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Romney sets the record straight, a Republican with principles

Quag said:
Nope RINOs are the trumpster. They have taken control and have no reason
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The era of sensible Republicans is over.

Trumpco's shit was a deal breaker for rank and file GOP members who left.
The ones who remain in the GOP are almost entirely Trumpco customers.

The politicians, politicos, and players in the party have an allegiance to getting their bead buttered.
While most of the GOP are Trumpco customers, the butter comes from Trumpco.
Their allegiance is to the butter and the buttering, not to Trumpco though.
 
Hypothetical said:
MOST americans DO actually support his agenda
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His "agenda"....wtf is that?
Gigantic tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy and multinational corporations....making REALLY stupid Tweets that sound like an 8 year old, says really dumb stuff about Mexicans being "vermin" and "infesting" places (thats Hitleresque talk)....
Never repealed ObamaCare™ and never provided any better healthcare, never did infrastructure, didnt withdraw any troops.
What "agenda"? The agenda of padding his own pockets and fleecing his rubes.
Good lord this country is DOOMED.
-smh-
 
"Principles"....LOL. I dont know if I'd say that exactly.

"Corporations ARE people my friends!!!":D:eek:



I will give Romney credit for at least not drinking the Kook Aid and becoming a trumptard. Only a complete iddjutt would do something like that IMO.
But its a bad place we've come to when you have to give a high ranking government representative props and kudos for not being batschitt cray cray.
 
Hypothetical said:
BZZZT wrong. His agenda was lower taxes for the american people to get the economy steamrolling, actually enforcing border policy, balancing the trade deficit to our advantage, staving off inflation, keeping the country going during covid, tough foreign policy with regards to China and other countries and getting a vaccine as quickly as possible.

all great goals. his fault was that his bull headed way of going about it could be manipulated by the media to make him look bad while doing it, and his overly aggressive and egotistical personality that makes him unlikeable a lot of the time.

but know this... Biden is NOT garnering support for your side at this time, believe me.

and as you say... if Romney supports that same agenda , then I like Romney.
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Trump's problem is that he doesn't care about the Constitution and the Rule of Law. All the commentary about his egotistical personality and rude behavior is irrelevant. Trump's main problem is he is basically a corrupt thug who consistently put his own interests above that of our Republic's interests. Trump supporters either don't understand this, due to a lack of civics education, lack of basic legal training, and a lack of leadership training, and a lack socialization in those fields, which are things that the upper middle class and upper class are usually inculcated with, AND/OR Trump supporters just don't care about the ideas that form the basis of our Republic (they may be authoritarians who do not care about the ideas necessary to make modern liberal democracies work). A person can also acquire this knowledge through experience. For instance, there are 3,000+ counties in the U.S., each county needs a variety of individuals to help govern it. And everyone who helps make government function, at any level, usually learns about how to do things right. They learn about the law. They learn about ethics in government. And so on.

I have become painfully aware over the years that Trump supporters have zero understanding of proper ethical behavior within government. They have no idea that many of the things Trump has done are things that should never be done at any level of government. And I think that mostly results from a sheer lack of knowledge and/or experience about how government works. I write or say, "Well, it's not okay to steer government contracts to your friends because that money is taxpayer money and it's your responsibility to make sure the office you're responsible for spends money in a responsible way..." And they say, "LOL SO WHAT HAHAHAH STUPID LIB!!! HAHAH ROFL LOL MAGA! TDS TDS TDS! Where's muh BEER?!?! LETS GO BRANDON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
 
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W_Heisenberg said:
Trump's problem is that he doesn't care about the Constitution and the Rule of Law. All the commentary about his egotistical personality and rude behavior is irrelevant. Trump's main problem is he is basically a corrupt thug who consistently put his own interests above that of our Republic's interests. Trump supporters either don't understand this, due to a lack of civics education, lack of basic legal training, and a lack of leadership training, and a lack socialization in those fields, which are things that the upper middle class and upper class are usually inculcated with, AND/OR Trump supporters just don't care about the ideas that form the basis of our Republic (they may be authoritarians who do not care about the ideas necessary to make modern liberal democracies work). A person can also acquire this knowledge through experience. For instance, there are 3,000+ counties in the U.S., each county needs a variety of individuals to help govern it. And everyone who helps make government function, at any level, usually learns about how to do things right. They learn about the law. They learn about ethics in government. And so on.

I have become painfully aware over the years that Trump supporters have zero understanding of proper ethical behavior within government. They have no idea that many of the things Trump has done are things that should never be done at any level of government. And I think that mostly results from a sheer lack of knowledge and/or experience about how government works. I write or say, "Well, it's not okay to steer government contracts to your friends because that money is taxpayer money and it's your responsibility to make sure the office you're responsible for spends money in a responsible way..." And they say, "LOL SO WHAT HAHAHAH STUPID LIB!!! HAHAH ROFL LOL MAGA! TDS TDS TDS! Where's muh BEER?!?! LETS GO BRANDON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
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A dump truck load of sanctimonious BS about how bad Trump supporters are at choosing leaders and the half senile, incompetent stuffed suit you people elected is one of the worst presidents ever.
Haha. Open your eyes, man.
 
Grandpappy said:
A dump truck load of sanctimonious BS about how bad Trump supporters are at choosing leaders and the half senile, incompetent stuffed suit you people elected is one of the worst presidents ever.
Haha. Open your eyes, man.
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As opposed to the guy you elected.

These anonymized scores are then averaged to produce a list of presidents ranked from best to worst. The fourth such report card, published this week, considers all 44 presidents no longer in office: from George Washington, who maintained his number 2 position, to Donald J. Trump, who debuted at a dismal 41st place.

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Who Were the Best and Worst Presidents Ever—and How Do Historians Decide?

