Ryan says he won't do public town halls citing concerns over possible protests

[Moderate Right]

Yeah, your way is to disenfranchise a voter who is not Republican. They are there to serve the people, all the people, not just those that voted for them
I am sure the Founding Fathers would lay waste to that type of hypocrisy and not be to polite about it.

Lastly- How can someone prove they voted for a certain candidate- will there be some sort of test and verification process? Tell me how??

In other words you admit that it is only the loud mouthed partisan liberals infiltrating the town halls who are complaining about it tor political purposes.

 

[JANFU]

If true, if the Republicans were so successful as you give them credit for between 2010-2016 why aren't they having the same success with the AHCA. I personally think the ACA was disliked on its merits which poll after poll done by Gallup has shown the ACA hurting approximately 30% of Americans and helping 18% or there about. The help and hurt figures are totally ignored by supporters of the ACA.

Polls have changed
Pick one.
https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=MrFGWdHWFozd8gfSjI_YDQ#q=pollls+on+ahca

AHCA: Poll Finds 21% Support for Republican Health Care Plan | Time.com
21 % like Rep HC

A reputable source from March -IMHO
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-tempting-fate-on-health-care/

House Republicans introduced their health care bill, the American Health Care Act, only two weeks ago. During that relatively short interval, President Trump’s approval ratings — which were never very good — have become a little worse.

Is that just a coincidence? Could health care be Trump’s undoing when so many things haven’t been? Let’s ask a few more questions about Trump’s popularity and the GOP’s health care plan. The health care bill probably has had a drag on Trump’s numbers, but it isn’t an open-and-shut case.

How popular is Donald Trump? We have a handy interactive to answer that very question. Rounding to the nearest whole number, Trump has a 43 percent approval rating and a 52 percent disapproval rating, according to our polling average.

From Jun- 12% support R Senate HC plan
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...care-trump-senate-health-care-plan/103249346/

Fox has it at 27

Fox News Poll: 27 percent favor Senate GOP health care plan, as vote gets delayed | Fox News

By two-to-one, American voters oppose the Senate health care bill to replace the Affordable Care Act -- even as a majority wants to repeal at least some of the existing law.

That’s according to the latest Fox News Poll, conducted Sunday through Tuesday evenings.

Among Republicans, 51 percent favor the Senate bill. That’s in contrast to 75 percent support for the House bill last month.

Overall, 27 percent of voters favor the Senate proposal, 54 percent oppose it, and 18 percent are unsure. For comparison, in polling conducted after the House health care bill passed, 40 percent favored it and 54 percent were opposed (May 2017). That’s the plan President Trump has called “mean.”

Pass it and see how many lose their seats
Been saying for quite some time now, American like their HC and want it fixed- That takes 2 parties.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

In other words you admit that it is only the loud mouthed partisan liberals infiltrating the town halls who are complaining about it tor political purposes.

Isn't Paul ryan supposed to represent the interests of all the citizens in his district, regardless of ideological lean?

 

[Moderate Right]

?

I think you may have misunderstood.

I said there's no real assurance that the Repubs won't include those tax cuts in the final bill, and no one to my knowledge with sway has said they were seriously consider dropping them.

Yes, Schumer will not compromise in light of the bill as it exists and is likely to exist for good reaosn.

Schumer refuses to compromise on anything. It is either his way or the highway.

 

[Moderate Right]

The GOP has never done that .

Let's get this out of the way then. If Republicans drop the tax cut plan in their health care bill will you then support it?

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Schumer refuses to compromise on anything. It is either his way or the highway.

Remove Schumers name and Copy and paste Paul Ryan's or Mitch McConnell name and you have our major complaint.

The complaint being that republicans will not accept the affordable care acts existence and want it repealed. Why are republicans so insistent on repealing the affordable care act when it only needs repairs

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Let's get this out of the way then. If Republicans drop the tax cut plan in their health care bill will you then support it?

Drop The repeal and then democrats will talk about repairing the affordable care act

 

[JANFU]

First you have to agree that if I can post a link proving that 15 million will only lose their insurance because they will choose not to buy it, then you will back the Republican health care plans. But, before you do that, my advice is to research it yourself because that information is not only easily found but even libearls acknowledge this. Only partisan idiots deny it.

Post it or not, I really do not play these silly little games that you like

 

[JANFU]

In other words you admit that it is only the loud mouthed partisan liberals infiltrating the town halls who are complaining about it tor political purposes.

Your post is a classic example of what is wrong with your political thinking, and I am being quite generous. The other side, anyone who disagrees is the enemy. Yet you make ludicrous statements, when asked for proof you play silly games.
Perhaps this sandbox is to big & complicated with your inability to grasp what I asked for??
might I suggest some light reading for you, perhaps The Little Engine that could, could be right up your alley

 

[Perotista]

The republicans have done this to themselves, their agenda is dependent on reconciliation rules in order to pass with democratic input.

