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Roe vs Wade Can Be Overturned![W:134]

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William Rea said:
And yet, here in this very thread I am going with nature which 'aborts' close to 1 in 4 pregnancies
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The possibility of a natural death exists for us all and has no relevance in discussing the prosecution of deliberate homicides.

Do let me know when and if you can understand the difference between dying and being killed.

I am the one arguing that the state needs to keep it's nose out of private matters
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Again, only if you consider hiring someone to kill another human being to merely be "a private matter," which of course moral human beings will find disgusting.
 
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JayDubya said:
The possibility of a natural death exists for us all and has no relevance in discussing the prosecution of deliberate homicides.

Do let me know when and if you can understand the difference between dying and being killed.

Again, only if you consider hiring someone to kill another human being to merely be "a private matter," which of course moral human beings will find disgusting.
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I'm going to change my lean to 'Libertarian' as I seem to be the only true libertarian on this forum.
 
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matchlight said:
I never discussed any oath. I am not sure what you are trying to say.
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I didn't say you did but that was the conversation that you jumped in the middle of.
matchlight said:
I don't know what, specifically, you are claiming is not simple. It is simple enough for the Supreme Court to overrule one of its decisions, as it has done many times. Stare decisis is not a sacrosanct doctrine. It can either be ignored, when a majority on the Court wants a change, or piously held up as an excuse not to make a change, when the majority does not want one.
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I guess you should read the thread or the conversation I was having then before answering? Not being rude but me and another poster were mid conversation, you jump in the middle with your post then respond with you don;t know what we were talking about? I don't know what to do with your issue besides that recommendation.
 
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William Rea said:
I'm going to change my lean to 'Libertarian' as I seem to be the only true libertarian on this forum.
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Oh, good, you've learned to stop supporting aggression and want the government to affirm the natural human rights to life and property? Welcome aboard.
 
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tosca1 said:
"I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer justice without respect to persons,
and do equal right to the poor and to the rich, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as _________ under the Constitution and laws of the United States; and that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

So help me God."
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Are you bolding parts you think apply? So your claim is the red parts legally apply to RvW? Please explain how.




tosca1 said:
The liberal climate - specifically the influence of a powerful Feminist movement - had made it so that the oath was compromised by the stacked left-leaning judges, and fearful politicians who are more concerned about votes!
Common sense had left the building ages ago!
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And that's the excuse on the last 50 years? So even if I believed that, doesn;t that just proof that what I said about the conversation I was having. It's not that simple.
 
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JayDubya said:
Oh, good, you've learned to stop supporting aggression and want the government to affirm the natural human rights to life and property? Welcome aboard.
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You need the government to affirm your natural rights? Oh dear.
 
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JayDubya said:
barbarism.
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Barbarism is a society that says it values life but allows its citizens to die in the gutter because they did not attain the $ value necessary to live.

And that's what you support.
 
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Tennyson said:
It would be as simple as any other ruling by the Supreme Court if the court had the right make-up and motivation to adhere to the Constitution.

The acme of the right thing to do is address incorporation. That stare decisis has the court ham-strung.
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But yet it hasn't happened for almost 50 years? Again by default that makes it not so simple.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
Barbarism is a society that says it values life but allows its citizens to die in the gutter because they did not attain the $ value necessary to live.

And that's what you support.
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I'd take Anarchism over Libertarian pseudism any day of the week.

'I want government out of the way so I can leverage my financial advantage to maximum effect without hinderance'.
 
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William Rea said:
I'm going to change my lean to 'Libertarian' as I seem to be the only true libertarian on this forum.
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The tenets of libertarianism are anti-abortion.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
But yet it hasn't happened for almost 50 years? Again by default that makes it not so simple.
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The measure of time does not preclude a court following the Constitution. It would take some new faces who are not adverse to abiding the Constitution. Another method would be an amendment to limit the court to the intent and limitations of Article III and eliminate the Fourteenth Amendment through a convention of the states. Either way, that is what it will take to keep the country together because the Supreme Court is responsible for the division we have today and abortion is right in the thick of it.
 
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Tennyson said:
The measure of time does not preclude a court following the Constitution.
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Who said it did? the discussion is about oath and its legality to this topic and your claim of how simple it is. Neither so far have shown any real definite promise. I WISH they did but they don't. They are the same theories, philosophies, opinions and possibilities I have been dealing with my whole adult life as an active prolifer.

Tennyson said:
It would take some new faces who are not adverse to abiding the Constitution. Another method would be an amendment to limit the court to the intent and limitations of Article III and eliminate the Fourteenth Amendment through a convention of the states. Either way, that is what it will take to keep the country together because the Supreme Court is responsible for the division we have today and abortion is right in the thick of it.
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More stuff that history and details on this subject already prove is anything but simple. Sorry but we are never going to agree because you are never going to have any evidence or it being simplistic. There is none. I wish there was.
 