C-SPAN's 2021 ranking places Trump near the bottom of the list. Obama, Grant rises higher, while Lincoln holds steady in first
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Emily L said:
I like Mitt Romney a lot because he, like I (or me), is a traditional conservative who doesn't care for Trump.

However, I hate to sound like a stubborn and demanding jerk, but I was very disappointed that Romney didn't attend that 1/6 memorial last week. That would have been a good time for him to stand up for traditional values. Maybe he was sick, I don't know, but I wanted him to be there.
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Romney is horrible. He constantly supports plutocracy and corruption. We might have the BBB and democracy protected today if Romney did the right thing and supported those bills; he doesn't, he sends a tweet not supporting one lie and gets gushing praise.

Some politicians try to have a 'brand', often for their own political benefit, where they try to look 'principled' or independent of party or other things. It's often nothing more than a plan to try to appeal for some votes from 'moderates'. McCain did the same thing. You generally find they are terrible on important policy issues, but find situations they can 'build their brand' looking more independent.
 
tres borrachos said:
Thanks for admitting Trump and his moronic supporters are RINOs but the smart people already knew that.
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Just to be clear here.


The “RINOS“ like Romney, Kinzinger, and Sasse are the voice of reason. That is not sarcasm.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Trump's problem is that he doesn't care about the Constitution and the Rule of Law.
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That's just one of them.

W_Heisenberg said:
I have become painfully aware over the years that Trump supporters have zero understanding of proper ethical behavior within government. They have no idea that many of the things Trump has done are things that should never be done at any level of government. And I think that mostly results from a sheer lack of knowledge and/or experience about how government works. I write or say, "Well, it's not okay to steer government contracts to your friends because that money is taxpayer money and it's your responsibility to make sure the office you're responsible for spends money in a responsible way..." And they say, "LOL SO WHAT HAHAHAH STUPID LIB!!! HAHAH ROFL LOL MAGA! TDS TDS TDS! Where's muh BEER?!?! LETS GO BRANDON HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
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It's an important point. Basically, there's a lot of ignorance and they're easily manipulated; their political views often are little more than 'anything bad - communism, fascism, dictators, corruption, smelling bad, child molestation, murder, wanting to destroy the US and let illegal immigrants take over, the swamp' - is 'the enemy side', Democrats. It's like blind support of sports teams is training for their blind politics.

But they're given just enough 'information', carefully selected manipulative propaganda, whether lies or distortions or just pandering to get their support (don't you hate open borders, then support us) for them to think they are 'informed' and have things to parrot to Democrats if they need to. 'Climate change is a bunch of scientists trying to get money'. 'Fauci is the highest paid government bureaucrat and a Democrat tool'.

Orwell though 'big brother' would be a heavy hand, but he was remarkably prescient about propaganda. Huxley thought society would be controlled with the use of pleasure, drugs and sex included. Neither could quite come up with the very effective 'propaganda machine' that's been created and dominates a third of the country, the 'information bubbles'. Lippmann had some idea bout this a century previously, even before them.

It's a real danger that when the voters are imbecilic, not only will they elect the corrupt who pander and manipulate them - there's an industry spending billions to get their votes for ulterior agendas - as it's clear they're also not loyal to democracy so that they even get to vote other than in a Putin-type 'election'. Democracy depends on better voters. But how often do Democratic leaders even talk about the powerful propaganda machine?

Instead they talk about 'policy' or things like democracy and values, as if modern Republicans listen when they're smothered in right-wing propaganda and Republicans main complaint with Republicans is that they don't do enough to support violence against Democrats. 'Are you a RINO' is their concern in primaries. So they even hate 'the Republican establishment' and support the 'MAGA' cult.
 
Blue Dog said:
The “RINOS“ like Romney, Kinzinger, and Sasse are the voice of reason. That is not sarcasm.
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Only compared to the others. They are far from reasonable.
 
Craig234 said:
Only compared to the others. They are far from reasonable.
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They are not reactionary populists. That alone makes them more reasonable among Republicans.
 
The US has faced all sorts of threats to its law and order, and public and national security, down through the years: the Brits, the Confederacy, the Mafia, Communism, Islamic extremism, etc...

Now it's Trumpism.

Hopefully this country will prevail in this new challenge as well.
 
Puigb said:
You realize Manchin voted to impeach your orange turd of a former president twice, right?
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Yeah so did Romney. What's ur point?
 
Blue Dog said:
They are not reactionary populists. That alone makes them more reasonable among Republicans.
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If you want to refer to some as reactionary populists, add the word 'faux' in front of populists. Less unreasonable is more accurate than more reasonable.
 
Craig234 said:
Romney is horrible. He constantly supports plutocracy and corruption. We might have the BBB and democracy protected today if Romney did the right thing and supported those bills; he doesn't, he sends a tweet not supporting one lie and gets gushing praise.

Some politicians try to have a 'brand', often for their own political benefit, where they try to look 'principled' or independent of party or other things. It's often nothing more than a plan to try to appeal for some votes from 'moderates'. McCain did the same thing. You generally find they are terrible on important policy issues, but find situations they can 'build their brand' looking more independent.
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Romney went from being a GOP presidential nominee to being one of the GOP's favorite doormats. The same thing has happened to G.W. Bush, a two-term president. Examining that time period, I can't find any big difference in their positions that would turn the GOP against them, so I think it was the GOP that changed. The big "change" in the GOP was Trump, the all-powerful dictator of the party who can destroy any Republican who doesn't publicly and ceremoniously kiss his ring. At least, that's how I see it.
 
I think is pretty apparent that when republicans side with the democrats, the democrats then pronounce them "principled". Same with the republicans. (See Joe Manchin).
 
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