Not conveniently, matter of fact. No mention of "it's for the family" even came up until recent years, after other arguments failed to push the agenda forward. It is exactly as Jerry pointed out.
Not conveniently, matter of fact. No mention of "it's for the family" even came up until recent years, after other arguments failed to push the agenda forward. It is exactly as Jerry pointed out.
So you agree with me there are other arguments, but you disagree with me that there are other arguments. Which is it? Hint: if people have used the "it's for the family" argument in recent years, then in fact people do use arguments other than fairness.
More like since technological advances of recent years LGBT people having families have increased, and thus that argument has more weight than it has in the past.
I agree, but it does not make it a marriage.
This is only true if you conveniently ignore every other argument.
It's true because every other argument is an attempt to play silly games just to get a vote. They're all dishonest. All of them. SSM is about validating the gay identity. That's it.
It's true because every other argument is an attempt to play silly games just to get a vote. They're all dishonest. All of them. SSM is about validating the gay identity. That's it.
More like since technological advances of recent years LGBT people having families have increased, and thus that argument has more weight than it has in the past.
Which is why it's used as the prime surrogate rational instead of being honest.
AS some one who makes those other arguments, I think I know my motivation better than you. You are wrong.
Lol because you say so, yeah right
AH yes, the "If you disagree with me you are lying" argument. Let us know how it works out for you.
Like your "if you disagree with me you're just wrong" argument :lol: Outstandingeace
You don't like me usurping your justification?
Actually, my argument has documentable evidence to support it, in that many of us have been using arguments other than fairness. Your argument is that you know we are lying because you know it.
All I care about is what is right and what is wrong. There is not one thread or post that I have ever seen that has given valid reasons as to why gay folks should be denied the right to consensually marry each other.
LMAO at two straight people that 1.5 are against gay rights telling a person, who is in fact homosexual, what THEY are fighting for.
That's brilliant, talk about blind dishonesty LOL no other factual proof is needed beyond those posts to see the obvious dishonesty. It you want to look though there's already plenty of support.:lamo
Please point out where anyone stated...
#1 They are against gay rights?
#2 Telling them what they are fighting for?
We were talking about the movement as a whole, not individuals, but thanks anyway.
So it takes only two people to represent and entire movement. Good to know.
Wow this is gonna be so easy, it always is when I deal in reality and the you deal in dishonesty and fantasy.
1. if you are against gay marriage you are against gay rights PERIOD doesnt work any other way.
2. you said and I quote "As for the rest you can think what you like, it does not change the reality that it has nothing at all to do with family."
this is you telling redress what she thinks and in other places she was told she was wrong or dishonest or it didn't matter LMAO :lamo
she IS the gay movement along with all on her side genius, so what she and others think very much matters. What doesnt matter is what YOU think because you are against it, so the decision isnt your to make nor can you. That might be the dumbest and most uneducated ignorant statement Ive read in a long time on this subject.
Thats very funny and dishonest that some how YOU know and speak for all gays and their motives LMAO Also you attempting to backpedal and say you were talking about the movement also doesn't fly because the individuals make up the movement. Do you get some movement news letter or something that told you what the movement is about? LMAO You know how moronic that statement was and it is to make such a dishonest ridiculous claim, it will not work
Nope never said that, never implied that nor does it matter just more back pedaling and deflection by you. LMAO :sinking:
ad-homonyms are not an argument.
I am not against gays having all the same rights as married couples, neither is Jerry and we have both in this thread stated as much. I am against the redefining of marriage, period. So you can think what you like but it is not true.
didnt miss anything ,I focused on the where you told her IT DOESNT MATTER lol the nerve of you, you are not gay its not your decision PERIOD lol to think otherwise makes you look VERY foolishWhat part of "you can think what you like" are you missing?
She is one individual that makes up part of the movement. She is no more the movement than I am the civil rights movement. No one person represents the whole as we are all different.
Your rhetoric is not much better than blanket statements and assumptions.
I have had and do have many gay friends. So I am not speaking for anyones motives in particular. I am however pointing out an obvious motivation for members of the movement. I have also not said this is good or bad one way, but I don't agree with it.
I don't know who that is back peddling but you can think what you like.
I never said you did? Notice the lack of quotation marks. You did however imply that a single person or two IS the movement. You further qualified my assumption with your "she IS the gay movement along with all on her side." Inferring that because she is part of the movement, her opinion is somehow more valid? :lol:
I guess some times people just won't agree.
No, SSM is argued for the sake of equality. By that note abolishing all marriage makes everyone equal yet does not legally make people family, encourage people to provide a stable home for children, etc. It's all about validating the gay identity, nothing more.
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