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Neo Nazis?
This would appear to be pro Russian propaganda during a time of great turmoil for the Ukrainian people. While preferring free media, having Russian celebrations concerning the annexation of Ukrainian territory may not be the sort of propaganda the Ukrainian people need just now, especially when there are further threats of incursions still existing.
Clinton tried a similar distraction. It did not work.
No, they don't.
No, it doesn't.
I think that were I a Ukrainian, I may well have participated in the action against the Yanukovich régime, but I wouldn't have pretended that what we were engaged in was democratic in itself. It was an undemocratic means to a democratic end. Having said that, there seems to be a wide stream of Ukrainian nationalist thinking whose commitment to democratic principles is shaky at best.
So Obama has created a Ukrainian crisis for the purposes of distracting from his domestic woes. There's a forum for such theories.
How can an illegitimate government, who took control through a violent coup, evicting the elected president, approve anything. Your sense of reason is troubled.
we did want any of his remians to become a shrine for his martyrdom.
Speaking of which...
[video]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26653295[/video]
It's events like this that make you think that Putin's claims about neo-Nazis being behind the coup may have some substance.
You do understand that drones flying out of Ukraine means the CIA has boots on the ground in Ukraine, or do you not know that the CIA runs the drone program? Who'd a thunk it, eh? In Ukraine? USAID. NED. Freedom House. NGOs up the wazoo. Gosh, what could all that mean?
There's no evidence of any such purge getting under way. That's hyperbole. Invoking the memory of Stalin diminishes your argument considerably."Neo-Nazi?"
What you like is Putin doing another Stalin purge of Tartar Muslims - the only reason 54% of Crimea is "ethic" Russian - after Stalin's purge - estimated to have killed 60% of all Tartar Muslims in Crimea of those "relocated."
You need to take a deep breath and step back. You're getting a bit hysterical. If Putin, or his Crimean acolytes, begin to engage in ethnic cleansing, then I'll be horrified and appalled as anyone else would be. So far, it hasn't happened.So genocide is fine with you, provided it is someone called "a socialist" rather than a "Neo-Nazi."
So far, I don't think anyone has been 'relaocated' by either side.How many people has your so-called illegal Ukraine government "relocated."
That's what powerful nations do to weaker ones. It's not all right and it's not morally justifiable, but powerful nations do invade weaker ones.And explain how conflicts within Ukraine justifies another country seizing part of Crimea declaring they own that territory now?
I don't think the new (illegal, yes) Ukrainian government is run by neo-Nazis, but we can see from the video posted that there are neo-Nazi thugs running around Ukraine seeking to make a power-grab while the going is good. Putin to the rescue? Don't be ridiculous. Putin may not share the ethno-nationalist clap-trap ideology of the likes of Svoboda, but his is a right-wing, authoritarian crypto-fascist régime.If it was "Neo-Nazis" with Putin to the rescue, why did every Jewish organization in Ukraine, including Crimea, sign a letter opposing Putin's actions and asking him to get Russian troops out? Because Jews love Nazi's?
No, but it's clear that you have swallowed, hook, line and sinker, the claims of the coup leaders. Time and actions will tell. Perhaps there will be a proper, open and fair election campaign in the Ukraine in May, but the history of the country suggests that the part of the Ukrainian nationalist movement that revolves around Yulia Tymoshenko are just as given to corruption, electoral fraud and demagoguery as the people they've just ousted. Don't take my word for it, check out what the leader of the Orange Revolution, Viktor Yushchenko says about her.You actually believe Putin, don't you?:roll:
Obama's spectacular fail stands on its own and needs no conspiracy theory. He's losing his game of chicken.
I think the point is more that Crimea is part of the Ukraine, and an ally of the US so what business do the Russians have shooting down our drones in our allies
It certainly trumps Russia's presence, doesn't it?
Do you have support for any of this or do you fantasize your facts?
That's quite clever, coming from a group not well known for their sense of humor.
They are having elections on May 25, 2014. Why get all excited now? The Ukrainians can sort it all out.
The evicted President was corrupt on a scale seldom seen anywhere, except perhaps in Russia.
Viktor Yanukovych boasted of Ukraine corruption, says Mikheil Saakashvili | World news | theguardian.com
Winter Olympics 2014 puts Russia’s corruption
"Neo-Nazi?"
What you like is Putin doing another Stalin purge of Tartar Muslims - the only reason 54% of Crimea is "ethic" Russian - after Stalin's purge - estimated to have killed 60% of all Tartar Muslims in Crimea of those "relocated."
So genocide is fine with you, provided it is someone called "a socialist" rather than a "Neo-Nazi."
How many people has your so-called illegal Ukraine government "relocated."
And explain how conflicts within Ukraine justifies another country seizing part of Crimea declaring they own that territory now?
If it was "Neo-Nazis" with Putin to the rescue, why did every Jewish organization in Ukraine, including Crimea, sign a letter opposing Putin's actions and asking him to get Russian troops out? Because Jews love Nazi's?
You actually believe Putin, don't you?:roll:
Again w/the "our". What's w/posters these days?
They are not our drones. We have no control over them. They are the govt.'s drones.
They are purchased by OUR government using OUR money, they are OURS.
He is only doing as he is told.
Like his predecessor, he is a sock puppet, advancing the agenda of those behind the curtains.
The last POTUS to be contrary to the powers-that-be caught a few rounds while riding in a convertible.
They are purchased by OUR government using OUR money, they are OURS.
Again w/the "our". What's w/posters these days?
They are not our drones. We have no control over them. They are the govt.'s drones.
He is only doing as he is told.
Like his predecessor, he is a sock puppet, advancing the agenda of those behind the curtains.
The last POTUS to be contrary to the powers-that-be caught a few rounds while riding in a convertible.
This is a bit too tin foil hat for me.
If that's the case, you'd be pretty disappointed with all of our Presidents. Then again, I think most libertarians would be depressed if they studied more history.
Kennedy? Ha, man, Kennedy was no Taft or Roosevelt (either namesake). The man hardly acted all that against "the powers that be" (the illustrious vague forces "at work" that every other President has had to deal with).
Nuclear weapon theory: didn't convert to the RAND idea (but then again, hardly any leader did), but certainly employed (check our who Bob hired) and entertained their ideas for a great damn long time (unlike his predecessor). Sure Lemay talked with apocalyptic fervor in his smoke-filled lungs, but the dude wasn't much being adhered to to begin with.
Communism: Bought into the domino theory. Quite hawkish. Good for the defense industry.
Civil Rights: Talked the good talk, but did very little follow-through. That's pretty good convenience for another "power," right?
Budgets? Didn't try to bully his way through Congress much for the Democrats all that often.
Cuba? Didn't ask too many questions at first. Didn't like the embarrassment all that much, but the guy was no Grover Cleveland on the matter of intervention and acquisition either.
But yeah, I guess because someone kills him, it's because he was such a change agent. :roll:
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