Ryan gets caught in a lie about requesting Stimulus money...

[Objective Voice]

But what Tettsuo says is true especially during the Bush II era. The image I posted previously illustrating Paul Ryan's voting record highlights every major spending measure Republicans have ushered in under GW Bush less Stimulus I and II. (Of course, GWB has his own stimulus programs where in one case he passed out checks to the public and in another it was an addition to your federal tax return.) But at no time did you hear any Republican member of Congress admit to appropriating funds for those unfunded liabilities. Instead, what we've constantly heard was "justification" for their spending spree if you heard anything at all. But the moment a Democrat gets into the WH or Congress turns majority Democrat suddenly all the fiscal irresponsibility finger pointing is aimed at those on the Left while Republicans get away with it scott-free!

The crazy thing is people fall for it every time. Case and point: Now that so many Republican are running state governments they've been on a relentless quest to balance their budgets on the backs of state employees. I wonder how many people besides myself have looked at their state's budget and compared say FY2011 to FY2008 or 2009? I did and the only areas that really showed significant decreases in AL's budget were payroll, health and retirement benefits and a couple of small projects that went away - mostly in highway and road construction. Other than that, nothing has really changed. So, when I hear a Republican talk about fiscal policy and spending cuts, I'm always mindful of where those cuts will come from. To my larger point, the finger is rarely if ever pointed to the Right when spending gets out of control. It's always to the left. And irony is with the exception of Carter, the last two Democrat Presidents not only spurred economic growth but also left office with a budget surplus. To this day the only President to ever pay off America's debts was Andrew Jackson - a Democrat!

Great, and that just goes to show that there is no justification for public union benefits being granted by a politician who then becomes a pawn of that union. All pay and benefit issues for public employees should be put on the ballot for the people to vote on since their pay comes from the people not the politicians.

Crazy thing, Scott Walker started the ball rolling, overcame a recall, and the people are seeing actual positive results. So are the people of other Republican governor states. Facts always get in the way of what Obama supporters want to believe.

Notice how Conservative never mentions the irresponsible spending Republicans have long been a part of but instead focuses his commentary squarely on public employees, public employee pay and unions benefits, and whether or not the President supports employee unions. This goes straight to the heart of my post above: If they can avoid taking responsibility for having any part in this country's economic mess, they will do any and everything to deflect from the issue.

 

[Conservative]

Notice how Conservative never mentions the irresponsible spending Republicans have long been a part of but instead focuses his commentary squarely on public employees, public employee pay and unions benefits, and whether or not the President supports employee unions. This goes straight to the heart of my post above: If they can avoid taking responsibility for having any part in this country's economic mess, they will do any and everything to deflect from the issue.

Can't help but notice that you didn't address your point to me but I am trying to figure out how the Republicans controlled the spending from January 2007 to January 2011 when Democrats controlled the Congress. You do realize that not one dime can be spent without Congress approving it or didn't you take basic civics?

Further if you have been paying any attention to my posts you would understand my proposal that all public service employee compensation issues should be put on the ballot for the people to decide, not an elected official who generally gets the financial support from the unions.

As for the budget I have posted over and over again my proposal is for a 1.5 trillion dollar Federal Govt. and you start by taking SS and Medicare off budget along with the funding for those programs.Then you eliminate all Federal expenses duplicated at the state level leaving the govt. with its basic Constitutional responsibility of Providing for the Common Defense.

 

[johnny_rebson]

Still not a thread about Obama, still a thread about Ryan making a false statement and acting the hypocrite.

Even if Ryan is a hypocrite, I'd still rather vote for him than Obama.

 

[Objective Voice]

Can't help but notice that you didn't address your point to me but I am trying to figure out how the Republicans controlled the spending from January 2007 to January 2011 when Democrats controlled the Congress.

Again, deflection from Republican fiscal irresponsiblity before Obama and Democrats controlled Congress. Referring back to the list on Ryan's voting record from 2000-2008...



...let's go through them 1-by-1 shall we where he and Republicans should be taking responsiblity but won't:

*TARP - GWB
*Auto bailout - GWB (though restructured under Obama)
*Medicare expansion (prescription drug program) - GWB
*Housing subsidies - Clinton, GWB and Obama (although his was an attempt to correct the housing crisis and keep people in their homes)
*No Child Left Behind - GWB (waivers granted to states under Obama)

Add in the cost of two wars and you get alot of spending conducted by Republicans - and these are only the more controversial issues.

 

[Conservative]

Again, deflection from Republican fiscal irresponsiblity before Obama and Democrats controlled Congress. Referring back to the list on Ryan's voting record from 2000-2008...

