Rust' crew member dead after shooting incident involving Alec Baldwin

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Potential legal woes mount after 'Rust' shooting tragedy'​

October 26, 2021

Alec Baldwin the actor, who pulled the trigger on a prop gun while filming “Rust” in New Mexico and unwittingly killed a cinematographer and injured a director, likely won’t be held criminally or civilly liable for the tragedy.

But Alec Baldwin the producer might be, along with several others in leadership positions for the Western.'

Experts predict a tremendous legal fallout from the tragedy, definitely in civil lawsuits and potentially in criminal charges. In addition to Baldwin, a call sheet for the day of the shooting obtained by The Associated Press lists five producers, four executive producers, a line producer and a co-producer. They, as well as assistant director Dave Halls and armorer Hannah Gutierrez, could all face some sort of liability even if they weren't on location Thursday.

The payouts — which could be covered in part by insurance held by the production company, Rust Movie Productions — would likely be in the “millions and millions” of dollars.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainmen...gal-woes-mount-rust-shooting-tragedy-80792239

 

[dcsports]

I don’t know. Seems to be a lot of glee around that it was Baldwin who pulled the trigger. Trump Jr is already selling t-shirts mocking him about the tragedy. Baldwin is also vocally pro gun control so I’ve seen comments on this site mocking that as well. Like I said earlier, if this happened to Clint Eastwood, lots of people would be saying different things.

Yes, it's the left getting into that. Curious as to why they would do so. I don't follow Trump, and hadn't heard about tshirts - but that's wrong of him to do.

If it were Clint Eastwood it would be an even bigger deal. We're still hearing echo in this thread about Brandon Lee, and while his father was famous, he was a relatively little known actor. Much higher profile shows are making adjustments to their policies based on this incident. We're going to be hearing about it for a long time.

 

[JANFU]

Interesting read, thanks. Does look like a lot of those guidelines weren’t followed, there’s been no mention of a “Property Master” in the news reports I’ve seen, just the apparently inexperienced armourer and the AD.

Again, who is ultimately responsible for ensuring those guideline are adhered to? Is it the director or the producer while on set? When Baldwin is also acting in the film, is he the producer at the same time?

I don’t think he’s responsible as an actor to check if the gun is safe. That’s not his job. However, if there have already been accidents with guns on the set and the crew were apparently shooting the prop guns in the desert for fun (wtf?), then it’s clear safety protocols weren’t being followed and as producer, he should have been all over that.

Guidelines are just that guide lines. Where was the set safety manager when all the prior gun incidents occurred?
Enough holes to drive a tractor trailer thru these guidelines

 

[SkyFox76]

I'm saying just the opposite - it doesn't matter if Baldwin was first on the list, or last. He was on the set where the issues were happening, and certainly had the authority to intervene. He should have addressed the issues.

And in this specific case, Baldwin the actor was handed a gun that was "cold", by someone who wasn't supposed to be handling them. He knew there were safety issues on the set - specifically with guns not being 'cold'. He should have checked further. And he certainly shouldn't have done a quick draw with his finger on the trigger.

I'm still asking you for a source that confirms Baldwin knew of the safety issues.

 

[dcsports]

Your evidence that Baldwin knew about guns not being cold?

This was a relatively small set. Do you really think he had no idea there were serious safety incidents?

 

[tres borrachos]

This was a relatively small set. Do you really think he had no idea there were serious safety incidents?

Your evidence that Baldwin knew about guns not being cold?

It doesn't matter what I think. I'm asking you to back up your post.

 

[dcsports]

I'm still asking you for a source that confirms Baldwin knew of the safety issues.

Perhaps he was a totally clueless moron with no idea what was going on around him, given the title of "producer" just for show. I doubt that was the case.

 

[Decypher]

Guidelines are just that guide lines. Where was the set safety manager when all the prior gun incidents occurred?
Enough holes to drive a tractor trailer thru these guidelines

Well yes, it’s a code of practice, not laws. I think I read that unionised workers walked off the set due to best practice not being followed. Again, no one here seems to be able to say who exactly is responsible for these things to be adhered to.

 

[SkyFox76]

This was a relatively small set. Do you really think he had no idea there were serious safety incidents?

Unless you have a statement from Baldwin (or his attorney) you're just speculating on who knew what. Small set, 5 executive producers, 6 producers, that's a long line to play the telephone game and try to confirm each of those people all had the same information in regards to the safety issues.

