Russian Stooge Tucker Carlson says that Putin would “never” blow up the Nordstrom pipeline

[Noodlegawd]

Ummm—then he couldn’t blame the West for doing so, could he?

That's not what I was responding to. If that's your theory, make the case for it.

and yourself defending him

Huh? Honesty is not your thing, is it?

 

[Felis Leo]

Huh? Weren't you just arguing that they blew it up to punish the GErmans, make them sue for peace and withdraw their support for the Ukraine? How do they accomplish any of this under you new scenario of "Not us!"

I just said it.

They would never admit to it. They would simply state that they can rebuild it with the Germans, but they would want to come to an understanding. And that understanding would entail Germany halting military shipments through Poland to Ukraine. And the Germans would have to make up their minds quickly, because the days are growing shorter and the nights are growing colder.

Tick. Tock.

 

[watsup]

I have no idea who is responsible. Russia isn’t hollering very loudly.

Russia says it should be part of Nord Stream leaks probe – DW – 10/05/2022

The Kremlin has called for Russia's participation in investigations into last week's explosions in the two Nord Stream gas pipelines. Meanwhile, Estonia's defense minister recommended a NATO "submarine policing" program.

www.dw.com

Putin Wants Us to Believe U.S. Is Blowing up Gas Pipeline

Putin Wants Us to Believe U.S. Is Blowing up Gas Pipeline

The Russian embassy pointed to U.S. Navy exercises involving “underwater explosives.”

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Felis Leo]

Putin accuses West of blowing up pipelines as Europe steps up vigilance

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday blamed the United States and its allies for blowing up the undersea Nord Stream pipelines, raising the temperature in a crisis that has left Europe racing to its energy infrastructure and supplies.

www.reuters.com

That is not the blood-chilling, outraged bellicosity of a tyrannical militaristic nation whose vital civilian infrastructure was attacked by a foreign power. Unevidenced, mendacious finger-pointing and red herrings is just Tuesday for Vladimir Putin and the Russian Foreign Ministry.

 

[watsup]

They blew up their own pipeline as a distraction. Really? That's the best you could do?

Because you are such a great fan of defending Putin, it’s quite clear that you have no idea just how devious and evil he truly is. The Russian people were up in arms about his reserve call-up and the defeats in Ukraine. He wants very much to turn their attention elsewhere. Wag the dog.

 

[Rawley]

I just said it.

They would never admit to it. They would simply state that they can rebuild it with the Germans, but they would want to come to an understanding. And that understanding would entail Germany halting military shipments through Poland to Ukraine. And the Germans would have to make up their minds quickly, because the days are growing shorter and the nights are growing colder.

Tick. Tock.

Do you think Gazprom's business partners would have any say in this scheme?

 

[Luce]

Putin hasn't been rational for at least 6 months.

 

[Helix]

Who blew up the pipeline isn't a big mystery. The US gains jack shit from doing it, while Russia gains a pathetic false flag claim that I doubt even tuck tuck believes.

 

[watsup]

Do you think Gazprom's business partners would have any say in this scheme?

He will simply have then pushed out of a window or poisoned if they complain. That is the Putin way.

 

[Rawley]

Because you are such a great fan of defending Putin, it’s quite clear that you have no idea just how devious and evil he truly is. The Russian people were up in arms about his reserve call-up and the defeats in Ukraine. He wants very much to turn their attention elsewhere. Wag the dog.

LOL Don't get all personal on me just because the theory you are spewing here makes absolutely no sense.

 

[watsup]

LOL Don't get all personal on me just because the theory you are spewing here makes absolutely no sense.

What’s “personal” about it. Is it or is it not quite clear that you and Tucker are yet again carrying water for
Putin? The only question is why? Tucker does it to make millions of dollars a year, but why on Earth would you want to parrot his Putin propaganda?

 

[Mr Person]

I don’t get it. What does Tucker Carlson get out of carrying for water for Putin? Do his viewers believe what he says in that regard? Is there an entire subculture of the FOX viewership that have become apologists for Putin, no matter how brutal invasion of and war crimes in Ukraine? No, I don’t get it. What are they gaining?

Trump looks up to Putin and gives him what he wants, while Carlson needs to appeal to Trumpists. Guess what they want: whatever Trump wants.

