Russian Collusion: Trump's Flips and Flops

[calamity]

Nice summary below showing us exactly why Trump is as guilty as a ten year old who broke the basement window but refuses to admit it. Nothing says "I am lying" more than a changing story.

How Team Trump keeps changing its story in the Russia investigation

Over the past two years, President Donald Trump and his team have offered changing accounts regarding key matters in the Russia investigation. Their denials have been debunked, Trump has contradicted his senior aides and sometimes his team has completely flipped its position.

I always thought that Nixon was over the top when he nuked the Vietnam era Paris peace talks and then denied it. But, that was over 50 years ago. So, this Russian **** is far more serious because it is still current.

 

[Lutherf]

With all the proof you guys have I just don't understand why Trump isn't in jail right now.

The only thing I can think of is that you guys are using Trump as a distraction to cover your own coordination with anti-American interests. If you really wanted to put Trump away it would be done by now but, for some reason or other, you'd rather have him in the White House than in the Big House.

 

[Slyfox696]

With all the proof you guys have I just don't understand why Trump isn't in jail right now.

For the same reason it always takes time to bring down mafia bosses. :shrug:

To be clear, I'm not explicitly saying Trump is a mob boss, I'm just using the example to highlight the stupidity in your post.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

You're still peddling the Russia narrative? :lamo

 

[Slyfox696]

You're still peddling the Russia narrative? :lamo

You mean the one where every American (and numerous foreign, as well) intelligence agency agrees the Russia government interfered in our election to the direct benefit of the one candidate whose campaign had numerous and repeated contacts with them, which has already resulted in numerous guilty pleas/verdicts?

That narrative? Yeah, those of us who actually love America are still concerned. Why aren't you?

 

[Lutherf]

For the same reason it always takes time to bring down mafia bosses. :shrug:

To be clear, I'm not explicitly saying Trump is a mob boss, I'm just using the example.

The reason it takes time to take down a Gotti is because you have to get proof. With Trump you've got all the proof you could ever ask for! I hear about it all day every day. Rachael Maddow has outlined more proof than Mueller could ever imagine. Chris Cuomo has exposed countless crimes. Don Lemon and Lawrence O'Donnell have given background on hundreds of felonies Trump has committed. High level government officials such as Brennan and Comey have expounded on the crimes Trump has committed. At this point Trump has been proved to be more guilty than El Chapo but, for whatever reason, you guys have no desire to act on all that evidence...all the PROOF! Why not?

I've told you why not and it's the ONLY reasonable answer. You guys are using Trump to cover up your own crimes. You're scared to death he's going to rat you out.

 

[Slyfox696]

The reason it takes time to take down a Gotti is because you have to get proof.

No, you have to be able to present evidence to get a jury to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. This includes documents, witnesses, etc. Those things take time to get, especially when several of the witnesses have lied to investigators.

Your hyperbole is noted and dismissed. Try to discuss maturely.

EDIT: You also have to remember the size of the scope of the investigation. As has been noted in numerous media reports and by the Senate Intelligence chairman, this investigation extends beyond simply Russia. So that takes time as well.

I've told you why not and it's the ONLY reasonable answer. You guys are using Trump to cover up your own crimes. You're scared to death he's going to rat you out.

I have committed no crimes. What the hell are you talking about?

 

[calamity]

With all the proof you guys have I just don't understand why Trump isn't in jail right now.

The only thing I can think of is that you guys are using Trump as a distraction to cover your own coordination with anti-American interests. If you really wanted to put Trump away it would be done by now but, for some reason or other, you'd rather have him in the White House than in the Big House.

For much the same reason he was elected—a lot of stupid people have his back

 

[calamity]

You're still peddling the Russia narrative? :lamo

Denial is human nature...but it can also lead to being run over by a train.

 

[Mach]

At this point Trump has been proved to be more guilty than El Chapo but, for whatever reason, you guys have no desire to act on all that evidence...all the PROOF! Why not?

DOJ policy is that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

You really didn't know this? Glad I could help!

I've told you why not and it's the ONLY reasonable answer. You guys are using Trump to cover up your own crimes. You're scared to death he's going to rat you out.

Scared Trump is gonna "rat us out" for our crimes? That's some serious conspiracy theory nonsense. You've gone off the deep end for sure Lutherf, how sad.

 

[Common Sense 1]

Nice summary below showing us exactly why Trump is as guilty as a ten year old who broke the basement window but refuses to admit it. Nothing says "I am lying" more than a changing story.

How Team Trump keeps changing its story in the Russia investigation




I always thought that Nixon was over the top when he nuked the Vietnam era Paris peace talks and then denied it. But, that was over 50 years ago. So, this Russian **** is far more serious because it is still current.

Denial is human nature...but it can also lead to being run over by a Trump. Resist we much must!! :lamo

 

[Yakshi]

I haven’t seen a conservative response to Russian collusion that didn’t reveal subhuman intellect of the deflecting conservative.

