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RW Dream Comes True, Back Alley Abortions Return [W:339]

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Texas women flying to Mexico for medical procedures no longer available in the US. The Right has gotten their wish. We've become as backward as we were 50 years ago.

I never would have guessed this country would turn stupid so damned fast. We are returning to a past that was proven to be a failure. That's why education is important. It takes a certain ignorance to repeat mistakes of the past. The Right sure seems to have that part sewn up.

The new restrictions have had a significant impact on women's access to abortion. A Huffington Post survey last year found that since 2010, at least 54 abortion providers across 27 states had either closed or stopped performing the procedure. Sixteen more shut their doors after Texas lawmakers passed some of the toughest abortion restrictions in the country last summer. A federal appeals court upheld two of the new restrictions in a ruling last week.

As a result, researchers and women's health advocates say, women today are resorting to many of the same dangerous methods they relied on in the pre-Roe era: seeking out illegal abortion providers, as Karen Hulsey did, or attempting risky self-abortion procedures.

In 2014, four decades after the Supreme Court upheld a woman's right to choose, pregnant women once again find themselves crossing the border to Mexico and haunting back-alleys in search of medical care.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5065301/
 
Well, people go to Mexico for dental work too.
 
Well, people go to Mexico for dental work too.

True, I live on the border and several doctors and dentists sponsor shuttles from the US into Mexico. In fact, my dermatologist who removed my skin cancer is of Mexican descent and he's considered one of the best. It's a little offensive to suggest that Mexican doctors aren't real doctors.
 
Texas women flying to Mexico for medical procedures no longer available in the US. The Right has gotten their wish. We've become as backward as we were 50 years ago.

I never would have guessed this country would turn stupid so damned fast. We are returning to a past that was proven to be a failure. That's why education is important. It takes a certain ignorance to repeat mistakes of the past. The Right sure seems to have that part sewn up.

My first thought was that it wasn't true. I'm still not sure that isn't the answer. But one thing I'm sure of is that people aren't going to Mexico for abortions because they aren't readily available here.

I have a friend who just went to Cabo for dental implants. I think they cost $500 each (whole upper), and the fee included their first-class hotel stay for two weeks while it was done. They had to pay their own airfare. She had a problem with two of them (or something). They flew her back at their expense and repaired the problems.

Abortions aren't that expensive, so the reason isn't the same. I'd like to know why they're doing it. Because a lack of abortion clinics in the United States is not that reason. (In my opinion)
 
FRom an article titled:
The Last Rural Abortion Clinics in Texas Just Shut Down

Since November, the last abortion clinics in East Texas and the Rio Grande Valley, some of the poorest and most remote parts of the state, have been hanging on by their fingernails. The two clinics, both outposts of a network of abortion providers called Whole Woman’s Health, stayed open with slimmed-down staffs while their owner, Amy Hagstrom Miller, struggled to comply with the first chunk of HB2—the voluminous anti-choice law passed by the Texas legislature last summer—which requires abortion doctors to obtain admitting privileges at a local hospital. Today, after weeks of failed negotiations with nearby hospitals, Hagstrom Miller announced that both clinics are closing their doors.
The clinics in Beaumont, about an hour east of Houston, and McAllen, just north of the Mexico border in the Rio Grande Valley, were the last rural abortion providers left in Texas. Between July, when HB2 passed, and November, when the admitting privileges requirement went into effect, nearly half of the state’s 44 abortion clinics folded, unable to comply with the new rules. The health center in McAllen stopped offering abortions and pared down its staff, providing ultrasounds and counseling to the women who continued to walk in the door and helping them coordinate travel to the nearest clinic, two hours north in Corpus Christi. The Beaumont clinic survived this initial purge because one of its physicians had admitting privileges, but he’s in his seventies and wants to retire. His colleagues couldn’t get privileges in his stead, leaving the clinic in a precarious position.

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For many women, a long drive, an overnight stay, and a few days off work are a substantial burden, but not impossible. For the residents of the Rio Grande Valley, though, these new hurdles could make abortion as difficult to obtain as if it were illegal. McAllen is one of the poorest cities in the country, second only to Brownsville, another town nearby. Last fall, Sarah Posner documented some of the barriers that keep women in the Rio Grande from accessing basic reproductive healthcare like birth control. Unpaved roads, erratic electricity, and poor sanitation are common in the surrounding communities. Few of the Rio Grande’s residents have jobs with sick leave.