 

[Mr Person]

He could have the same effect by simply turning it off.

Other than that there's a much better reason not to reopen it if "someone else" blew it up. He already did threaten to turn off gas for the winter. Felis has answered the bullshit in this regard in more detail.

 

[Felis Leo]

Do you think Gazprom's business partners would have any say in this scheme?

It is a gambit. It might not succeed. But either way, it benefits Russia.

If Germany capitulates, Russia gets a valuable trading partner back, aid to Ukraine is squeezed, and Vladimir Putin can brag that he broke the Western Alliance.

If Germany refuses to capitulate, the German economy is ruined because not only will they have have cheap energy again (unless the Greens all jump off a bridge and they restart their nuclear reactors), but the German economy is weakened because their heavy industry relied on cheap Russian gas as a petrochemical input for most of their manufacturing. Germany going into a recession hurts the European Union, which would suit Russia just fine.

 

[Rawley]

What’s “personal” about it. Is it or is it not quite clear that you and Tucker are yet again carrying water for
Putin? The only question is why? Tucker does it to make millions of dollars a year, but why on Earth would you want to parrot his Putin propaganda?

Nah nothing personal in your argument. LOL

Have a nice day

 

[Rawley]

It is a gambit. It might not succeed. But either way, it benefits Russia.

If Germany capitulates, Russia gets a valuable trading partner back, aid to Ukraine is squeezed, and Vladimir Putin can brag that he broke the Western Alliance.

If Germany refuses to capitulate, the German economy is ruined because not only will they have have cheap energy again (unless the Greens all jump off a bridge and they restart their nuclear reactors), but German industry is weakened because their heavy industry relied on cheap Russian gas as a petrochemical input for most of their manufacturing. Germany going into a recession hurts the European Union, which would suit Russia just fine.

I'm losing you on Putin's scheme. He extorts Germany that if they don't withdraw support for the Ukraine, the pipeline is never getting fixed? What's to stop the European partners from fixing the pipeline?

 

[Noodlegawd]

Other than that there's a much better reason not to reopen it if "someone else" did it. He already did threaten to turn off gas for the winter.

It's not much of a threat if he doesn't take credit for following through on it.

I can just see this technique working with my kids:

"Do your homework or you're not going to the high school dance!"

[School cancels dance because of Covid]

"See, I told you what would happen if you don't do your homework!!!"

 

[Felis Leo]

I'm losing you on Putin's scheme. He extorts Germany that if they don't withdraw support for the Ukraine, the pipeline is never getting fixed? What's to stop the European partners from fixing the pipeline?

I do not see how they could without the Russians' cooperation. And there are any number of excuses they could come up with as to why they would be regrettably unable to cooperate. Much as they would like to under better circumstances.

 

[Felis Leo]

It's not much of a threat if he doesn't take credit for following through on it.

I can just see this technique working with my kids:

"Do your homework or you're not going to the high school dance!"

[School cancels dance because of Covid]

"See, I told you what would happen if you don't do your homework!!!"

The Russian government has very rarely issued direct threats or taken credit for acts that were clearly committed by agents of their government.

They are masters of the oblique.

 

[Rawley]

I do not see how they could without the Russians' cooperation.

The leaks are in Sweden and Denmark waters

 

[watsup]

It's not much of a threat if he doesn't take credit for following through on it.

I can just see this technique working with my kids:

"Do your homework or you're not going to the high school dance!"

[School cancels dance because of Covid]

"See, I told you what would happen if you don't do your homework!!!"

See post #28.

 

[watsup]

The leaks are in Sweden and Denmark waters

And they noted that there’were Russian ships in the area around the time of the explosions.

 

[Noodlegawd]

See post #28.

No thanks, I've had enough of the nonsense that spills out of your keyboard to not need to go looking for more.

 

[Felis Leo]

The leaks are in Sweden and Denmark waters

Indeed. But there are no small number of things the Russians could probably do to thwart repair efforts. Including just having their Baltic Fleet stopping repair ships from coming near their pipeline to "sabotage" it further.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Tucker - and his fans - hate the republic and want a dictator.

That's all the reason he needs.

They do until they get one. They should probably be careful what they wish for.