Royal Caribbean facing calls to boycott due to vaccine requirements

[Callen]

Gbg3 said ( sorry can't quote because it is embedded in another posters post)

" Since most of these "older folks" cruisers are vaccinated, they are no longer worried about getting sick or dying from COVID. As a vaccinated "older folk", I have no reason to worry about getting it or spreading it."'

How do you know most of them are vaccinated given the high numbers saying they won't get vaccinated? According to the last stats, I saw 50% of those over 65 have still not been vaccinated, not even once dose. Which likely explains why they are opening up to those under 65. There isn't the demand they wanted to see in those over 65. Besides which, as an "older folk" myself I am not the least bit worried about getting it. I just don't want to be on a cruise where a bunch of unvaccinated do get it and ruin the cruise for everyone else.

 

[gbg3]

Required vaccination is kind of a no brainer here. No one is forcing vaccine on anyone, but if some idiot wants to get on a cruise ship without being vaccinated and put others at risk, they can FOAD. No one’s life is going to be ‘shut down by mandates’ if they dont go on a cruise.

Moreover, the vaccination requirement should be necessary for any large gathering - music festivals, ballgames, etc. involving over, say 100 people and having a significant indoor component. It will incentivize covidiots to get vaccinated.

Or, a business may suffer financially (too much so) by allowing only vaccinated customers. We'll see how it plays out over the next few years.
As far as vaccine requirements incentivizing some additional people to get vaccinated, I think that is possible/likely. Others opposed to vaccines will remain firm and even some vaccinated people like me will never quit respecting their right to their personal choice. I like this story in that people are stepping up to boycott the "mandatory" concept.

 

[gbg3]

The convenience capitalism is something I find extremely disingenuous. Considering these people that say a private company can do what it wants are the same people that say a baker should be put out of business for refusing to make a cake for a same sex couples wedding.

EXCELLENT point!!!!

 

[CLAX1911]

Just science and reason.

Just seeing the word science doesn't make it science.

Your idiotic phobias are not based on science. Science indicates it's nothing to fear unless you're 90 or in stage 4 lung cancer or in a nursing home in New York

 

[Callen]

Or, a business may suffer financially (too much so) by allowing only vaccinated customers.

You make no sense given on a post just prior to this one you said

" Since most of these "older folks" cruisers are vaccinated

......if most are vaccinated they won't have a problem will they?

 

[beefheart]

Just seeing the word science doesn't make it science.

Your idiotic phobias are not based on science. Science indicates it's nothing to fear unless you're 90 or in stage 4 lung cancer or in a nursing home in New York

I know 2 people that died from it. Ignore science at your own peril.

 

[Callen]

The convenience capitalism is something I find extremely disingenuous. Considering these people that say a private company can do what it wants are the same people that say a baker should be put out of business for refusing to make a cake for a same sex couples wedding.

Nonsense, a cruise line refusing a customer based on their sexual preference is very different from refusing a customer who may cause unnecessary disruption and expense to their business because of disease. Equating the two is not "an EXCELLENT point"

 

[CLAX1911]

I know 2 people that died from it. Ignore science at your own peril.

They probably had something else wrong with them. I already have covid it was a mild cold.

You are ignoring science. But that's no surprise you're in the party of science denial.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

I'm very glad to see this resistance. While I'm fully vaccinated, I don't think anyone should be forced to get the vaccine and I don't think the lives of those who choose not to get it should be practically shut down by mandates.

There is no reason to complain about this. People are not allowed to travel internationally before they are fully vaccinated no matter what kind of trip they are going on for extremely obvious reasons. If people don't want to take COVID-19 vaccines, they don't want to take cruises either. It is that simple.

 

[CLAX1911]

Nonsense, a cruise line refusing a customer based on their sexual preference is very different from refusing a customer who may cause unnecessary disruption and expense to their business because of disease. Equating the two is not "an EXCELLENT point"

I don't care how you rationalize your opinion. My point was they can't do what they want and you supported my point.

 

[trouble13]

You don’t think a transportation business has a right to require certain conditions be met before you travel on their private vehicles?

They can set any requirements they want but that does not mean people have to purchase their product.

 

[trouble13]

There is no reason to complain about this. People are not allowed to travel internationally before they are fully vaccinated no matter what kind of trip they are going on for extremely obvious reasons. If people don't want to take COVID-19 vaccines, they don't want to take cruises either. It is that simple.

IF they tested negative before hand what are you afraid of on a ship. Do you think a seagull is gonna land on deck with it and contaminate the whole ship?

 

[beefheart]

They probably had something else wrong with them. I already have covid it was a mild cold.

You are ignoring science. But that's no surprise you're in the party of science denial.

What an idiotic post. I had covid in June, I still have sinus issues from it.

 

[CLAX1911]

There is no reason to complain about this. People are not allowed to travel internationally before they are fully vaccinated no matter what kind of trip they are going on for extremely obvious reasons. If people don't want to take COVID-19 vaccines, they don't want to take cruises either. It is that simple.

There are people that cannot take the vaccine due to conditions they cannot help.

Telling them they can't go on a cruise is like telling a handicapped person they can't go on a cruise.

 

[Helix]

They absolutely should require vaccination to get on a floating viral incubator. Anti-vax woo woos are still free to swim to wherever they want to go.

 

[CLAX1911]

What an idiotic post.

You being the king of idiotic posts. Your hypocrisy only makes me laugh

I had covid in June, I still have sinus issues from it.

Aww.

 

[Lovebug]

No shoes, no shirt, no service.

 

[Callen]

I don't care how you rationalize your opinion. My point was they can't do what they want and you supported my point

I suppose there is a some sort of logic there but it escapes me.

Royal Carribean ships generally handle between 3 and 6 thousand passengers. Let's say 500 to 1000 of them are unvaccinated, maybe more, maybe less and Covid begins to spread amongst them.....now what does the cruise line do? Quarantine them, cater to them in their cabins, provide medical aid and monitor them, get them to port to hospitals at the inconvenience of other passengers. Think about it! This is not such a simple matter as.....but I have my vaccine I won't get it. Such simple thinking is bordering on stupid thinking

 

[beefheart]

You being the king of idiotic posts. Your hypocrisy only makes me laugh Aww.

Yeah, but its nothing compared to the people I know that died from it.

Sorry that you can't be responsible during a pandemic.

 

[CLAX1911]

I suppose there is a some sort of logic there but it escapes me.

The point is very very simple

All the extra typing you are doing isn't necessary. The staining isn't necessary.

 

[Callen]

The point is very very simple

All the extra typing you are doing isn't necessary. The staining isn't necessary.

Uh, OK........but you are right your point is simple, very simple indeed.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yeah, but its nothing compared to the people I know that died from it.

I'm sorry people you know died from it. It's survival rate however is extremely high.

Sorry that you can't be responsible during a pandemic.

You stupidly made this assumption before.
This virus dies with me. I'm not spreading it to anybody.

You people have a habit making everybody you disagree with into Boogeymen.

 

[CLAX1911]

Uh, OK........but you are right the point is simple, very simple.

They can't do whatever they want. If you didn't say that they could maybe you should read the entire conversation before you enter it.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

If they tested negative beforehand what are you afraid of on a ship. Do you think a seagull is gonna land on deck with it and contaminate the whole ship?

Are you kidding me? There is no way to know everyone onboard would still test negative throughout the cruise. Some Royal Caribbean ships carry 4,000 passengers.

 

[BlueTex]

They can set any requirements they want but that does not mean people have to purchase their product.

It seems pretty clear they don't WANT you as a customer without a vaccine.. Maybe it's an intelligence test disguised as a public health requirement...