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William Rea said:
You need the government to affirm your natural rights?
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You don't know the purpose of governments, then? I'm sorry.

Jetboogieman said:
Barbarism is a society that says it values life but allows its citizens to die
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Again, **** any concept of "society" or "collective civilization" you desire. A government that will not protect the individual rights of the human beings who live within it should be destroyed, but it's the responsibility and duty of those human beings who live there. You're not just derelict in that duty, you advocate for more tyranny and its spread to other nations. It's despicable.
 
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William Rea said:
Explain how that works?
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Libertarianism mandates the state to prevent abortion under the libertarian “aggress” doctrine and the self-ownership doctrine as it applies to the rights of the unborn. Under Libertarianism, one of the purposes of the government is to advance the preservation of mankind and their property, and abortion does not preserve self-ownership of the unborn under the Lockean proviso or the self-ownership proviso. Libertarianism is based on God’s natural rights doctrine, which is manifested in the doctrines listed above.

I think what happens is people confuse libertarianism with the libertarian party. They are two different things.
 
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Tennyson said:
The tenets of libertarianism are anti-abortion.
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Correct. There is no way to say on the one hand you believe in the principle of non-aggression and on the other hand to have a permissive attitude towards the aggressive violence perpetrated in every abortion.

Only an anarchist, opposed to all government and all law, can claim to believe in liberty and non-aggression and at the same time say they don't want laws against homicides... because they don't want ANY laws.

Libertarians are not anarchists.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Who said it did? the discussion is about oath and its legality to this topic and your claim of how simple it is. Neither so far have shown any real definite promise. I WISH they did but they don't. They are the same theories, philosophies, opinions and possibilities I have been dealing with my whole adult life as an active prolifer.

More stuff that history and details on this subject already prove is anything but simple. Sorry but we are never going to agree because you are never going to have any evidence or it being simplistic. There is none. I wish there was.
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Actually you brought time into the equation. It is as simple as the right mix on the court.

What is a profiler?
 
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JayDubya said:
but it's the responsibility and duty of those human beings who live there.
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A government cannot fulfill that duty when, in the case of the society and government you wish to propagate, allows the children of the nation to die by the thousand from preventable causes because their parents were too poor to afford medical care to satisfy some bizarre ideological pillar you've personally set for the rest of us.

But hey, as long as Lucy dies on the steps of the hospital, your politics is satisfied because that dumb bitch didn't get healthcare AND she doesn't have the option of terminating her pregnancy.
 
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Tennyson said:
Actually you brought time into the equation. It is as simple as the right mix on the court.

What is a profiler?
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Someone who opposes the legality and ongoing practice of the human rights abuse of abortion.

Something "LaylaWindu" doesn't oppose.
 
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Tennyson said:
Actually you brought time into the equation.
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Correct I did within relationship to your incorrect claim of simplicity and NOT in relationship to your incorrect relationship and opinion of "court following the Constitution"
Tennyson said:
It is as simple as the right mix on the court.
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And yet again history and details prove that is not simple, you have yet to show one thing that makes it simple. We are having this discussion because it is factually not simple.
Tennyson said:
What is a profiler?
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There is no set definition of it, it's many things to many people. What does that have to do with anything we are discussing?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
A government cannot fulfill that duty when
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Maybe you could try reading and comprehending English?

I was saying, in a very Jeffersonian, very "Declaration of Independence" sense, that you and your peers have a duty to fix your tyrannical government, through the ballot box or the sword. The government can't fulfill your duty to hold a tyrannical government accountable and fix the problem, that's your duty.

You're still on about the government having a "duty" to violate the property rights of its citizens, which is ****ed in the head.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Correct I did within relationship to your incorrect claim of simplicity and NOT in relationship to your incorrect relationship and opinion of "court following the Constitution"

And yet again history and details prove that is not simple, you have yet to show one thing that makes it simple. We are having this discussion because it is factually not simple.

There is no set definition of it, it's many things to many people. What does that have to do with anything we are discussing?
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It is as simple as the right mix on the court to do the right thing. It is as simple as that. It is no more complicated than the the ruling of Roe. It was the right mix and was that simple.

You keep injecting profiler into the conversation.
 
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JayDubya said:
which is ****ed in the head.
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No, what's ****ed in the head is propagating the idea that using a massive State Security apparatus to interfere with a womans private medical decision is somehow "freedom" and "civilized" but a penny going towards the well being of that child that you forced her to have by any state entity is "barbarism".

It makes you a hypocrite, extremely clearly.
 
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Tennyson said:
It is as simple as the right mix on the court to do the right thing. It is as simple as that. It is no more complicated than the the ruling of Roe. It was the right mix and was that simple.
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And yet RvW is here and has been for nearly 50 years. Again proving it's anything but simple.
Tennyson said:
You keep injecting profiler into the conversation.
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And how does the definition relate to our discussion of simplicity and nothign supporting that theory?
 
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