Roe v Wade Was Wrongly Decided

[Jack Hays]

That you now call abortion "murder" suggests that you lied in your OP, jack. So no...your argument does not match mine...but it does help prove it.

You're wrong. I'm pro-choice. But the pro-lifers are no more hyperbolic to call abortion murder than you are to call their presentations fetal porn. If the states controlled this question there would be safe spaces for both sides.

 

[Moot]

You're wrong. I'm pro-choice. But the pro-lifers are no more hyperbolic to call abortion murder than you are to call their presentations fetal porn. If the states controlled this question there would be safe spaces for both sides.

I'm not the one using fetuses for a political football, jack....you are. That's why you started this thread.

The States have amply proven that they are NOT interested in protecting women's health or rights, jack. That's why it went to court and is now a federally protected right.

 

[Jack Hays]

I'm not the one using fetuses for a political football, jack....you are. That's why you started this thread.

The States have amply proven that they are NOT interested in protecting women's health or rights, jack. That's why it went to court and is now a federally protected right.

Some states were, others were not. I am certain that abortions would be available in most blue states and banned in most red states, with continuing battles in purple states. I started this thread because I'd rather have that conflict in the states instead of in our national politics.

 

[Moot]

Some states were, others were not. I am certain that abortions would be available in most blue states and banned in most red states, with continuing battles in purple states. I started this thread because I'd rather have that conflict in the states instead of in our national politics.

Too bad...it's not always about you.

 

[Jack Hays]

Too bad...it's not always about you.

It's about the country.

 

[James972]

But in closing, female reproductive rights should not be up for debate, Big Government Conservative Theocratic busybodies are virtually the only people concerned with this nonsense and I wish they'd just bugger off with it.

1) murder is always up for debate!!!

2) so is switching to a slimy degenerate liberal culture wherein you have meaningless sex with strangers and kill the baby that results rather than have sex with a spouse you love and love the baby that results.

 

[Moot]

It's about the country.

Your concern isn't for the county...it's for state rights. Sorry, but that pig doesn't fly anymore, jack. Women aren't just citizens of a state...they are also citizens of a nation and have equal protection.

 

[JayDubya]

Don't you love all the men who think they can tell a woman what to do with her body?

That's sharia law folks.

Go pray to Allah.

Don't you hate all the bigots who think it's okay to kill innocent human beings in cold blood for arbitrary reasons like their age?

 

[Jack Hays]

Your concern isn't for the county...it's for state rights. Sorry, but that pig doesn't fly anymore, jack. Women aren't just citizens of a state...they are also citizens of a nation and have equal protection.

You'll do better if you stop guessing what my concerns are. You're wrong so far. I'm not much of an advocate for states' rights, but I think in this case, an issue with clear and strong regional differences, it might be wise to leave the matter to the states until the issue matures.

 

[Moot]

You'll do better if you stop guessing what my concerns are. You're wrong so far. I'm not much of an advocate for states' rights, but I think in this case, an issue with clear and strong regional differences, it might be wise to leave the matter to the states until the issue matures.

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Jack Hays]

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough.

 

[Media_Truth]

This is a theory, not a fact.

After Roe vs. Wade, abortion was a made up issue by the far right wing to rally Evangelical voters and give them something to be angry and passionate about so they'd go the polls, evangelicals are shot for shot one of the most reliable voters in the entire body politic and this issue is a major driver.

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And don't forget rural America. They buy into the "You'll go to hell, if you vote for any pro-choice candidate" stance.

 

[Jack Hays]

And don't forget rural America. They buy into the "You'll go to hell, if you vote for any pro-choice candidate" stance.

This is exactly the kind of thoughtless generalization Roe v Wade has brought into our national politics.

 

[Media_Truth]

This is exactly the kind of thoughtless generalization Roe v Wade has brought into our national politics.

Actually, I've thought about this quite a lot. Every election, this issue is broadcast from pulpits across rural America. Never mind separation of Church and State - that's irrelevant. From these same pulpits, I've heard complaints that those evil liberals want to do away with the tax exemptions of churches. No wonder - when churches across America turn out to be nothing but an arm of the Republican Party.

 

[James972]

You'll do better if you stop guessing what my concerns are. You're wrong so far. I'm not much of an advocate for states' rights, but I think in this case, an issue with clear and strong regional differences, it might be wise to leave the matter to the states until the issue matures.

in a free country most issues should be left to the states and to the people so you have individual freedom rather that liberal violence.

 

[Jack Hays]

Actually, I've thought about this quite a lot. Every election, this issue is broadcast from pulpits across rural America. Never mind separation of Church and State - that's irrelevant. From these same pulpits, I've heard complaints that those evil liberals want to do away with the tax exemptions of churches. No wonder - when churches across America turn out to be nothing but an arm of the Republican Party.

More churches avoid politics than engage. The stridency and hyperbole of pro-life absolutists is more than matched by the stridency and hyperbole of pro-choice absolutists like yourself. you are the mirror of those churchmen you despise.