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...let's go through them 1-by-1 shall we where he and Republicans should be taking responsiblity but won't:

*TARP - GWB
*Auto bailout - GWB (though restructured under Obama)
*Medicare expansion (prescription drug program) - GWB
*Housing subsidies - Clinton, GWB and Obama (although his was an attempt to correct the housing crisis and keep people in their homes)
*No Child Left Behind - GWB (waivers granted to states under Obama)

Add in the cost of two wars and you get alot of spending conducted by Republicans - and these are only the more controversial issues.

Unbelieveable, I thought you were smarter than this.

TARP a loan that was mostly paid back
Auto Bailout was a loan that is supposed to be paid back
Medicare Expansion cut Medicare expense by interjecting the private sector into the process
What housing subsidies?
No Child Left behind put standards into the education system

Do you know the difference between a loan and an expense?

 

[Far right dem]

What housing subsidies?

LOL. Is that a joke?

Home Ownership and President Bush - YouTube

Do you know the difference between a loan and an expense?

So the loan to solyndra is okay?

 

[AdamT]

Unbelieveable, I thought you were smarter than this.

TARP a loan that was mostly paid back

TARP was a bailout and at present more than $200 billion has not been paid back. I doubt that we will ever get the tally below 12 figures.

Auto Bailout was a loan that is supposed to be paid back

It was a bailout and tens of billions will never be paid back.

Medicare Expansion cut Medicare expense by interjecting the private sector into the process

You don't know what you're talking about. Medicare Part D was a brand new prescription entitlement program. It "interjects" tens of billions in public funds into drug company coffers.

Do you know the difference between a loan and an expense?

You don't seem to.

 

[Conservative]

AdamT;1060822130]TARP was a bailout and at present more than $200 billion has not been paid back. I doubt that we will ever get the tally below 12 figures.

You made the statement now prove it, the actual number is much lower than that and includes the Obama takeover of GM which is right now at least a 25 billion dollar loss

You don't know what you're talking about. Medicare Part D was a brand new prescription entitlement program. It "interjects" tens of billions in public funds into drug company coffers.

Don't you ever get tired of making an ass out of yourself. Medicae Part D has been a huge success and has lowered costs of Medicare Prescription drugs

 

[Conservative]

LOL. Is that a joke?

Home Ownership and President Bush - YouTube



So the loan to solyndra is okay?

It becomes an expense and part of the debt when it isn't repaid or when they went bankrupt which is now.

As for Housing, I wonder what you would think of a President whose goal wasn't to increase home ownership. are you claiming that Bush made the loans? You really do have BDS

 

[Conservative]

TARP was a bailout and at present more than $200 billion has not been paid back. I doubt that we will ever get the tally below 12 figures.



It was a bailout and tens of billions will never be paid back.



You don't know what you're talking about. Medicare Part D was a brand new prescription entitlement program. It "interjects" tens of billions in public funds into drug company coffers.




You don't seem to.

You have really become a tool for the Obama Administration as you continue to perpetuate Obama lies. TARP was a loan and the loss will be around 70 billion dollars of which much of that is due to the auto bailout

2008 TARP Funds -- Where Are They Now? | InvestorPlace

 

[AdamT]

You have really become a tool for the Obama Administration as you continue to perpetuate Obama lies. TARP was a loan and the loss will be around 70 billion dollars of which much of that is due to the auto bailout

2008 TARP Funds -- Where Are They Now? | InvestorPlace

Just $70 billion? Well hey, who cares about that pocket change? :lol:

But it's actually over $200 billion: Bailout Scorecard | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica

 

[AdamT]

Don't you ever get tired of making an ass out of yourself. Medicae Part D has been a huge success and has lowered costs of Medicare Prescription drugs

Sure, it's a huge success for big goverment spending types like you and Paul Ryan. The program will have cost us over $700 billion by 2018.

 

[Conservative]

Just $70 billion? Well hey, who cares about that pocket change? :lol:

But it's actually over $200 billion: Bailout Scorecard | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica

As usual another liberal who doesn't understand TARP and confuses it with the Freddie and Fannie bailout

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica

Adam, it is ok and a sign of maturity to admit when you are wrong but I guess you have been wrong so many times that it just comes normal to you

 

[Conservative]

Sure, it's a huge success for big goverment spending types like you and Paul Ryan. The program will have cost us over $700 billion by 2018.

More projections based upon assumptions that may or may not happen. How many times has the CBO been wrong because the assumptions they are given are wrong. It isn't the fault of CBO it is the fault of the assumptions given the CBO by partisan politicians.

You really ought to learn more about the CBO that apparently you know.