 

[dcsports]

Unless you have a statement from Baldwin (or his attorney) you're just speculating on who knew what. Small set, 5 executive producers, 6 producers, that's a long line to play the telephone game and try to confirm each of those people all had the same information in regards to the safety issues.

Yes. It's speculation. Again, he was on the set - where most of the producers were not. He was working with the director, cast, and crew. Much harder for him to claim ignorance than a producer in an office in Los Angeles.

 

[JANFU]

Well yes, it’s a code of practice, not laws. I think I read that unionised workers walked off the set due to best practice not being followed. Again, no one here seems to be able to say who exactly is responsible for these things to be adhered to.

Agreed. I have come to the same conclusion
Needless to say some guidelines need to be changed to mandatory
Each set has a safety manager, yet I have seen nothing in the news regarding who that was and if after the previous gun incidents, were mandatory briefings, training given to the crew?

Low budget film, low budget safety.

 

[SkyFox76]

Perhaps he was a totally clueless moron with no idea what was going on around him, given the title of "producer" just for show. I doubt that was the case.

Ah so it's just your speculation he knew. Ty for clearing that up.

But you do make a good point. Perhaps Baldwin really wasn't in the true capacity of a producer, but was given the title due to his long career and name being known. Maybe it was a part of his contract to be listed, but he literally held no real role on the set outside of actor.

 

[trixare4kids]

"The assistant director who handed Baldwin the prop gun did not know it contained live rounds, the affidavit by Santa Fe Sheriff's Department Detective Joel Cano said."​

How come he didn't know?

 

[trixare4kids]

https://www.newsweek.com/alec-baldw...t-shooting-producer-not-actor-experts-1642730

Alec Baldwin Could Be Held Liable in 'Rust' Shooting As a Producer, Not Actor: Experts​

Baldwin is listed in a call sheet for the day of the shooting, obtained by the Associated Press, along with other producers, executive producers, a line producer and a co-producer. All of them, in addition to assistant director Dave Halls and armorer Hannah Gutierrez, could be held liable even if they weren't on location the day of the shooting.

 

[dcsports]

https://www.newsweek.com/alec-baldw...t-shooting-producer-not-actor-experts-1642730

Alec Baldwin Could Be Held Liable in 'Rust' Shooting As a Producer, Not Actor: Experts​

"experts" have been a bit mixed. I've heard several talking about he 'could' be charged, but unsure if he would.

I hadn't considered the additional pressure to NOT bring charges by those supporting motion picture work in New Mexico (mentioned in this article). The DA is probably going to get a lot of pressure in this regards - the state doesn't have a lot money making resources, and likes the movie business. Probably another example of a multi-tiered justice system.

Certainly, Baldwin is going to pay through the nose in civil suits.

 

[tres borrachos]

Potential legal woes mount after 'Rust' shooting tragedy'​

October 26, 2021

Alec Baldwin the actor, who pulled the trigger on a prop gun while filming “Rust” in New Mexico and unwittingly killed a cinematographer and injured a director, likely won’t be held criminally or civilly liable for the tragedy.

But Alec Baldwin the producer might be, along with several others in leadership positions for the Western.'

Experts predict a tremendous legal fallout from the tragedy, definitely in civil lawsuits and potentially in criminal charges. In addition to Baldwin, a call sheet for the day of the shooting obtained by The Associated Press lists five producers, four executive producers, a line producer and a co-producer. They, as well as assistant director Dave Halls and armorer Hannah Gutierrez, could all face some sort of liability even if they weren't on location Thursday.

The payouts — which could be covered in part by insurance held by the production company, Rust Movie Productions — would likely be in the “millions and millions” of dollars.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainmen...gal-woes-mount-rust-shooting-tragedy-80792239

I'm good with this. I mean, the producers are responsible for the people who they employed on the set. The person who claimed that was a "cold gun" was hired to make sure that didn't happen.

 

[tres borrachos]

I'm still asking you for a source that confirms Baldwin knew of the safety issues.

So am I. But he hasn't produced it yet.

 

[SkyFox76]

From an article put out today--

Rust Movie Productions said in a statement on Friday that it had not been aware of any safety concerns but was investigating claims of previous incidents.

"Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down," it said.

