Montecresto
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Remember that time you grossly exaggerated what that federal judge said about NSA?
Oh lol. Why did you think I was scared if you were going to react so negatively when I called you scared? You don't like it?
Oh lol. Why did you think I was scared if you were going to react so negatively when I called you scared? You don't like it?
I was unaware that standing for the rights of people meant I was scared of something. I will be sure to tell every freedom fighter throughout history they were scared.
Not at all. Shall I post it again?
Hahaha! In your opinion it is. That doesn't make it a fact, and a great many constitutional scholars, to include federal judges, disagree with you.
It's like some of you are physically unable to understand that your opinion didn't necessarily equal a fact.
So it's not fear that drives people to support the government knowing everything about their citizens?
It is a FACT that the government breaks the law as it pleases. That is not an opinion, that is a fact.
For example, just in the past few months James Clapper got up there in front of Congress and under oath, and lied right through is teeth. And he was not charged with perjury.
Recall that Martha Stewart went to prison for perjury.
Was it a classified meeting?
Uhhh...knows everything about their citizens? Is that what you're calling metadata storage? loooool
Uhhh...knows everything about their citizens? Is that what you're calling metadata storage? loooool
You are justifying the means to the ends. He badly damaged the reputation of the country, he stole secrets, he fled to two of our enemies (and yes, Russia and China don't like us). While I am in agreement the NSA stuff is bad... Two wrongs don't make a right. Think about this, he left the USA because the "Government is spying!" and he landed in China and Russia...
The irony there is palpable.
Hahaha okay, well you don't like intelligence agencies. Cool. Unfortunately they're necessary. And he hurt the US by sharing details of them.
'Former Congressman Ron Paul has launched a petition to attempt to garner clemency for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The "Demand Clemency for Edward Snowden" petition includes the clip below, Paul calls on supporters to sign the petition in an attempt to bring Snowden home to the US safely before his temporary visa in Russia expires in July.
On the heels of his son Rand Paul's lawsuit against the Obama nd the NSA seeking to stop its collection of phone metadata, Ron Paul states "Edward Snowden shocked the world when he exposed the NSA’s illegal and abusive spying program. Instead of applauding him for his bravery and patriotism, the U.S. government labels Snowden a traitor."
By signing this petition, Paul notes on his Channel's website, "you are telling the US government that Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment."'
Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden | Zero Hedge
Good, he should be. In the era of fear mongering and monolithic growth of government, we need people to come forward and report on government transgression. Necessary part to keep the Republic.
The difference between a criminal and one who is not might be whether one follows the law in regards to handling issues with classified documents. If he had issue with the contents of those documents, there is a procedure to follow that would not make him a criminal. He chose instead to be one.
'Former Congressman Ron Paul has launched a petition to attempt to garner clemency for NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The "Demand Clemency for Edward Snowden" petition includes the clip below, Paul calls on supporters to sign the petition in an attempt to bring Snowden home to the US safely before his temporary visa in Russia expires in July.
On the heels of his son Rand Paul's lawsuit against the Obama nd the NSA seeking to stop its collection of phone metadata, Ron Paul states "Edward Snowden shocked the world when he exposed the NSA’s illegal and abusive spying program. Instead of applauding him for his bravery and patriotism, the U.S. government labels Snowden a traitor."
By signing this petition, Paul notes on his Channel's website, "you are telling the US government that Mr. Snowden deserves the right to come home without the fear of persecution or imprisonment."'
Ron Paul Launches Clemency Petition For Edward Snowden | Zero Hedge
No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.
There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.
Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.
Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
"protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.
No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.
There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.
Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.
Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
"protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.
OK, this is going to be really complex and hard to understand, but try and stay with me...the laws have changed since 1971. *GASP* Who would have thought that would happen...
Good because Snowden informed and confirmed to us all that our government has become an authoritarian Orwellian police state.... I think that is information any informed US citizen would like to know about..
The man is a patriot.....
No there wasn't. Daniel Ellsberg sought out a way and he failed too. However, he had a great deal of liberal and Democratic support.
There also is the bizarre nature of the NYT could print what they knew was classified and claim immunity of the press (when there is no immunity to reporters concerning classified information), while pursuing Snowden. Snowden didn't publicize the material, the press did.
Moreover, since they way Snowden released it was to "report" it to the newspaper, putting him into the role of a "reporter." The government now doesn't go after the newspaper because that is a hell of a battle, so instead they just go after him because he's a little guy.
Finally, if he had exposed unconstitutional actions by the government he not only had NOT broken the law, he had complied with the law as I am confident he had taken an oath to
"protect and defend that Constitution." He took no oath to protect and defend the NSA. Also, statutory law is inferior to constitutional law. In a showdown between the Constitution and a statutory law, the Constitution always wins under rule of law.
So manning is a traitor according to conservaties, snowden is a patriot according to you.
Glad we know where YOU stand.
I'll say Manning AND Snowden are traitors.
I thought Nick said Snowden is a patriot!
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