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When it comes to the marriage of sound mind human consenting adults its a VERY valid reason lol
They think "it's non of your buisness" is a valid reason why we should support something.
There are tons of those, actually.
So does petting a cat.
It's not over the top if you try to get your religious definitions enforced by government. I don't care how you personally wish to define marriage. You can do it any ol' way your heart desires. But when you try to get that upheld through government force; then we're talking a different ball game. I'll respect your right to hold an opinion on what you think marriage should be. But you have no right to use government to enforce that definition.
Actually, evidence has shown that there are a lot of psychological benefits to praying. It reduces stress and protects against depression. It also gives an opportunity for self reflection.
True, but the point is that if people really got nothing out of praying then they probably wouldn't do it.
no one is having their actions in any way coerced or their freedom of movement or speech limited; there is no tyranny here.
the only entity having it's actions restrained is that of the State; which is being restrained by the people. which is how it should be.
True, but the point is that if people really got nothing out of praying then they probably wouldn't do it.
That is an ass backwards way of looking at it. Beacuse people are having their actions in a very definite way coerced, and ther freedoms removed. Notably gay people who want to marry. They have their right to contract infringed upon because a certain sect of "folk" think their religious definition of marriage should be enforced through government force.
gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.
all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.
It's not over the top if you try to get your religious definitions enforced by government.
I don't care how you personally wish to define marriage. You can do it any ol' way your heart desires. But when you try to get that upheld through government force; then we're talking a different ball game. I'll respect your right to hold an opinion on what you think marriage should be. But you have no right to use government to enforce that definition.
gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.
all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.
Actually it has been, you can deny that reality all you want but per the discussion it as been clearly debunked and your beliefs will never change that.
It can easily be argued hypocritical and anti-american among many other things that in fact makes it debunked for this discussion. LMAO
As an american citizen it is wrong to discriminate,thats another reason
I know its because of your beliefs and thats fine they are yours to have but I find it even more hypocritical of you since you are black. You essentially would vote and fight to discriminate against gays the same way racist tried to vote against blacks for different things including interracial marriage. I know you obviously dont care but I find that so sad and it makes me pray to MY god for you and people like you. I hope Im right and you are wrong so we BOTH get to where we want to go.
Why do you think it is only religious? I would be against it even if I was an atheist. That is just one reason. I see it as wrong for what ever reason.
Yes I do and people are. Live with it, it IS the American way.
Because the arguments thus far have been based on religion and that was what I was replying to. You are free to think anything you want is wrong. I think lots of stuff is wrong. But if those people are not infringing upon the rights of others, there is nothing you can rightfully do.
No, you don't have that right. You MUST use government force to enforce it. It's not something you rightfully have, the ability to tell people they cannot be married because you don't agree with it. Absolutely does not exist without the presence of FORCE. You must USE the government to make it so, you must infringe upon the rights of somebody to make it so. You innately do not have the rightful power to tell anyone else who they can or cannot marry. That is ridiculous to think that you could come and tell me I can't marry someone for whatever reason you can cook up. That's like saying I have the rightful and innate power to tell you you can't marry a blonde. The only way to make two people unable to legally wed is to use the force of government against the free exercise of their rights for as long as the Marriage License exist.
American way! Ha. In Red Dawn you'd be the enemy
I've noticed an interesting pattern with conservatives like you and NP. You guys say you support something until it actually comes up and then you keep moving the goal posts on it. For you, you "support" same sex marriage, but only if it is restricted to couples who have children.
That goal post strategy allows you to claim you support something that you actually don't support. It doesn't fool people though, so I don't know why you use it.
gay people have every right to marry. not a single one of their actions is restricted; they can have ceremonies, live, love, and grow old together; dying in each others' arms and being buried together as 'husband and husband' etc.
all they can't do is force the rest of us via government to issue them a marriage license.
According to the law I am well within my rights, thanks.
Ikari, no need for the tired old arguments about force etc. I have heard this all before.
Fact: I do have the right.
Fact: Gay marriage is not recognized by the Federal government or the vast majority of states.
Fact: Fight for what you want, I do.
Hmmm... That is so over the top it is almost sig worthy.
**** that. Praying is a pointless endevour, it gets you nothing. Action gets you places. I wouldn't be sitting around praying all the time, and my wife would be super sexy and wearing a miniskirt all the time. Hehehe
If it had, others would not disagree. It has not except in your mind.
It is absolutely American to support what you feel is right. What you try to say makes no sense at all looking at American history. Our country was born in revolution.
thats it change the words add more spin to it LMAOPlease show me the law that says a private American citizen cannot discriminate for whatever reason?
The government cannot discriminate, certain public businesses cannot discriminate. The average Joe on the street can discriminate all he or she likes for what ever reason.
I don't see it as a grey area like you. I also don't see race as sexuality etc, so that will not float. It does make a good strawman though.
Yep you want to discriminate, just like racists, they saw it as black or white and black is wrong or vice versa, thanks I get it LOLFact is I see it as black and white. It is either right or wrong, and this is wrong.
Good thing the revolutionary's who forged this nation also saw in black and white.
Brainwashed from childhood, you would be happy to send your children to hijack aircraft and fly them into the buildings of the infidel.
hahahahahahahahaha
ignorant asses?
"i" disgust you?
You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person thats wants you to be able to believe what you want but also wants others to have the same freedoms?
You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person that doesnt want fellow americans discriminated based on sexuality?
You mean the kind of ignorant ass or disgusting type person that believes in the freedoms of all americans including the "sinning homos"?
Wow :applaud
thanks buddy for showing me how to be a good "tolerant" american or was that you showing me how to be a good "tolerant" god believing person?
Ive never seen somebody with so much egg on their face and expose themselves so badly.disgusting indeed.
Man the nerve of a person like me looking out for my fellow americans :2rofll:
I am glad that you think that of me because that lets me know that im right, it lets me know that im for my fellow americans and that the people like you that are only out for themselves get upset and cry about it :d:laughat:
This actually makes me very happy and makes my day!
Thank you
When it comes to the marriage of sound mind human consenting adults its a VERY valid reason lol
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