It's known as shooting oneself in the foot or the butt. What I don't understand is how receiving 46% of the popular vote and just edging out the Democrats 49-48 in the total congressional vote gave the Republicans a mandate to push whatever agenda they want even against the will and wishes of the majority of Americans. Do that will only cause another 2010, but in reverse.

It seems neither party will ever learn from history. They probably don't even know what history is. Time and time again just because one party or the other won an election they go off and pass their own agenda, not the public's. Then the public comes back and bites them in the butt in the next election. All I can do is shake my head at their stupidity. The Republicans this time, the Democrats before that etc. etc. etc.

 

[Perotista]

Polls have changed
Pick one.
https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=MrFGWdHWFozd8gfSjI_YDQ#q=pollls+on+ahca

AHCA: Poll Finds 21% Support for Republican Health Care Plan | Time.com
21 % like Rep HC

A reputable source from March -IMHO
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-tempting-fate-on-health-care/



From Jun- 12% support R Senate HC plan
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...care-trump-senate-health-care-plan/103249346/

Fox has it at 27

Fox News Poll: 27 percent favor Senate GOP health care plan, as vote gets delayed | Fox News


Pass it and see how many lose their seats
Been saying for quite some time now, American like their HC and want it fixed- That takes 2 parties.

I agree with the fact it will take both parties to sit down and work this thing out. If they don't, I guarantee the GOP will find itself in another 2010 election, only in the reverse. It's high past time each political party stops just taking care of their party and begin taking care of America as a whole.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

It's known as shooting oneself in the foot or the butt. What I don't understand is how receiving 46% of the popular vote and just edging out the Democrats 49-48 in the total congressional vote gave the Republicans a mandate to push whatever agenda they want even against the will and wishes of the majority of Americans. Do that will only cause another 2010, but in reverse.

It seems neither party will ever learn from history. They probably don't even know what history is. Time and time again just because one party or the other won an election they go off and pass their own agenda, not the public's. Then the public comes back and bites them in the butt in the next election. All I can do is shake my head at their stupidity. The Republicans this time, the Democrats before that etc. etc. etc.

They don't care. The republicans believe that their advantages in money and the rigging of election districts via gerrymandering gives them an insurmountable advantage and that makes them invincible. The only thing they fear is being primaries by another far right challenger.

And just for the record democrats allowed the GOP to participate in the negotiations over the affordable care act. The republicans have excluded the democrats at every stage of the process.

 

[JANFU]

I agree with the fact it will take both parties to sit down and work this thing out. If they don't, I guarantee the GOP will find itself in another 2010 election, only in the reverse. It's high past time each political party stops just taking care of their party and begin taking care of America as a whole.

Voters are angry as hell- Reason Trump won the nomination, and Bernie did so well.And both parties best start listening to moderates.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Voters are angry as hell- Reason Trump won the nomination, and Bernie did so well.And both parties best start listening to moderates.

Maybe the reason that Bernie and trump got as much support as they did because people were fed up with moderates and their steadfast refusal to take a clear cut position on issues.

 

[Top Cat]

Liberal leader has close ties to Hamas.

Tucker Carlson's rag does a liberal hit piece. In other news the sun sets in the west

 

[Perotista]

They don't care. The republicans believe that their advantages in money and the rigging of election districts via gerrymandering gives them an insurmountable advantage and that makes them invincible. The only thing they fear is being primaries by another far right challenger.

And just for the record democrats allowed the GOP to participate in the negotiations over the affordable care act. The republicans have excluded the democrats at every stage of the process.

After the first couple to three elections, gerrymandering doesn't have the impact it did as in the first. People move, become of age and die. The Republicans won 63 seats in 2010 based on the 2000 mapping of the districts. 2018 is far enough out from the 2010 mapping as to really dilute the effects of that gerrymandering. I think we seen some of that dilution in the special elections we had so far where the Democratic candidate did far better than he should have, even if they didn't win.

I think the Republicans ought to start paying attention to the independents, they after all have the smaller base of the two major parties. In 2006 independents broke for the Democratic congressional candidates 57-39 and the Republicans lost 33 seats. In 2010 independents broke for the Republicans congressional candidates 57-41 and the Democrats lost 63 seats. In 2014 independents broke once again for the Republicans 54-44 and the GOP regained the senate. The point is independents are very capable of wild swings to which party's candidates they support.

Let independents give Democratic congressional candidates next year their 54-44 support regardless of the gerrymandering, the Democrats would regain the House. Last year independents barely voted Republican on the congressional level, 51-47 with the total congressional vote 49-48 Republican. But the GOP still lost 6 seats.