After adding 5.4 trillion to the debt and an Obama supporter you don't have a lot of credibility talking about big spenders

 

[AdamT]

As usual another liberal who doesn't understand TARP and confuses it with the Freddie and Fannie bailout

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act | Eye on the Bailout | ProPublica

Adam, it is ok and a sign of maturity to admit when you are wrong but I guess you have been wrong so many times that it just comes normal to you

Dude, give it up, or at least do SOMETHING to try and counter the link I posted that smacks down your claim.

 

[AdamT]

More projections based upon assumptions that may or may not happen.

OMG, you are pathetic. The program has already cost hundreds of billions of dollars and costs will obviously continue to grow. When will you irresponsible, big spending liberals learn?!

 

[Conservative]

Dude, give it up, or at least do SOMETHING to try and counter the link I posted that smacks down your claim.

Read your own link, TWO BAILOUTS, TARP and the Freddie and Fannie bailouts. We were talking about TARP. Most of Freddie and Fannie are Obama's. Come on, Dude, you should be smarter than this

 

[AdamT]

Read your own link, TWO BAILOUTS, TARP and the Freddie and Fannie bailouts. We were talking about TARP. Most of Freddie and Fannie are Obama's. Come on, Dude, you should be smarter than this

The F&F bailout was part of TARP, Bro. :lol:

 

[Conservative]

OMG, you are pathetic. The program has already cost hundreds of billions of dollars and costs will obviously continue to grow. When will you irresponsible, big spending liberals learn?!

Then you shouldn't have any trouble proving it plus the fact that you want to ignore how much the Democrats proposed for the program. This is getting embarrassing for you.

 

[Conservative]

The F&F bailout was part of TARP, Bro. :lol:

No, it wasn't, TARP was for 700 billion dollars and Freddie and Fannie had no dollars associated with it. If you are going to post links, suggest you read the link before embarrassing yourself

 

[AdamT]

Then you shouldn't have any trouble proving it plus the fact that you want to ignore how much the Democrats proposed for the program. This is getting embarrassing for you.

Are you denying it? Talk about embarrassing! :lol: Part D cost taxpayers $50 billion in 2008 ALONE. The $727.3 billion estimate does not come from the CBO, as you claimed, but rathe from the 2009 ANNUAL REPORT OF THE BOARDS OF TRUSTEES OF THE FEDERAL HOSPITAL INSURANCE AND FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTARY MEDICAL INSURANCE TRUST FUNDS. http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...eports/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2009.pdf

 

[Conservative]

Are you denying it? Talk about embarrassing! :lol: Part D cost taxpayers $50 billion in 2008 ALONE. The $727.3 billion estimate does not come from the CBO, as you claimed, but rathe from the 2009 ANNUAL REPORT OF THE BOARDS OF TRUSTEES OF THE FEDERAL HOSPITAL INSURANCE AND FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTARY MEDICAL INSURANCE TRUST FUNDS. http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...eports/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2009.pdf

You really are a piece of work looking for anything you think is a gotcha moment but what you don't realize is everything you post makes you look like a partisan hack. You totally ignore anything that refutes your beliefs as well as ignore the situaion at the time and the counter proposal from Democrats. Was that proposal higher or lower than what was passed?

Medicare Part D costs come in 43% lower than forecast | Insurance & Financial Advisor I IFAwebnews.com

 

[Far right dem]

It becomes an expense and part of the debt when it isn't repaid or when they went bankrupt which is now.

As for Housing, I wonder what you would think of a President whose goal wasn't to increase home ownership. are you claiming that Bush made the loans? You really do have BDS

Did you even watch the video? He gave low downpayments to low income folks at the expense of the taxpayers. Your support of fiscally irresponsible spenders like bush, romney, and ryan is unbelievable. Voters are like you are the reason we have a 16 trillion dollar debt.

 

[AdamT]

You really are a piece of work looking for anything you think is a gotcha moment but what you don't realize is everything you post makes you look like a partisan hack. You totally ignore anything that refutes your beliefs as well as ignore the situaion at the time and the counter proposal from Democrats. Was that proposal higher or lower than what was passed?

Medicare Part D costs come in 43% lower than forecast | Insurance & Financial Advisor I IFAwebnews.com

Hey, that's great news. I hadn't seen that.

However ... thank you for making my point that Medicare Part D will cost us hundreds of billions of dollars by 2018! It will ONLY cost taxpayers $373 BILLION! :applaud

That's got to bring tears of joy to a big government, big spending liberal like you!

 

[Conservative]

Did you even watch the video? He gave low downpayments to low income folks at the expense of the taxpayers. Your support of fiscally irresponsible spenders like bush, romney, and ryan is unbelievable. Voters are like you are the reason we have a 16 trillion dollar debt.

When you can tell me what that has to do with the results today I will be happy to answer your questions about Bush. Sure glad you didn't put Obama on the list for that would make you a non partisan and we know that isn't true.