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Saddams WMDs: The Smoking Gun

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and if this comes to fruition, will it actually change the minds of the opposition to the war? in foreign lands as well as at home?
I doubt it myself, but we shall see
 
I can't find anything on Google that remotely resembles what you've quoted. Can you please give a link?
 
http://www.intelligencesummit.org/news/JohnLoftus/JL010606.php

Because of the considerable historical importance of this stunning recent development, the contractor who obtained and reviewed these tapes plans to release them to the public on February 18, 2006 at the Intelligence Summitsm, a non-partisan, non-profit conference open to the public, scheduled to be held at the Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel in Arlington, Virginia that weekend.

After his presentation, a panel of intelligence experts will discuss the ways in which experts may verify the fact that Hussein in fact recorded these audiotapes. These procedures include utilization of voiceprint analysis and other technical means of voice verification.
(Good Lord willing) I'll go record it, photograph it and blog it for you guys.
 
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Lets assume that these tapes include:

-Saddam saying that he has WMDs
-Saddam saying that he intends on giving these WMDs to terrorists
-Saddam orders their removal to Syria

The liberal left will STILL oppose the war and STILL call GWB a liar.
 
This is very interesting, I wish I could attend that meeting, that would be excellent.
 
Thank you Simon. I shall stay tuned.....

Lets assume that these tapes include:

-Saddam saying that he has WMDs
-Saddam saying that he intends on giving these WMDs to terrorists
-Saddam orders their removal to Syria

The liberal left will STILL oppose the war and STILL call GWB a liar.
If the tapes contain those things, especially 1 and 2, I will gladly change my position.
 
I have always assumed that Hussein did have some quantity of some sort of WMD. I never thought he had none.
However, just because Hussein had WMD doesn't mean that it was in the US's interests to invade Iraq how we did.
 
DeeJayH said:
and if this comes to fruition, will it actually change the minds of the opposition to the war? in foreign lands as well as at home?
I doubt it myself, but we shall see
I can't waite to see what they do, or don't, say.

If these tapes do turn out to be a smoking gun, allot of crazy liberals are going to have egg on their face. I hope that these tapes are the smoking gun, not because I give a sh!t about Bush, but 1. I just want the liberals to shut the **** up for 5 seconds, and 2. it would make for a great Daily Show with John Stewart episode....to say nothing for political cartoons, JibJab....and, oh, Rush Limbugh. It's the stuff good entertainment is made of.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I have always assumed that Hussein did have some quantity of some sort of WMD. I never thought he had none.
However, just because Hussein had WMD doesn't mean that it was in the US's interests to invade Iraq how we did.
1. If he had WMDs that were purposefully hidden from UN inspectors, then he violated the 1991 ceace-fire aggreement, right?
2. If he planned to give WMDs to terrorists, then that's a much more pressing issue than "he's not letting the UN snoop around in his country," right?

I agree that the quantity of WMDs is a relavent question, as it directly relates to how much of a "threat" Hussein's Iraq actually was. But if he planned to give WMDs to terrorists, that's a pretty serious issue the way I see it.
 
Perhaps we don't have to wait to see what is said at this summit:

ABCNEWS PLANS AIRING OF SADDAM TAPES TONIGHT: Saddam talking with his advisors about hitting Washington with WMD, hiding weapons, etc... Developing...

and...

 
I've begun the registration process.

Anyone wanna chip in for the full package?
 
Any chance Vice President Cheney will mention the "Smoking-Gun" article in his televised interview on FoxNews tonight? Or even point to it as proof that the Bush administration was right all along?

No? None?

If not then I guess it wasn't important enough to bother with.

Just think, the news conference tonight would present the perfect opportunity for Cheney to tell the media and the world to kiss his *** because the Bush administration was right all along about Saddams "personal and confidential weapons of mass destruction" and the proof is in those tapes that will be revealed February 18, 2006 at the "Intelligence Summit".

I mean, here is Cheney's chance to scoop the "Intelligence Summit".
 


You mean, here's his chance to stoop to Democratic levels. I'll hold my applause if he does. I've been saying that there is more to the WMD issue than the public knows and I doubt all of it will be released at this time.
 

