we can require. The Republican's touting freedom of speech and yet in some states trying to ban books.

The double standard and hypocrisy of the Republican party has tarnished the good name of conservative politics world wide.

Now this woman is still very "young" in our minds, which shows in what we know about her. She claims to fight corruption and yet is being investigated for it. She claims to hate corrupt politicians and have asked them to resign, and yet when it comes to Ted Stevens she says she cant. Now this is a troubling issue. Why cant she ask a man who is obviously corrupt, to step down? What does he have on her?

On the other hand she has gone against classic Republican conservative policies and actually allowed homosexuals the same rights as hetro marriages in her state. She is opposed to gay marriage, but not to allowing homosexuals the same legal rights as heterosexuals. Now that alone is a huge plus, but the question is how long she is allowed to have such a view. She also had gone against (for the most part) the Republican machine, by kicking out the previous Republican governor in Alaska and she survived it. That's something many who have tried before have not as we have seen in the present Republican administration.

Now this is early days, but its hardly a slam dunk pick.. plenty of negative issues and plenty of positive issues. We shall see, the next few days will be interesting.. lets see what the blogs and media can dig up.

But even her youthfulness can not change the fact that John McCain is too old and that she could very well be sitting in the oval office before the end of McCain's 4 year term. The age math is against McCain, and no amount of spin or attacks on people pointing it out, can change this fact. Is she ready to lead the US?
 
The Hilldogs will be turned off on the pro-life stance. They really will. They will have to gamble on McCain staying alive or not.

As long as she doesn't have a snuke in her snizz i'll be fine.

;)

No, but seriously, I think you're underestimating things a bit. Or more...I'm trying to base this off what was being told to us about "Hillary Clinton supporters".

We were told that Hillary wasn't just getting DEMOCRAT women or even Pro-Choice women, but she was going to pull moderate independents and even republican women away into her flock simply because she was a woman. That she was going to be able to pull Pro-Life women into her flock, despite her Pro-choice stance, simply because she was a woman.

IF that is true, then there's an equally likely chance that Palin, being a woman, is potentially able to pull in pro-choice independents and moderate democrats into McCain's camp simply by the notion that a Woman will be in the office.

I agree, its not like every woman is going to be running to her with open arms...but if the same standard applied to Hillary Clinton is applied here, there should be at least some swing.

The right-wing will cream their pants over her... on her policies and her face, thats a given. McCain is more likely to win over independents than Palin will though.

Oh, I agree. McCain is DEFINITELy more likely to win over independents. That's why I'm saying Palin helps him. His weaker spot is getting the conservative vote, which she will help him out on. However, her gay marriage stance isn't on the absolute extremist edge, which keeps it from hurting too much with independents.

Good points, but I guess its too earlier to tell. Gonna be one hell of a race though, looking forward to it!!

Yeah, the VP's here have really made this interesting. Biden helps Obama's lack of foreign experience, Palin helps the view of McCain as a career politician too attached to Washington. Biden is hardly a "change" from old, white, males while Palin is hardly miss "uber experience".

Its going to be an intriguing race.
 
As long as she doesn't have a snuke in her snizz i'll be fine.

;)

No, but seriously, I think you're underestimating things a bit. Or more...I'm trying to base this off what was being told to us about "Hillary Clinton supporters".

We were told that Hillary wasn't just getting DEMOCRAT women or even Pro-Choice women, but she was going to pull moderate independents and even republican women away into her flock simply because she was a woman. That she was going to be able to pull Pro-Life women into her flock, despite her Pro-choice stance, simply because she was a woman.

IF that is true, then there's an equally likely chance that Palin, being a woman, is potentially able to pull in pro-choice independents and moderate democrats into McCain's camp simply by the notion that a Woman will be in the office.

I agree, its not like every woman is going to be running to her with open arms...but if the same standard applied to Hillary Clinton is applied here, there should be at least some swing.



Republican women voting for Clinton had so much less to lose than Democrat women voting for Palin on the ticket though. If Clinton got in the white house, nothing would change for Republican women. Abortions are of course optional, so it doesnt affect them directly. Democrat women would have some much to lose if Roe vs Wade got overturned.
I think the swing will be very minimal to be honest. Its possible that the Palin veep situation may have even lost Clinton support defectees to McCain.



Oh, I agree. McCain is DEFINITELy more likely to win over independents. That's why I'm saying Palin helps him. His weaker spot is getting the conservative vote, which she will help him out on. However, her gay marriage stance isn't on the absolute extremist edge, which keeps it from hurting too much with independents.

