Samsung's solid state battery

[Allan]

Samsung has developed a solid state battery that could give a car a 600 mile range, charge to 80% in 9 minutes, and last 20 years.

These solid-state batteries are expected to be smaller, lighter, and safer than the lithium-ion batteries currently used in most electric vehicles. They hold significant potential to revolutionize the EV industry.

“All-solid-state batteries can enhance safety by replacing liquid components with solid ones. When used in the same pack size as existing products, they reduce weight and take up less space,” highlighted the company.

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

 

[ttwtt78640]

While encouraging and potentially promising, scaling up lab produced prototypes into larger, mass produced, finished products is often much more expensive and time consuming than originally predicted (projected?).

 

[Helix]

Seems like that's the direction it's going. I wonder if I'll ever own an electric vehicle.

 

[Rexedgar]

Seems like that's the direction it's going. I wonder if I'll ever own an electric vehicle.

Don’t take it near the ocean, if you do!

 

[Ishm]

Don’t take it neat the ocean,if you do!

True! Those electric sharks will probably sneak in for a free recharge and drain your battery while you're not looking.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Why is it EVs don't have solar panels covering the hood, trunk, and roof? In the Southwest, your car could be totally charged by the time you're off work.

 

[Ishm]

Samsung has developed a solid state battery that could give a car a 600 mile range, charge to 80% in 9 minutes, and last 20 years.

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

One of the debates I have on here from time to time with the luddites who say we can never replace fossil fuels is that we are only really a couple of decades into EV tech. and renewable tech in general. And even in those couple of decades, we are only maybe one decade into the period where early mass consumption has been driving seriously heavier investment into R&D. What that means is that there will be many layers of new tech development coming quite rapidly now. Solid state batteries being just one of those things. We are still closer to the bottom of the development curve on much of this stuff than we are to fully mature tech. That is unlike fossil fuel tech where we are nearer the end of the development curve than the beginning, which means new advances now are expensive and produce relatively small gains.

The history of technology development tells us that the problems we face with EV's today will be mostly gone in a decade, and consigned to forgotten history in 2 decades from now. Same with renewable energy in general, but the huge investment in existing fossil fuel infrastructure that was economically designed to last for many decades will prevent electrical grids from switching as fast as EV's might replace IC vehicles. Never underestimate how fast technology can be advanced once there is enough consumer demand to fund the R&D.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

One of the debates I have on here from time to time with the luddites who say we can never replace fossil fuels is that we are only really a couple of decades into EV tech. and renewable tech in general. And even in those couple of decades, we are only maybe one decade into the period where early mass consumption has been driving seriously heavier investment into R&D. What that means is that there will be many layers of new tech development coming quite rapidly now. Solid state batteries being just one of those things. We are still closer to the bottom of the development curve on much of this stuff than we are to fully mature tech. That is unlike fossil fuel tech where we are nearer the end of the development curve than the beginning, which means new advances now are expensive and produce relatively small gains.

The history of technology development tells us that the problems we face with EV's today will be mostly gone in a decade, and consigned to forgotten history in 2 decades from now. Same with renewable energy in general, but the huge investment in existing fossil fuel infrastructure that was economically designed to last for many decades will prevent electrical grids from switching as fast as EV's might replace IC vehicles. Never underestimate how fast technology can be advanced once there is enough consumer demand to fund the R&D.

I'm old enough to remember when we made the transition to lead-free gasoline. People lost their minds. Same thing when we switched AC coolants a few years back. I see it as the same thing with EVs. People don't like change.

My 90 year-old father-in-law is still pissed that he can't buy a car that doesn't have electric windows. "It's a scam, I tell ya! A scam!"

 

[The Mark]

Samsung has developed a solid state battery that could give a car a 600 mile range, charge to 80% in 9 minutes, and last 20 years.

Samsung’s 20-year-life EV battery runs 600 miles on 9-minute charge

Samsung's solid-state battery could be the game-changer EVs need, boasting a 600-mile range, 9-minute charging time, and 20-year lifespan.

interestingengineering.com

Very interesting.

Seems like that's the direction it's going. I wonder if I'll ever own an electric vehicle.

I personally am hoping that at some point you'll be able to have an electric vehicle that automatically recharges itself from solar panels on the roof, but I don't think that is currently reasonable, without it taking a really long time.
As in, leave your car outside in the sun for a week time, or something.

The idea of a fully self-contained and powered vehicle is very attractive though.

 

[Helix]

Very interesting.


I personally am hoping that at some point you'll be able to have an electric vehicle that automatically recharges itself from solar panels on the roof, but I don't think that is currently reasonable, without it taking a really long time.
As in, leave your car outside in the sun for a week time, or something.

The idea of a fully self-contained and powered vehicle is very attractive though.

Between the external and internal heat energy i have observed in my car when I get into it after a day of it sitting in the work lot, my guess is that it's enough to get back and forth to work and also to cook a nice dinner.

 

[Mr Person]

Don’t take it near the ocean, if you do!

****ing sharks, man.

 

[Lovebug]

While encouraging and potentially promising, scaling up lab produced prototypes into larger, mass produced, finished products is often much more expensive and time consuming than originally predicted (projected?).