You're going to go? Rats, I am going out of town that day. Otherwise I would go both to see what the presentation shows and to see what Simon Moon looks like.
 
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You're going to go? Rats, I am going out of town that day. Otherwise I would go both to see what the presentation shows and to see what Simon Moon looks like.
I've not received verification of my registration yet, so who knows.

I'm frantically fishing for a sponsor/outlet to underwite the affair so I can go to the whole deal and maybe even get paid.
 
Binary_Digit said:
I can't find anything on Google that remotely resembles what you've quoted. Can you please give a link?

:3oops: how retarded am I:doh soz
 
The smoking gun was Saddam using WMD to commit genocide in front of the whole world.

The smoking gun was also the repeated expulsion of inspectors everytime they got close to the STILL UNACCOUNTED FOR remaining stockpiles of WMD.

It was also the invitation by Saddam to Bin Laden for safe haven in Iraq (from the 9/11 Commission report).

It was also Saddam's repeated public sponsoring of terrorists.

This tape can only reinforce the already obvious reality that Saddam was a threat, was linked to terror, and that he did have WMD. This tape will change nothing. It already requires such idiocy to look at all the evidence and deny that Saddam was an armed threat. More evidence won't convince people (liberals) who are unaffected by facts and who base their opinions on conspiracy theories.

Remember, this war was about oil, right? Or was it some Freudian need to finish his daddy's work? Or was it a plot to help his Saudi bed mates? Whatever Michael Moore and MoveOn say, right? :roll:

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
 

looking good for Bush
 
DeeJayH said:
and if this comes to fruition, will it actually change the minds of the opposition to the war? in foreign lands as well as at home?
I doubt it myself, but we shall see

Sorry, Dan, it won't change my mind about the "war". I just don't like seeing our young people dying in armed confrontation.
ted
 
aquapub said:
It already requires such idiocy to look at all the evidence and deny that Saddam was an armed threat. More evidence won't convince people (liberals) who are unaffected by facts and who base their opinions on conspiracy theories.
So someone who said "...Saddam Hussein was not the kind of extra-territorial menace that was assumed by the administration..." is obviously a liberal moonbat, right?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
So someone who said "...Saddam Hussein was not the kind of extra-territorial menace that was assumed by the administration..." is obviously a liberal moonbat, right?

Quite the contrary. Liberals haven't completely cornered the market on having the stunning capacity to look mountains of evidence in the face and draw the exact opposite conclusion based on nothing more than conspiracy theories.

There are a scant few among Republicans, but they are harder to locate.
 
Paladin said:
Sorry, Dan, it won't change my mind about the "war". I just don't like seeing our young people dying in armed confrontation.
ted

Even if it is to prevent our civilians dying in New York City streets?

At some point, one has to abandon the Jimmy Carter syndrome (i.e., peace at all cost, even if it causes war), and actually stand up to our enemies.
 
aquapub said:
Even if it is to prevent our civilians dying in New York City streets?

No. I supported Bush completely after 9/11. I applauded when he went into Afghanistan. I don't support his "war" initiatives against Iraq.

aquapub said:
At some point, one has to abandon the Jimmy Carter syndrome (i.e., peace at all cost, even if it causes war), and actually stand up to our enemies.

If it will keep my grandsons out of danger, sign me up. I don't like seeing young Americans die.
ted
 
Binary_Digit said:
I agree that the quantity of WMDs is a relavent question, as it directly relates to how much of a "threat" Hussein's Iraq actually was.

Actually it's not, it would have been very difficult for Saddam to maintain stocks of chemical or biologicals already made up and ready to go. His former chief of quality control said early on that the nerve gases they were able to produce were highly unstable and could not be stored for very lontg. Biologicals would be very hard to store in large quanities. But precursors and reference stocks could be maintained and hidden. And of these we know for a fact he had. Both the Kay and Duelfer reports confirm this along with his plans to continue research and developement. Duelfer also documented that his intelligence agency was developing delivery devices that looked like perfume bottles and other everyday items that could be supplied to terrorist to delever such weapons.

He was not only as dangerous as we believed he was much more so.

But if he planned to give WMDs to terrorists, that's a pretty serious issue the way I see it.

Every indication is that was one of his plans.
 
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