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I read your post. You started talking about the need for tax justice. Then you gave us seven lines, most of which are either the opposite of that or extremist memes.
When will you get to the tax justice part?
And around and around we go.... The rich are richer now relative to everyone else than they've been since the 1920s. This is like a corporation complaining because it's making too much money.
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tax justice is not more schemes to buy the votes of losers, the unlucky and the unambitious.
tax justice is balancing "from each according to their ability" which is the only basis you lefties use with a tax system that will make everyone suffer when the government spends too much and will make everyone face tax hikes when they try to jack up the rates on others
I'm not saying that he is a racist. I am pointing out that he was the one who introduced the word "race" into this thread.
Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
.... as opposed to the Republican plan, which makes 99% of Americans suffer so we can have MORE massive tax cuts for the rich.
guess what-every year Nadal plays tennis he makes increases his wealth too
of course we are getting richer. if you have money to invest after you pay your taxes and your required spending, you will increase your wealth
the only way to stop that is to increase taxes so much that no one has any money left to invest. anyone who tries to do that is going to be wasted rather quickly
You're so funny. Turtle didn't spit in anyone's face.Turtle introduced the words black and white in talking about racial differences twice in his post 1267 and was the first to introduce the topic of race here. If you cannot see that, your intellectual limitations are even worse than you previously admitted to when you said you knew one thing.
If I spit into your face but never use the word spit and you chastise me for "spitting into face" - by your standards I can then rip into you for being the one to introduce the 'spit'. Your illogic makes the world of Alice In Wonderland look like basic common sense.
You do not even make the least bit of sense with this inane defense of another poster bringing race into the topic of taxation.
Turtle introduced the words black and white in talking about racial differences twice in his post 1267 and was the first to introduce the topic of race here. If you cannot see that, your intellectual limitations are even worse than you previously admitted to when you said you knew one thing.
If I spit into your face but never use the word spit and you chastise me for "spitting into face" - by your standards I can then rip into you for being the one to introduce the 'spit'. Your illogic makes the world of Alice In Wonderland look like basic common sense.
You do not even make the least bit of sense with this inane defense of another poster bringing race into the topic of taxation.
tax justice is not more schemes to buy the votes of losers, the unlucky and the unambitious.
tax justice is balancing "from each according to their ability" which is the only basis you lefties use with a tax system that will make everyone suffer when the government spends too much and will make everyone face tax hikes when they try to jack up the rates on others
That reminds me, I wanted to thank you. You, and those like you could have provided no better example of why it was so important for the working class to stand up and fight back against the class war being waged on the working class.
So for that, I thank you!
more stupid lies. how does the 99 suffer? are you saying that the rich who pay 40% of the income tax-the highest amount in 6 decades, hurt the others by paying that much? Your problem is you think that the rich exist to fund everyone else. what hurts the middle class is 60 years of them becoming dependent on more and more government and them thinking that the rich have a duty to pay high taxes so they can pay artificially low taxes
Nadal? What a silly analogy. The fact is that rich today are much richer RELATIVE TO EVERYONE ELSE than they have been since the 1920s.
Your dishonest take on my analogy is pathetic and others have called you on it. I was merely noting that "Truthful" comments about facts can still lead to dishonest comparisons. So I picked two groups, white criminals and black criminals and created a hypothetical
that HYPOTHETICAL being IF black MURDERERS Get more years than WHITE criminals who are convicted of less serious crimes, it would be a truthful statement to say those black criminals were punished more harshly than the white criminals but it would be dishonest to use that truthful observation to CONCLUDE that the justice system treats blacks worse than whites. I could have used asian and hispanic, male or female, straight or gay for the same analogy You clearly tried to attack my post because
1) you could not deny my analogy was accurate when applied to the dishonest comparison of THE ENTIRE Tax bill of a 50K a year earner with one tax applied to the income of a rich investor.
2) but you felt a need to respond so you insinuated I was making a racist argument when everyone else knows and saw that was a dishonest creation on your part
Your dishonest take on my analogy is pathetic and others have called you on it. I was merely noting that "Truthful" comments about facts can still lead to dishonest comparisons. So I picked two groups, white criminals and black criminals and created a hypothetical
that HYPOTHETICAL being IF black MURDERERS Get more years than WHITE criminals who are convicted of less serious crimes, it would be a truthful statement to say those black criminals were punished more harshly than the white criminals but it would be dishonest to use that truthful observation to CONCLUDE that the justice system treats blacks worse than whites. I could have used asian and hispanic, male or female, straight or gay for the same analogy You clearly tried to attack my post because
1) you could not deny my analogy was accurate when applied to the dishonest comparison of THE ENTIRE Tax bill of a 50K a year earner with one tax applied to the income of a rich investor.
2) but you felt a need to respond so you insinuated I was making a racist argument when everyone else knows and saw that was a dishonest creation on your part
Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
Speaking of stupid lies.... Let's go over this again. The rich are paying a higher percentage of total taxes because they have a MUCH higher percentage of total income than they used to. They are actually paying a much lower RATE than they used to. Obviously in order to finance those very low tax rates we have to make up for it somewhere else. Presently we're making up for it by borrowing a lot of money. Now, ALL of the Republican candidates have proposed tax plans that would give the rich MASSIVE tax cuts ... and much smaller cuts for everyone else. This is exactly the opposite of what our economy needs.
Nobody called you a racist so please take your usual strawman back into your barn.
Nobody said you were making a racist argument so take that strawman back with its twin.
Of course, you could co back and quote me calling you a RACIST in this thread and prove me wrong but that would be impossible because it never happened. All I told you was this
I pointed that out because you brought in a topic that had nothing to do with what was being discussed. You brought race into a topic that had nothing to do with race. Its really that clear and simple.
OMFG!! Is that what this is all about? I read the initial post way back...never thought a thing about it. What a waste of bandwidth that discussion's been. Jesus Mary & Joseph.
So why don't you answer an easy question at least 4 posters have asked you
what was your purpose for claiming I introduced "race" into this discussion?
Bringing race into this does not advance the discussion.
OMFG!! Is that what this is all about? I read the initial post way back...never thought a thing about it. What a waste of bandwidth that discussion's been. Jesus Mary & Joseph.
to inform you that you introducing race did not advance the discussion. That was self evident by the nine words I used in my post.
I have no idea why you would be unclear about something so straight forward and clear.
Go for it! A lot of that money is already overseas anyway. I'm going to hang around here with the rich people not too greedy to pony up an extra 5% on their capital gains taxes to make their country more prosperous and with the labor force that is the backbone of production. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year though! See ya! :2wave:
quit whining. to become rich these days you no longer can be big dumb and strong like factory workers could be in the 50's and make a good living. You have to have advanced technical skills and that comes with having advanced education. people who eschew education are falling behind
I am still wondering what Haymarket's purpose was in whining that i "introduced race" into this discussion
Of cours CEOs were considered to be rich in the 1970s, even though they only made approximately 30 times more than the average worker (from memory - could be off). NOW, however, CEOs make about 325 times more than the average worker!
And again, speaking of stupid lies.... Factory workers were never considered rich in this country. Middle class, yes. Rich? No.
Of cours CEOs were considered to be rich in the 1970s, even though they only made approximately 30 times more than the average worker (from memory - could be off). NOW, however, CEOs make about 325 times more than the average worker! The ratio has increased by a factor of 10! Are CEOs 10x smarter and harder working now than they used to be? I don't think so. Are workers 10x stupider and lazier than they used to be? Hardly. Productivity has increased significantly.
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