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Rather than waiting for months to scrape together the money for the procedure and the trip—a Sisyphean task in itself, since the price for abortion skyrockets from as little as $300 in the first trimester to several thousand dollars by the end of the second—more women may take matters into their own hands. The Rio Grande Valley already has one of the highest rates of self-induced abortion in the country.

A 2012 survey found that 12 percent of women in clinics near the Mexico border said they had attempted to end their pregnancy on their own before seeking professional help. “They’re getting drugs from Mexico, drinking teas, eating herbs, falling down the stairs on purpose or convincing their boyfriends to beat them up,” Hagstrom Miller says. “Any of those methods could be fatal.”

read more:

The Last Rural Abortion Clinics in Texas Just Shut Down
 
Texas women flying to Mexico for medical procedures no longer available in the US. The Right has gotten their wish. We've become as backward as we were 50 years ago.
Yet the wealthier White GOPs will still pull their lily-white teen-age girl from school with mononucleosis for a couple weeks, as they always have.
Maybe even take the girl's best friend to Mexico, as things are done today by these helicopter parents .
 
Well, people go to Mexico for dental work too.

BTW;

Dental work in Mexico is legal

Abortions except to save the woman's life are illegal in Mexico.
 
Yet there is little Mexico will do to stop the Abortion pills.
Another accidental loss of tax money to the USA, though the party of "controlling sex" hates taxes also.

Then the women can come back and take the Meds wrong and have bad miscarriages.
As long as they're not white, the right might be happy with that.

You know how phony they are with Hobby Lobby.
As with Romney disposing aborted babies .
BTW;

Dental work in Mexico is legal

Abortions except to save the woman's life are illegal in Mexico.
 
It's increasingly difficult for me to imagine anyway conservatism makes this country better.
 
As long as they're not white, the right might be happy with that.

Black and Hispanic babies are aborted at far greater rates than whites and we're the ones who aren't ok with it.

According to 2010 census data, African Americans make up 12.6% of the U.S. population2 but the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reports that black women accounted for 35.4% of all abortions in 2009.3 The Guttmacher Institute (AGI) puts the percentage of black abortions at 30% of the U.S. total.4 Their most recent numbers are from 2008. Similarly, AGI tells us that Hispanic women5 accounted for 25% of all U.S. abortions in 2008,6 though Hispanics make up just 16.3% of the U.S. population.7 The CDC lists the percentage of Hispanic abortions at 20.6%.8 Compare those numbers to non-Hispanic whites, who make up 63.7% of America's population,9 but account for only 36% of all U.S. abortions10 (37.7% according to the CDC11).
 
I doubt many pro-life people will be concerned about this. Most will just claim...or believe...that any health complications borne by the woman, or even death...are her punishment and that she deserves it.

Quite the high ground.
 
Yet there is little Mexico will do to stop the Abortion pills.
Another accidental loss of tax money to the USA, though the party of "controlling sex" hates taxes also.

Then the women can come back and take the Meds wrong and have bad miscarriages.
.. .

Actually as far as I know the women are only able to buy Misoprostol .( Which is a stomach ulcer drug but can also cause the uterus to contract, and helps the pregnancy tissue to expel.) Without the other medication mifepristone the woman goes into a full blown very painful miscarriage.



How mifepristone works to end pregnancy

Mifepristone blocks the action of progesterone, which is needed to sustain a pregnancy. This results in:

Changes in the uterine lining and detachment of the pregnancy
Softening and opening of the cervix
Increased uterine sensitivity to prostaglandin
In the U.S., mifepristone is used in combination with another medication, a synthetic prostaglandin called misoprostol. Misoprostol causes the uterus to contract, and helps the pregnancy tissue to expel.

https://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/facts_mifepristone.html

From the following article :

Texas women in the lower Rio Grande Valley have been illegally purchasing Cytotec, a stomach ulcer drug that can also induce a miscarriage, at an open-air bazaar in McAllen, Texas. Cost is the main motivator for using the drug. Women can buy Cytotec for about $40, while a pharmaceutical abortion at the nearest clinic costs $550. Texas's 24-hour waiting period for an abortion prices many women out of traveling to a clinic. The state's decreased funding for birth control (as of 2011) has also contributed to the prevalence of the drug.

