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Most of the people here bashing Reagan either weren't born or weren't old enough to understand what was going on prior to Reagan taking office. These people haven't a clue as to what it was like trying to buy a home with double digit interest rates or double digit inflation. Doesn't matter to them because it is all about the debt. I will take the Reagan debt in a heartbeat over the Obama debt he is creating. Obama will create double the debt in 2 years than Reagan created in 8 and the people aren't even getting a kiss while being screwed.
Just about every poll ever taken puts FDR near the top!
And he is the only president ever reelected 3 times.
So the majority of people of his own time as well as the majority since then consider him one of the best presidents.
I guess you are the exception to the rule.
Go back a few more years....back when we were a creditor nation instead of a debtor nation, back when Wall Street was run by fewer crooks, and politicians weren't quite so corrupt....
Really? How old were you when Carter was President? Think home interest rates of 20 percent shows a country in good shape and we are in worse shape now? How about your dollar being basically worthless then, oh, wait, that is happening now.
Your posts show a young individual who reads books but doesn't understand what he read. The actual facts are there for you to see and what those numbers led to. If things weren't that bad Carter would have gotten re-elected but didn't. Ask your textbooks why?
You and others are the ones emotional. You like Carter because of what you read now, Habitat for Humanity, but ignore the economic policy that created the mess that led to Reagan.
You are the one that actually ignores the Bush policies that created 5 trillion dollar GDP Growth and more tax revenue to the govt and paid for 9/11 and three major hurricanes along with fighting two wars to keep your butt safe.
You are the one that lives in another world where feelings trump facts and reality. One of these days you are going to realize how lucky you were to have Bush in the WH. Although we will never know, I do know that Reagan style economics which Bush would have implemented would have us out of this mess by nowl It took Reagan almost three years to get us out of the Carter mess and he did it by empowering people and the private sector. Three years from now we will be in a worse mess because of the massive growth of govt. and massive debt created without anything in the private sector to show for it.
I wish you and others like you would pay closer attention to what is actually going on instead of buying what you are reading from the press
Ronald Reagan was a good President, when I was 10 I had a really big crush on him as President and I wrote the White House telling him how my school class had a mock election and that I voted for him. Ronald Reagan wrote me back on white house paper and also sent me a glossy of himself. I really love Ronald Reagan no President has been as good since Ronald Reagan....although I wouldn't mind Mitt Romeny or Ron Paul for our next President. Also Ronald Reagan was a good actor too.
Politicians have always been corrupt.
Welcome to the real world. Isn't about time you people stopped defending them just because you like their Ass?
And there's one reason, and only one reason, the nation is in debt: the unconstitutional socialist programs you people keep demanding.
Here's an idea: When you next see a poor man and want to help him, don't demand the government whip out their machine guns and steal money for him, dig into your own wallet instead. That way there won't be any debt, and for once in your life you can feel useful instead of guilty.
They have enough power to obstruct every meaningful bill that Congress and the Senate try to pass. The Dems need to stop waiting for that bi-partisan support and push bills thru. The Repukes have no intention of helping the Dems and Obama to create anything they can hold up as a trophy for the next election.
What IS obvious is two things. 1) YOU don't know how Congress works and bills are passed. 2) You haven't been watching, or accepting, how the Repukes have been behaving for the last year.
shut up and pay your taxes, you cheapskate
and you blame Romney for losing Kennedy's senate seat?
Wow, just wow....:shock:
And the point of polling ignorant people is...?
The consensus of FDR being rated higher than Reagan was the same among scholars, as the Historical Ranking showed.
You seem to put a lot of faith in the historical ranking of Presidents. I wasn't alive during FDR days nor were you Yet he seems to be a hero of yours. He was the father of the most massive increase in govt. and entitlement programs in this history of this country.
That obviously impacted a lot of people who obviously like SS which is almost bankrupt but a non partisan objective view of his Administration shows the programs that have created most of the debt we have today. It is easy to ignore that reality but ignoring it doesn't change it.
Reagan had a different way of motivating people and quite frankly I prefer that way
Yes, I do put a lot of faith in the facts. And the fact is the Historical Ranking of Presidents I referred to represents most of the polls on the the subject through the years by scholars and the public. FDR is consistently placed at a higher ranking than Reagan.
That is the reality, and you have provided nothing to disprove it.
Why do I want to disprove it. I don't put the faith in rankings that you do but you do have the uncanny ability to misread even the rankings you posted. Reagan is now in the top 10 which of course you ignore.
you also ignore the BEA and BLS numbers posted and the question is why?
Here we are 20-30 years later and you are still distorting the Reagan record. The fact that you are doing that proves to me that he did a lot right. He wasn't perfect but neither was FDR.
FDR put into motion debt we are growing every year and established the entitlement mentality. Reagan reversed that to a point which apparently is what really irritates you.
So in addition to being able to ignore all the polling that has been posted that ranks FDR higher than Reagan, which you have provided nothing to refute it, you have now it seems convinced yourself that Reagan somehow lowered the national debt, when in reality, he tripled it.
So what do you win with a President who you didn't know, weren't around to see, and is ranked higher than Reagan? What purpose does this whole line of thought serve?
It serves the purpose of showing that FDR's policies are more highly regarded than Reagan's.
By whom?
Historians and other scholars who study history and president's effect on the present.
By whom?
Historians and other scholars who study history and president's effect on the present.
No question about it, much of the debt we have today is based upon FDR programs yet as concerned as you are about the debt you ignore that. You have the double standards that just show your lack of credibility.
By whom?
Historians and other scholars who study history and president's effect on the present.
What you don't seem to understand is both FDR and Reagan had entirely different management and govt. styles. Which one do you agree with and believe had a grasp on the original intent of our Founders?
Historians and scholars are all over the board regarding Presidential Preferences. Why do you buy what they tell you but more importantly what do you believe is the role of Govt?
Ask these scholars and you will get many different ideas and ideals. Do these people speak for you and if so why?
No question about it, much of the debt we have today is based upon mismanagement of FDR programs yet as concerned as you are about the debt you ignore that. You have the double standards that just show your lack of credibility.
SS and Medicare helped create the middle class. The projected insolvency problems are a function of the mismanagement of the trust funds by both parties and skyrocketing medical costs. That is why Al Gore suggested the locked box, but we decided to pick a president we would like to have a beer with instead.
Was that beer worth it?
What you don't seem to understand is both FDR and Reagan had entirely different management and govt. styles. Which one do you agree with and believe had a grasp on the original intent of our Founders?
Historians and scholars are all over the board regarding Presidential Preferences.
Why do you buy what they tell you but more importantly what do you believe is the role of Govt?
[QUOTE said:Catawba;1058545296]I understand the differences perfectly. As with historians, I rank FDR higher, because like the forefathers he was concerned about what was best for our future, whereas Reagan's policies were focused on short-term profits of some.
No they are not, as I have shown, they consistently rate FDR higher than Reagan.
The scholars ranking of the presidents is based on the role of government and lack of corruption. That is why the scholars and I believe FDR ranked higher than Reagan
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