 

[ecofarm]

I have committed no crimes. What the hell are you talking about?

Scared Trump is gonna "rat us out" for our crimes? That's some serious conspiracy theory nonsense. You've gone off the deep end for sure Lutherf, how sad.

 

[calamity]

I haven’t seen a conservative response to Russian collusion that didn’t reveal subhuman intellect of the deflecting conservative.

Pretty much sums up their arguments on about 95% of the other subjects out there as well. But, yeah. The Right Winger's denial of Trump conspiring with the Russians goes way beyond. But, then again, Trumpers have always reminded me of someone who would buy a house from the guy who just ripped them off on the car they just bought.

 

[lwf]

With all the proof you guys have I just don't understand why Trump isn't in jail right now.

It's not proof, it's mens rea: Trump has a guilty mind. If there is proof of actus reus, a guilty act, then the combination will send him to jail. Mens rea alone is not sufficient legal proof of a crime. It is, however, sufficient proof in the court of public opinion. That's why your mom can ground you without actually proving that you broke the window. She only needs to see mens rea. The justice system requires both mens rea and proof of actus reus.

The absence of proof that Trump committed a crime is not evidence of his innocence.

 

[calamity]

It's not proof, it's mens rea: Trump has a guilty mind. If there is proof of actus reus, a guilty act, then the combination will send him to jail. Mens rea alone is not sufficient legal proof of a crime. It is, however, sufficient proof in the court of public opinion. That's why your mom can ground you without actually proving that you broke the window. She only needs to see mens rea. The justice system requires both mens rea and proof of actus reus.

The absence of proof that Trump committed a crime is not evidence of his innocence.

Prosecutors use that the defendants changed their stories against them in trials all the time. Law 101

 

[lwf]

Prosecutors use that the defendants changed their stories against them in trials all the time. Law 101

Mens rea is absolutely required. Mens rea is not sufficient in itself.

In my opinion, Trump's guilt is as plain as the white circles around his eyes due to his changing stories and non-stop lying. I have yet to see enough evidence to convict him of a crime, though it is quite possible that such evidence exists and is under the protection of the special counsel. In any case, acting guilty, changing your story, and lying is not enough to convict. A crime must be evident and connected to your actions. It looks bad for him, but there is yet to be made public that crucial piece of evidence that connects him to the crimes his employees are being charged with.

 

[noonereal]

With all the proof you guys have I just don't understand why Trump isn't in jail right now.

Then you don't have a rudimentary understanding of law or the power of the presidency.

Any other individual,who was not political and president would most definitely be in jail already and have more charges coming/.

 

[Lutherf]

You guys kill me.

Under no circumstances will you say "Y'know, we don't really have proof. All we have are suspicions. Even our evidence is too thin to do anything with, legally."

If you people were the least bit honest about this Trump investigation I'd have to give you some credit but you aren't and I won't.

 

[Slyfox696]

You guys kill me.

Under no circumstances will you say "Y'know, we don't really have proof. All we have are suspicions. Even our evidence is too thin to do anything with, legally."

You can find numerous pieces of evidence on this forum and other places and numerous people have explained how the legal process works (to you here and in other places).

Your statement here is simply a lie.

 

[Grokmaster]

Nice summary below showing us exactly why Trump is as guilty as a ten year old who broke the basement window but refuses to admit it. Nothing says "I am lying" more than a changing story.

How Team Trump keeps changing its story in the Russia investigation




I always thought that Nixon was over the top when he nuked the Vietnam era Paris peace talks and then denied it. But, that was over 50 years ago. So, this Russian **** is far more serious because it is still current.

 

[calamity]

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[calamity]

You guys kill me.

Under no circumstances will you say "Y'know, we don't really have proof. All we have are suspicions. Even our evidence is too thin to do anything with, legally."

If you people were the least bit honest about this Trump investigation I'd have to give you some credit but you aren't and I won't.

Right because liars should always be believed when they lie

 

[Fletch]

Pretty much sums up their arguments on about 95% of the other subjects out there as well. But, yeah. The Right Winger's denial of Trump conspiring with the Russians goes way beyond. But, then again, Trumpers have always reminded me of someone who would buy a house from the guy who just ripped them off on the car they just bought.

In order for you to prove your collusion Trutherism, all you need to do is show me the head of a single conspirator. Take your time...

 

[Fletch]

DOJ policy is that a sitting president cannot be indicted.

You really didn't know this? Glad I could help!

So he cant indict Trump, but why hasnt he indicted anyone else for colluding with Russia? You cant have a conspiracy without conspirators. Who are they? Why havent they been indicted yet?

Scared Trump is gonna "rat us out" for our crimes? That's some serious conspiracy theory nonsense. You've gone off the deep end for sure Lutherf, how sad.

Its every bit as reasonable as the **** and bull collusion story youve fallen for.