Alec Baldwin film shooting: The crew members on set as actor fatally shot cinematographer - and what they said happened

It is still unclear why the gun fired by Alec Baldwin on the set of Rust contained a projectile. No one has been charged in relation to the shooting, which killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, and authorities are still investigating.

news.sky.com

So again, it's about who knew what and when. Did the people who are now saying things were dangerous make official reports? Why is Hall even allowed to work in the field past cartoon movies given his past incident.

And while it's not in this article I read elsewhere they haven't even determined what type of projectile came out of the gun. Which seems odd given it seems to have hit her, passed through and then hit the guy behind her in the shoulder.

 

[SkyFox76]

I'm good with this. I mean, the producers are responsible for the people who they employed on the set. The person who claimed that was a "cold gun" was hired to make sure that didn't happen.

This was Halls second incident.

The assistant director of Rust, Dave Halls, had been sacked from a previous production over gun safety violations.

Actor Alec Baldwin accidentally shot dead Halyna Hutchins on the set of the Western last week.

The producers of Freedom's Path confirmed to press agency AFP on Monday that Halls had been dismissed in 2019.

It came after a crew member "incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged", the statement said.

Rust: Assistant director had previously been sacked over gun safety

Dave Halls had previously been dismissed from another movie over gun safety violations.

www.bbc.com

 

[tres borrachos]

This was Halls second incident.

The assistant director of Rust, Dave Halls, had been sacked from a previous production over gun safety violations.

Actor Alec Baldwin accidentally shot dead Halyna Hutchins on the set of the Western last week.

The producers of Freedom's Path confirmed to press agency AFP on Monday that Halls had been dismissed in 2019.

It came after a crew member "incurred a minor and temporary injury when a gun was unexpectedly discharged", the statement said.

Rust: Assistant director had previously been sacked over gun safety

Dave Halls had previously been dismissed from another movie over gun safety violations.

www.bbc.com

Holy shit. Then why in the hell was he not banned??

 

[SkyFox76]

So am I. But he hasn't produced it yet.

He admitted it was speculation on his part, so it would seem there is no source that states Baldwin knew.

 

[dcsports]

I'm good with this. I mean, the producers are responsible for the people who they employed on the set. The person who claimed that was a "cold gun" was hired to make sure that didn't happen.

Technically, this was the assistant director, and he was not supposed to do that. He also made a recent statement that he had no idea that the gun was loaded. I'm sure he'll get most of the blame.

 

[trixare4kids]

Technically, this was the assistant director, and he was not supposed to do that. He also made a recent statement that he had no idea that the gun was loaded. I'm sure he'll get most of the blame.

Well, he's the one who told Baldwin, "Cold gun!" He should be getting a lot of blame.

SANTA FE, N.M. — Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set with a gun a crew member had assured the actor was safe, a tragic mistake that came hours after some workers walked off the job to protest conditions and production issues.
An assistant director, Dave Halls, grabbed a prop gun off a cart at a desert movie ranch and handed it to Baldwin during a Thursday rehearsal for the Western film “Rust,” according to court records made public Friday.
“Cold gun,” Halls yelled, declaring the weapon didn’t carry live rounds and was ready to fire.

Alec Baldwin was told gun was ‘cold’ before accidental movie set shooting, film crew voiced complaints before incident

Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set with a gun a crew member had assured the actor was safe, a tragic mistake that came hours after some workers walked off the job …

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[dcsports]

Well, he's the one who told Baldwin, "Cold gun!" He should be getting a lot of blame.

Yes - he yelled 'cold gun' without checking. My point is that it wasn't even his job - he wasn't 'paid to do that', or even trained. Baldwin also shouldn't have accepted the weapon.

Here are the standards for firearms on the sets - very few rules they didn't break. Worth noting that a copy of this bulletin is supposed to be attached to the call sheet each day firearms are used - the idea being that everyone knows the rules.

https://www.csatf.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/01FIREARMS.pdf

 

[Court Jester]

So you think they leave the kids in the car on purpose?

Are you seriously going to suggest that when adult leaves a young child alone in a car, regardless of whether something bad happens to that child while alone and unsupervised in a car. That the adult who was in charge of that child's care may be excused just because they just forgot?

NO, it doesn't work that way, especially with the scenario you posted where a child dies in a hot car. You NEVER leave a small child who is too young to get out of a car and be safe on their own alone in a car. Even if you are just running into a post office for 30 seconds to drop off a letter, you don't leave that child alone.

Why do you insist on excusing the negligent behavior of adults who should know better, including Alec Baldwin?