 

[Media_Truth]

More churches avoid politics than engage. The stridency and hyperbole of pro-life absolutists is more than matched by the stridency and hyperbole of pro-choice absolutists like yourself. you are the mirror of those churchmen you despise.

Did I say I was pro-choice? I'm not. Philosophically, I believe that abortion robs a living being of potential future happiness. Living fetus with rights or not - this is true. For this same reason, I'm a vegetarian. I am also a Christian. However, twice in the 16 years, the church that I attended went political. There won't be a third time. I no longer attend a Christian church. I believe in a different Jesus Christ than is espoused by this person that they illegally elected, through their political pulpit.

 

[Jack Hays]

Did I say I was pro-choice? I'm not. Philosophically, I believe that abortion robs a living being of potential future happiness. Living fetus with rights or not - this is true. For this same reason, I'm a vegetarian. I am also a Christian. However, twice in the 16 years, the church that I attended went political. There won't be a third time. I no longer attend a Christian church. I believe in a different Jesus Christ than is espoused by this person that they illegally elected, through their political pulpit.

As you wish. Your political stridency is nonetheless an example of the cost of Roe v Wade.

 

[jaeger19]

That's your perception based on your own beliefs about abortion. You can't use your beliefs and opinions about abortion to come to a conclusion about pro-life people. We don't believe abortion is "female reproductive rights". We look at abortion as the killing of an innocent human. There's nothing "big government, theocratic or busybody" about wanting innocent lives to not be snuffed out, is there?

the government deciding whose life is most important is definitely BIG government. The government deciding who can receive what medical procedure.. is big government. the government deciding whats best for my children is definitely big government.

 

[jaeger19]

in a free country most issues should be left to the states and to the people so you have individual freedom rather that liberal violence.

You mean issues like Slavery? Which races can get married? Whether a school is segregated or not? Whether I can own a firearm or not? You mean those things? :doh

 

[Media_Truth]

As you wish. Your political stridency is nonetheless an example of the cost of Roe v Wade.

So glad you approve. If Christians were a little more flexible on their position, perhaps something could done with this contentious issue. First, not all Christians hold your (our?) position. That in and of itself makes the issue contentious. Should a mother's life be factored in? If my wife's doctor told me that her life was in danger, if she carried a child to term, I would respect any decision that she makes. If my daughter was raped, I would be in full support of any decision she would make. Christians have become Wall Builders - there is even a radical right, very political, Evangelical group called the Wall Builders. Jesus would not approve of Wall Building! He understood that humans are all sinners, and he lived among sinners.

 

[Jack Hays]

You mean issues like Slavery? Which races can get married? Whether a school is segregated or not? Whether I can own a firearm or not? You mean those things? :doh

Those issues were settled at the federal level after a consensus developed.

 

[Jack Hays]

So glad you approve. If Christians were a little more flexible on their position, perhaps something could done with this contentious issue. First, not all Christians hold your (our?) position. That in and of itself makes the issue contentious. Should a mother's life be factored in? If my wife's doctor told me that her life was in danger, if she carried a child to term, I would respect any decision that she makes. If my daughter was raped, I would be in full support of any decision she would make. Christians have become Wall Builders - there is even a radical right, very political, Evangelical group called the Wall Builders. Jesus would not approve of Wall Building! He understood that humans are all sinners, and he lived among sinners.

I'm pro-choice. I don't believe it's any more possible to generalize about "Christians" than it is to generalize about "Muslims." All the more reason to let each state go its own way.

 

[Removable Mind]

I am pro-choice. Nonetheless I believe Roe v Wade was wrongly decided. It should have been left to the states. The verdict has poisoned our national politics for decades and made SCOTUS nominations political death matches instead of the sober exercises of judgment they should be. I understand that in principle a right is a right and should not vary from state to state, but I think the price of that principle has been too high in this case. Abortion should be allowed or prohibited on a state by state basis. Our national politics would be far healthier.

Norma McCorvey
1947–2017
Norma McCorvey, ‘Jane Roe’ of Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, dies at 69




When she filed suit in 1970, McCorvey was not looking for a sweeping ruling for all women but simply the right to legally and safely end a pregnancy that she did not wish to carry forward. The Supreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in 1973 that the constitutional right to privacy includes the choice to terminate a pregnancy. McCorvey later became a born-again Christian and a rallying figure for antiabortion activists.

• By Emily Langer

• Photos: McCorvey was symbolic in abortion fight

Then the Constitution needs to be trashed. Especially the 10th Amendment. One state shouldn't have the power to decide how many children a woman should or shouldn't have. And another state create a different legal requirement or standard deciding the same issue. Women aren't legally or morally obligated to reproduce.

 

[Jack Hays]

Then the Constitution needs to be trashed. Especially the 10th Amendment. One state shouldn't have the power to decide how many children a woman should or shouldn't have. And another state create a different legal requirement or standard deciding the same issue. Women aren't legally or morally obligated to reproduce.

No, they are not, but I don't think the Constitution cares.