 

[Perotista]

Voters are angry as hell- Reason Trump won the nomination, and Bernie did so well.And both parties best start listening to moderates.

Whichever party moves more toward the center could rule for the next 20 years. Especially when the majority of independents which now make up between 40-44% of the electorate or more center left, center right and center than either party. The Democratic Party was once known as the big tent party which had between 40-50% of the electorate identifying themselves as Democrats until Reagan. Today having move far away from their big tent philosophy, the Democratic Party has dropped to 30% of the electorate. Keep moving further and further left and that percentage will continue to drop.

I think this last election proved it takes more than just the liberal Northeast and West Coast to win national elections.

 

[JANFU]

Maybe the reason that Bernie and trump got as much support as they did because people were fed up with moderates and their steadfast refusal to take a clear cut position on issues.

I would differ- stating one thing and doing the opposite.

 

[Surrealistik]

Voters are angry as hell- Reason Trump won the nomination, and Bernie did so well.And both parties best start listening to moderates.

Why listen to moderates? 'Moderates' in America are effectively the Kasichs and the Clintons; neither are really embraced by the general electorate and independents so much as people like Bernie; people who have bold, popular ideas that decisively favour the poor and middle class; I've linked you ample evidence of this earlier in another thread, none of which you've addressed or refuted.

 

[JANFU]

Why listen to moderates? 'Moderates' in America are effectively the Kasichs and the Clintons; neither are really embraced by the general electorate and independents so much as people like Bernie; people who have bold, popular ideas that decisively favour the poor and middle class; I've linked you ample evidence of this earlier in another thread, none of which you've addressed or refuted.

My apologies for not replying. Thing is, both parties promise the moon, then give back BS and an up the rear policy. Perhaps a gradual approach would work better. Next - no real info on how pissed off the electorate is with both parties. And that in itself is a key factor. Go far left or right, will not work.

 

[Surrealistik]

My apologies for not replying. Thing is, both parties promise the moon, then give back BS and an up the rear policy. Perhaps a gradual approach would work better. Next - no real info on how pissed off the electorate is with both parties. And that in itself is a key factor. Go far left or right, will not work.

Gradualism is evidently unelectable; if Democrats go with a gradualist approach, they will get slaughtered again barring a truly monstrous Republican tenure such that they win by default (which seems to be increasingly likely to be fair); no one is interested in an ineffective status quo that in delivers so little so slowly to the vast majority of the electorate; this is exactly why Trump and a complete unknown like Bernie did far better than any so-called pundit or political expert felt they had any right to. Again, it must be emphasized that 'moderate' politics and 'gradualism' in the US is essentially right to far right in virtually every other first world country; something that in balance still handily favours corporates and a wealthy and powerful elite over the typical American.

Further, no promise is BS if the electorate supports it, and most of Bernie's pillar policies for example, it apparently supports per the evidence available; FDR for example passed highly ambitious change and reform with great depth and breadth per a historically disgruntled and unhappy body of constituents; I don't see why things would be much different in the present.

 

[JANFU]

Gradualism is evidently unelectable; if Democrats go with a gradualist approach, they will get slaughtered again barring a truly monstrous Republican tenure such that they win by default (which seems to be increasingly likely to be fair); no one is interested in an ineffective status quo that in delivers so little so slowly to the vast majority of the electorate; this is exactly why Trump and a complete unknown like Bernie did far better than any so-called pundit or political expert felt they had any right to.

Further, no promise is BS if the electorate supports it, and most of Bernie's pillar policies for example, it apparently supports per the evidence available; FDR for example passed highly ambitious change and reform with great depth and breadth per a historically disgruntled and unhappy body of constituents; I don't see why things would be much different in the present.

Bookmarked for a later reply. You posted some food for thought. Thank you

 

[OpportunityCost]

OpportunityCost still judging another poster with personal insults .

Judging your message, not you. If you display a message that is borderline unhinged, why don't you understand your message is part of the problem with WHY town halls aren't being held.

Rhetoric that invites discussion rather than shutting it down will go so much further.

 

[Linc]

Judging your message, not you. If you display a message that is borderline unhinged, why don't you understand your message is part of the problem with WHY town halls aren't being held.

Rhetoric that invites discussion rather than shutting it down will go so much further.

Personal insults continue from OpportunityCost calling posters unhinged, blaming me as a poster for the reason why chicken**** lying ******s like lyin Ryan won't have townhalls; continuing to judge posters instead of being a poster

 

[bubbabgone]

And his country???

In Congress he represents his District. That's the way it's supposed to be. If he stopped doing that he wouldn't be there much longer.
If you're still puzzled, think Maxine Waters.