I agree, her gay marriage credentials arent going to affect the race, maybe only in deep blue states and that doesnt matter.
 
I wanna say thanks for the great discussion here Gaza. Even though we're on different sides of the isle and even disagree on this the conversation has been a good back and forth, with both of us acknowledging the others stances and taking it into account in a respectful way. Been a refreshing thread :)
 
I couldn't be more amped over Mc Cain's pick.

I'm absolutely thrilled. I wasn't expecting it and now I'm suddenly excited about McCain's' campaign again.

Thats very worriesome being you were one of those disaffected Hillary supporters McCain so wanted...
 
I gotta ask this Petey, just because I do. Has a conservative ever done anything to meet with your approval?
Though I'm not petey, but there have been things that conservatives done that I HIGHLY approve of.
As I understand it, conservatives such as Teddy Roosevelt were the first to adopt conservationist policies. The contract with America conservatives that were for fiscal spending I also highly agree with. The stringent and uncompromising position of personal freedoms and small government that leaves me alone with my personal choices, freedoms and liberties I also agree with.
 
Dear mods, there seem to be 5 different threads now all on Palin being the pick, running around posting are practically identical responses in different threads, how about a merge??
 
McCain touted her fight against corruption, she did too in the speech held today.

However..

Palin staff pushed to have trooper fired: Walt Monegan | adn.com



So I am guessing she is fighting corruption she is not involved in?

Or how about Ted Stevens.

He endorsed her..... supposedly one of the most corrupt people in Alaska endorses you...

And then later she refused to call for his resignation

Palin not ready to call for resignation: Politics | adn.com

Another ups. So much for integrity

Wonder what else she is hiding.

Bull****. The whole "scandal" centers around her having privileged communications with her husband.

Further, she was cleared in an investigation which she instigated. Also, the man in question was not fired for being in a custody battle with her sister. He was fired for being an abusive prick with no morals and making the department look bad. He was a lawsuit waiting to happen.

And as for Stevens, Palin instigated the hard look at his ties to the oil companies, namely VECO. She wasn't ready to call for his resignation because she wanted the investigation to be thoroughly completed. Sarah has been busting up the good ole boys club since day one and Stevens was the president of that club.

You need to keep your nose over there across the pond where it belongs, Petey. Or at least approach our politics with less agenda.
 
Dear mods, there seem to be 5 different threads now all on Palin being the pick, running around posting are practically identical responses in different threads, how about a merge??

How about we let all the buzz keep going. It seems to be what EVERYONE wants to talk about.

What's wrong, jfuh? Bothered Obama doesn't have the spotlight anymore? :lol:
 
How about we let all the buzz keep going. It seems to be what EVERYONE wants to talk about.

What's wrong, jfuh? Bothered Obama doesn't have the spotlight anymore? :lol:
Contrary to your suggestions, I'm not the least bit concerned. As an Obama supporter I couldn't be more ecstatic of McCain's selection of Palin.:mrgreen:

However I am rather a bit strained going around the multiple threads posting the same responses.
I don't see why a merge of the multiple threads about the exact same selection of Palin would be any less buzz worthy in a single thread.
Not to mention the fact that isn't it DP policy against multiple threads?
 
As has been mentioned on many TV networks this seems a high risk strategy. The Rep can now no longer use the "inexperience card". It just seems to me the most powerful nation in the world has a worrying choice to make, and i,m pretty bemused as to how it came down to "grandpa McCain" and Obama.

Paul.
 
Bull****. The whole "scandal" centers around her having privileged communications with her husband.

Further, she was cleared in an investigation which she instigated. Also, the man in question was not fired for being in a custody battle with her sister. He was fired for being an abusive prick with no morals and making the department look bad. He was a lawsuit waiting to happen.

According to this article, it is not over, she is going to be deposed in an investigation on this issue:

At issue is whether Palin, her administration or family improperly pressured Monegan to fire Alaska state trooper Michael Wooten, the ex-husband of Palin's sister, and whether Palin fired Monegan when that didn't happen. Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and Wooten are divorced but still battling in court over custody and visitation.

Palin will be deposed along with others in the governor's office and former administration officials, said state Sen. Hollis French, a Democrat and former state prosecutor from Anchorage who is serving as the project director for the investigation.


'Troopergate' inquiry lurks: Politics | adn.com
 
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