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Sandy Hook survivor Grace Fischer slams Vance's 'lock the doors' plan for school shooters

PeacefulWarrior said:
Lock the doors.

Lock the doors of the prisons. Put the Gun Nuts inside first though.

I'd support it.
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Locking the doors of a building doesnt always work because theirs been times where they have shot through it and gotten in.

With a jail atleast theirs cops guarding it and probably better doors.

Turning a school into a guarded fortress or prison would just make the kids not feel safe its a place of learning.

The fact that bullet proof back packs are even being sold is a disgrace people should just home school their kids because of the shootings.

Its a shame that you cant feel safe in a public school home school seems like a safer alternative.

The other thing is not every parent knows how to teach and wants free time for their kid so thats why they ship them off to school.

I know some home schools a teacher comes in so its not just all the parents.
 
memberya2 said:
Locking the doors of a building doesnt always work because theirs been times where they have shot through it and gotten in.

With a jail atleast theirs cops guarding it and probably better doors.

Turning a school into a guarded fortress or prison would just make the kids not feel safe its a place of learning.

The fact that bullet proof back packs are even being sold is a disgrace people should just home school their kids because of the shootings.
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memberya2 said:
Its a shame that you cant feel safe in a public school home school seems like a safer alternative.

The other thing is not every parent knows how to teach and wants free time for their kid so thats why they ship them off to school.

I know some home schools a teacher comes in so its not just all the parents.
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And the highlighted is the problem. You want to “feel safe”. Schools are objectively safe. Safer than riding the school bus. Safer than the chances of being hit by lightning. But since you are emotionally driven, you want to restrict people’s rights due to “feels””
 
Credence said:
“It’s not about making schools safer, because they should be a safe space already for children.
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what SHOULD be and what's reality are two different things. For 100 years public schools were exceptionally safe ... kids didn't kill other kids. Columbine changed that, sparking a fad

guns didn't change, schools didn't change ... the kids/people did

Credence said:
His solution is unacceptable,” she told ABC News. “It doesn’t make sense to make schools with stronger windows…I think we need to get more gun control.”
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so do nothing about the evil dangerous people, ignore them and take guns from legal, law abiding people who 99.99% don't do anything wrong ? THAT is unacceptable, attacking a Constitutional Right

now, what else wasn't mentioned was how violent schools have become - the kids/students have changed, the few evil/violent/bad kids? they're the problems




  • About 857,500 violent incidents and 479,500 nonviolent incidents were recorded by public schools in 2021-22.
  • Sixty-seven percent of public schools reported having at least one violent incident. Also, 59 percent reported having at least one non-violent incident.
  • About 71 percent of public high/secondary schools reported at least one incident of distribution, possession, or use of illegal drugs in 2021-22. This figure represented a drop when compared with 2017-18 (76 percent) and 2019-20 (77 percent).
  • The school crime and safety data for 2021-22 show a 1-point increase in public schools reporting at least one hate crime (3 percent), compared with 2 percent in the 2019-20 and 2017-18 school years.
  • Schools were also asked about factors that limited their efforts to reduce or prevent crime. The two factors most often reported as limiting these efforts “in a major way” were lack of or inadequate alternative placements or programs for disruptive students (30 percent) and inadequate funding (27 percent
 
JMB1911A1 said:
And the highlighted is the problem. You want to “feel safe”. Schools are objectively safe. Safer than riding the school bus. Safer than the chances of being hit by lightning. But since you are emotionally driven, you want to restrict people’s rights due to “feels””
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Guns are a crutch that some people carry because they want to "feel safe." They must be "emotionally driven" as well! ;)
 
poppopfox said:
Guns are a crutch that some people carry because they want to "feel safe." They must be "emotionally driven" as well! ;)
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That makes little sense. You're just trying to characterize them as cowards. Anticipating the possibility of violence and being prepared for it is nowhere near cowardice.

Do people carry fire extinguishers in their cars as a crutch to make them "feel safe"?

"Emotionally driven" is being so afraid they'll use their fire extinguishers as bludgeons that you never quit whining and grousing about them.
 
Teatime said:
It's not possible without first repealing the second amendment and don't think there's the political will to repeal the second amendment or we would have by now.

The majority of gun-involved homicide is suicide which is best addressed by making healthcare accessable, not by restricting guns. Remove guns and people just jump off buildings and bridges like in Japan.

Anti-gun people are welcome to be honest about their position, there's no need to hide behind victims.
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There can be no significant gun control, with the repeal of the 2nd Amendment

Until then, all gun control laws are merely half measures.
 
poppopfox said:
Guns are a crutch that some people carry because they want to "feel safe." They must be "emotionally driven" as well! ;)
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Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house?
 
Rich2018 said:
Because fire extinguishers are so analogous to guns.
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They can be analogous to preparedness for possible adverse circumstances. You have to look at context. If hunting rabbits was being discussed, it would not be a good analogy.
 
poppopfox said:
No. Do you carry around a cardiac defibrillator?

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I think they are fairly expensive compared to a fire extinguisher or a gun or a box of Band-Aids. We did always have one available on the job site.

Your objection amounts to the idea that if you aren't prepared for everything; it's silly to be prepared for anything.

Your objection is dismissed as being stupid.

Oh...and I sincerely hope you never need the fire extinguisher you don't have.
 