Erlinda Dasquez is a mother of four who has taken Cytotec before. She told Bloomberg News,

read more:

Texas Women Are Already Getting 'Flea Market Abortions' - The Wire
 
It's increasingly difficult for me to imagine anyway conservatism makes this country better.
Though conservatives must constantly deal with those who are similarly unable/incapable, those who will not/cannot process such simple logic in parallel to the stated mental impotence on this topic...this powerlessness is hardly just another thing upon which one should heap blame upon conservatives.

Those attempting cogitation in so libertine a manner are not, unfortunately, similarly as sexually impotent. Might well solve a lot of problems in this area of concern were that the case.
 
Though conservatives must constantly deal with those who are similarly unable/incapable, those who will not/cannot process such simple logic in parallel to the stated mental impotence on this topic...this powerlessness is hardly just another thing upon which one should heap blame upon conservatives.

Those attempting cogitation in so libertine a manner are not, unfortunately, similarly as sexually impotent. Might well solve a lot of problems in this area of concern were that the case.

Shorter: Liberals are stupid.
 
Shorter: Liberals are stupid.
Well, actually there are a couple of themes going on in there. Besides, to state things so bluntly might offend those generally less conscious and is, simply, a rather inelegant manner of framing the truth. Usually best to state things so that only the adults in the room understand the message...

Less incoherent retribution that way, yano?
 
Texas women flying to Mexico for medical procedures no longer available in the US. The Right has gotten their wish. We've become as backward as we were 50 years ago.

I never would have guessed this country would turn stupid so damned fast. We are returning to a past that was proven to be a failure. That's why education is important. It takes a certain ignorance to repeat mistakes of the past. The Right sure seems to have that part sewn up.

Texas has been demonstrating its backward mentality against women's reproductive rights for some time now, so while this latest story is appalling, it is not too surprising.

If I had been living in Texas when the clinic shutdowns first began, I would have pulled up stakes there and moved OUT of that regressive state as quickly as possible. Thank goodness I was never stuck there, so an expensive move wasn't necessary. I feel very sorry for the women who ARE stuck there and wish to leave but can't.
 
I doubt many pro-life people will be concerned about this. Most will just claim...or believe...that any health complications borne by the woman, or even death...are her punishment and that she deserves it.

Quite the high ground.

Agreed, and the anti-choice extremists will definitely believe it. Just as most, if not all, of them believe that forced gestation and birth is a suitable punishment for women who have consensual sex, especially when those women aren't married.
 
Black and Hispanic babies are aborted at far greater rates than whites and we're the ones who aren't ok with it.

Do you think it is a color issue or an economic issue?
 
My advice.....Do not be female and sexually active in Texas, move out of the State ASAP.


Why would you want to live there anyway?
 
My advice.....Do not be female and sexually active in Texas, move out of the State ASAP.
Why would you want to live there anyway?

Definitely agree. Women who don't want to get pregnant and stuck with unwanted gestation should cease all partnered sexual activity (the kind that gets women pregnant at least) and concentrate on getting the heck out of Texas.
 
My first thought was that it wasn't true. I'm still not sure that isn't the answer. But one thing I'm sure of is that people aren't going to Mexico for abortions because they aren't readily available here.

I have a friend who just went to Cabo for dental implants. I think they cost $500 each (whole upper), and the fee included their first-class hotel stay for two weeks while it was done. They had to pay their own airfare. She had a problem with two of them (or something). They flew her back at their expense and repaired the problems.

Abortions aren't that expensive, so the reason isn't the same. I'd like to know why they're doing it. Because a lack of abortion clinics in the United States is not that reason. (In my opinion)

You may want to read up on it. In many cases Mexican or self inflicted abortions and other options are indeed used because legal abortion is not available. There are distance issues due to a lack of any nearby clinics allowed to perform abortions--this is now a problem in many states--high costs due to the shortage of doctors and security requiremnets, and/or insurmountable legal hurdles, which I believe was the case with the woman in the op who flew to Mexico.
 
Well, people go to Mexico for dental work too.

Is that the Right's next goal? Americans dont need ACA, they can always get cheap medical work done in Mexico. Btw, poor people pull out their own teeth with pliers or dig em out with a screwdriver. Just like women now perform their own abortions with whatever tool they find.

****ing right wing utopia.
 
Well, actually there are a couple of themes going on in there. Besides, to state things so bluntly might offend those generally less conscious and is, simply, a rather inelegant manner of framing the truth. Usually best to state things so that only the adults in the room understand the message...

Less incoherent retribution that way, yano?

In other words, just another partisan sniper shot best left ignored.
 
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