Henry Ford started slowly at the time and look where we are now.
I dream of the day without loud engine noises. It probably won't happen during my lifetime but we'll get there.

 

[Cosmo]

Why is it EVs don't have solar panels covering the hood, trunk, and roof? In the Southwest, your car could be totally charged by the time you're off work.

Even if you put a 100W solar panel on the hood, a 100W solar panel on the roof, and a 100W solar panel on the trunk, that's still just producing 300W at peak, direct sunlight. A low end Tesla with a small battery has 74kWh. So it will take a 300W solar panel kit 247 hours of direct, full power sunlight to fully charge it. Now, solar intensity hours will vary from region to region, season to season, day to day, etc... But even if we take an optimistic 10 hours of 300W generation, it will probably take close to 25 days to fully charge. And this assumes the car is not parked under a roof or in a garage. And of course parking even next to a tall building is going to noticeably impact sunlight hitting the car.

I did some more math dividing the range of the battery and the only way it would work is if you have conditions like full sunlight parking and a daily commute of under 15 miles (preferably under 10). This is BOTH WAYS combined, so your workplace cannot be more than 5-7 miles away. Then you'll possibly break even on the charging. At that quantity of miles, you may as well use a bike to get to work.

 

[beefheart]

Why is it EVs don't have solar panels covering the hood, trunk, and roof? In the Southwest, your car could be totally charged by the time you're off work.

The latest Prius Prime has an option for that, but it really doesn't add much to the battery vs the cost for the upgrade.

 

[The Mark]

Between the external and internal heat energy i have observed in my car when I get into it after a day of it sitting in the work lot, my guess is that it's enough to get back and forth to work and also to cook a nice dinner.

The issue is that solar panels, and I'm talking about the new ones, are in the 20-25% efficiency range, so they'd only get about a quarter of that energy, if that.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Why is it EVs don't have solar panels covering the hood, trunk, and roof? In the Southwest, your car could be totally charged by the time you're off work.

I believe Fiskers did.
If I'm not mistaken, I think I read somewhere
that with the technology of solar panels such as it is now, you'd only be able to travel a few miles fron an hours worth of sunlight charging.

 

[Cosmo]

The issue is that solar panels, and I'm talking about the new ones, are in the 20-25% efficiency range, so they'd only get about a quarter of that energy, if that.

If they can make the solar panels curved and aerodynamic, as well as shock resistant to things like hail and road vibrations, and the person parked his car outside exclusively, then you could probably get enough power for someone with a 5 mile commute. But who is buying a $45,000 car to do that?

 

[marduc]

Why is it EVs don't have solar panels covering the hood, trunk, and roof? In the Southwest, your car could be totally charged by the time you're off work.

The Lightyear 1 was supposedly in development and was slated to be an affordable Solar powered EV but I think that their attempt to scale up from the exorbitantly expensive Lightyear 0 faltered.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I believe Fiskers did.
But with the technology of solar panels such as it is now, you'd only be able to travel a few miles fron an hours worth of sunlight charging.

Not ashamed to admit I know virtually nothing about EVs or the technology behind them.

Having said that, I also know that people are reluctant to change from what is familiar. I also know that first or second generation new technologies have a lot of shortcomings, and those shortcomings are eventually overcome.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

If they can make the solar panels curved and aerodynamic, as well as shock resistant to things like hail and road vibrations, and the person parked his car outside exclusively, then you could probably get enough power for someone with a 5 mile commute. But who is buying a $45,000 car to do that?

Well, the technology is advancing very rapidly.
Soon electric cars will have the range and viability that will even change the minds of naysayers such as yourself.
You can bet on it.

 

[marduc]

I believe Fiskers did.
If I'm not mistaken, I think I read somewhere
that with the technology of solar panels such as it is now, you'd only be able to travel a few miles fron an hours worth of sunlight charging.

But if you were to drive to work and park for 8 hours your commute is basically covered.. if your commute is semi local at least.

 

[Cosmo]

Well, the technology is advancing very rapidly.
Soon electric cars will have the range and viability that will even change the minds of naysayers such as yourself.
You can bet on it.

This is not a question of battery tech, but solar power. Teslas already have plenty of range for most people.

 

[The Mark]

If they can make the solar panels curved and aerodynamic, as well as shock resistant to things like hail and road vibrations, and the person parked his car outside exclusively, then you could probably get enough power for someone with a 5 mile commute. But who is buying a $45,000 car to do that?

Considering the weight involved, it's probably more efficient to have the solar panels stationary and charging a battery storage system that can then charge the vehicle.

Currently at least.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

Not ashamed to admit I know virtually nothing about EVs or the technology behind them.

Having said that, I also know that people are reluctant to change from what is familiar. I also know that first or second generation new technologies have a lot of shortcomings, and those shortcomings are eventually overcome.

Exactly.
Battery and solar technology is taking leaps and bounds.
The proliferation of electric cars does appear to be in our future.
Whether we like it or not.

 

[Crakhobarbie]

But if you were to drive to work and park for 8 hours your commute is basically covered.. if your commute is semi local at least.

Well that depends on how far your commute is.
But, yes.