Rich2018 said:
Though not concealed :)
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The fire extinguisher in my boat is concealed. Our defib machine on the jobsite was concealed.

Did you have some sort of point?
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes
Well spotted.
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Then I have to agree. We're never going to set UK-style gun laws if for no other reason than the 2A will make all such laws fail legal challenge. The American anti-gun lobby knows that and so they go for winnable battles like capacity limits.

We can have background checks, safe storage laws, licensure, etc, but after all the hoops have been jumped through then IMO if you want to own a minigun then you have that right. I wish I could afford something like that but I'll settle for a reasonably priced military surplus assault rifle. My name is on a family gun trust and sometimes I take a toy out, but that's $50,000 slung on my back.
 
Teatime said:
Then I have to agree. We're never going to set UK-style gun laws if for no other reason than the 2A will make all such laws fail legal challenge. The American anti-gun lobby knows that and so they go for winnable battles like capacity limits.
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Did you mean: "We're never going to get UK-style gun laws" ?

No, the USA can never have similar gun laws to the UK, unless/until the 2nd Amendment is repealed.

Teatime said:
We can have background checks, safe storage laws, licensure, etc, but after all the hoops have been jumped through then IMO if you want to own a minigun then you have that right. I wish I could afford something like that but I'll settle for a reasonably priced military surplus assault rifle. My name is on a family gun trust and sometimes I take a toy out, but that's $50,000 slung on my back.
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All half measures unless/until the 2nd Amendment is repealed and we can get significant gun control laws.
 
Rich2018 said:
Did you mean: "We're never going to get UK-style gun laws" ?

No, the USA can never have similar gun laws to the UK, unless/until the 2nd Amendment is repealed.



All half measures unless/until the 2nd Amendment is repealed and we can get significant gun control laws.
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I don't even support the half measures. Every civilian on the planet has the right to military grade weapons of war. I hold this as a basic human right because noone kills more people than governments. The UK needs American-style gun laws, and the path to that begins with ending the monarchy, which is always a good thing as appointing political leaders based on genetic relation to the last leader has never been a stable form of succession since Rome.
 
Teatime said:
Every civilian on the planet has the right to military grade weapons of war.
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Absolutely they don't
The list of America's mass shootings is testament to the folly of that kind of thinking

I would ban all firearms, but authorize the national executive to exempt certain types of firearm. Such as:
All muzzle loaders
All single shot rifles
Double/Single barreled shotguns
Repeating shotguns (pump action, lever action etc) with a capacity of not more than 3
Firearms made before 1946

Teatime said:
I hold this as a basic human right because noone kills more people than governments.
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Well US police are more than a little trigger happy, but thankfully the USA (or any Western democracy) has never been subjected to that kind of government (outside of occupation during wartime that is)
We're in the USA, not Stalin's USSR or Mao's Cultural Revolution

Don't pretend that you are

And in any case if the USA was to turn into a tyranny, privately owned guns would do little to stop it.

Teatime said:
The UK needs American-style gun laws, and the path to that begins with ending the monarchy, which is always a good thing as appointing political leaders based on genetic relation to the last leader has never been a stable form of succession since Rome.
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LOL
Oddly enough the British people pass on that. The UK is a democracy and political parties generally eschew unpopular policies (witness the rapid retreat Thatcher made in face of the opposition to the "Poll Tax")
Yet since the last UK gun legislation in 1997, no mainstream UK political party has supported repealing the UK gun laws

I guess the British don't want the carnage that the 2nd Amendment comes with.
 
Rich2018 said:
Absolutely they don't
The list of America's mass shootings is testament to the folly of that kind of thinking

I would ban all firearms, but authorize the national executive to exempt certain types of firearm. Such as:
All muzzle loaders
All single shot rifles
Double/Single barreled shotguns
Repeating shotguns (pump action, lever action etc) with a capacity of not more than 3
Firearms made before 1946



Well US police are more than a little trigger happy, but thankfully the USA (or any Western democracy) has never been subjected to that kind of government (outside of occupation during wartime that is)
We're in the USA, not Stalin's USSR or Mao's Cultural Revolution

Don't pretend that you are

And in any case if the USA was to turn into a tyranny, privately owned guns would do little to stop it.



LOL
Oddly enough the British people pass on that. The UK is a democracy and political parties generally eschew unpopular policies (witness the rapid retreat Thatcher made in face of the opposition to the "Poll Tax")
Yet since the last UK gun legislation in 1997, no mainstream UK political party has supported repealing the UK gun laws

I guess the British don't want the carnage that the 2nd Amendment comes with.
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So your scheme includes banning bolt action rifles, lever action rifles, slide action rifles...but allowing machine guns, M1 carbines, etc.

Seems like you didn't put much thought into it. It doesn't even make sense by your Evil Guns premise.
 
RF667799 said:
So your scheme includes banning bolt action rifles, lever action rifles, slide action rifles...but allowing machine guns, M1 carbines, etc.

Seems like you didn't put much thought into it. It doesn't even make sense by your Evil Guns premise.
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He's a totalitarian supports dictatorships.
 
Rich2018 said:
Like the British government ?
Dictatorships like that ?
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More and more every day.

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This essentially is the UK government prosecuting thought crime so yes.
 
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