Rittenhouse trial WOW!

[Linuxcooldude]

You mean Rosenbaum, and what quote can you cite supporting this ?

Sources been posted many times in this thread, as well as being submitted by the defence during the trial.

 

[Rich2018]

Irrelivent to the case.

But relevant to your comprehension of it.

 

[Fledermaus]

But relevant to your comprehension of it.

Incorrect.

 

[Daddyo]

Nope.. my view was based on reality and the evidence.
Not fanciful tales of "angry mobs".. and deadly attacks with skateboards.. and "better off dead".. stories.

You support vigilante justice and stupidity with a firearm.
Face it.. if Rittenhouse was blm protestor that did the shooting and Rosenbaum was a white business owner that was yelling at the blm protestor...

You would be calling for Rittenhouse to be convicted of murder.

If Rosenbaum was just yelling at Rittenhouse when he was shot I would be all for his conviction. You left out the verbal threat to kill Rittenhouse and the multiple attacks that forced Rittenhouse to retreat to run from Rosenbaum. Wonder why you left that out lol.

 

[Daddyo]

The acquittal was the end of the trial, not the story. The boy brought a whole lot of bad karma on himself that night which will continue to follow him the rest of his life. He may be enjoying his notoriety right now but what becomes of him after the lights go out? Additionally the wounds that the incident inflicted on this country that night in Kenosha may take a long time to heal, while the suffering goes on.

White Animus Against Black Grievance

He's gonna be a multi millionaire soon. All those who slandered him will pay.

The wounds inflicted by Rittenhouse right? What about the wounds inflicted by the rioting scum who killed people and destroyed lives and livelihoods?

 

[jaeger19]

If Rosenbaum was just yelling at Rittenhouse when he was shot I would be all for his conviction. You left out the verbal threat to kill Rittenhouse and the multiple attacks that forced Rittenhouse to retreat to run from Rosenbaum. Wonder why you left that out lol.

Because you made it up.
There is no evidence that Rosenbaum made a direct and imminent verbal threat to Rittenhouse.
And there were no " multiple attacks.
He yelled at him and he threw a plastic bag at him.

 

[Rich2018]

If Rosenbaum was just yelling at Rittenhouse when he was shot I would be all for his conviction. You left out the verbal threat to kill Rittenhouse and the multiple attacks that forced Rittenhouse to retreat to run from Rosenbaum. Wonder why you left that out lol.

Verbal threats in the heat of the moment are meaningless.

 

[RF667799]

Verbal threats in the heat of the moment are meaningless.

No, they are very relevant in determining if a decision to defend yourself was justified in that moment.

 

[Fledermaus]

Verbal threats in the heat of the moment are meaningless.

People who matter disagree.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

So you feel vigilantism should be ok. Is that correct?
Not following all the details, but my understanding is he went with the intention of using a firearm to protect the area from those he perceived to be lawless and creating chaos.
While some might see that as noble, it seems like vigilantism to me. And that is counter to law and order.

Did you happen to get you information from CNN ?

It is clearly obvious that you are "Not following all the details" we could tell that by how you spun it!
"he went with the intention of using a firearm to protect the area from those he perceived to be lawless and creating chaos."
That's some grade A+ Liberal Propaganda spin right there!

 

[Daddyo]

Sure they do. There are multiple times were active shooters started shooting and then leave and area.. and attempt to get away.

Stop making crap up.

There was no "rioters attacking kyle after he shot in self defense".

Rittenhouse killed a guy because Rittenhouse panicked and threated the guy witih a rifle and the guy reacted.
He then ran out looking like an active shooter.. while most of the crowd screamed and ran away saying there was an active shooter.
A few people tried to stop that active shooter that just killed an unarmed man.

Lol......you had rock in hand guy take a fast run by swing hitting Kyle with a glancing blow. You had jump kick guy who stomped Kyle narrowly escaped with his balls. You have skateboard guy who hit Kyle with his board and tried to pull away his rifle......may he rest in violent scumbag gets what he deserves peace. You have unibicep glock guy who pointed his gun at Kyle's head. All the above AFTER Kyle shot Rosenbaum. The video which you refuse to watch shows it and the crowd of rioters chasing Kyle. To many to count.

 

[Daddyo]

FActs are facts.
But go ahead and show me the deadly threat that Rosenbaum engaged in.. the kicking, punching, striking, grabbing.. .anything.. that constitutes deadly threat... BEFORE Rittenhouse points his rifle at him.

Let me educate you.........say I threaten to kill you..........I am going to do so by kicking, punching, striking, grabbing.... anything that constitues a deadly threat......you are armed with a rifle like that wonderful young man Kyle. JUST MY ATTEMPT TO GET WITHIN STRIKING DISTANCE IS JUSTIFICATION!!!!!!!!! You are not required to allow me a begin to beat or kick on you. You are not required to allow me to grab your rifle. In this scenario you are in grave danger of death, which I have openly threatened, and or great bodily harm.

In my state you no longer have a duty to retreat but in others you do. Kyle did twice. In all states the deadly threat must have the ability, opportunity, and intent to cause death or GBH. Rosenbaum had 2 of these.....ability and intent.... before Kyle pointed his rifle. Only when Rosenbaum closed the distance and gave himself the opportunity did Rittenhouse fire. It was the most controlled use of deadly force I have ever witnessed. Only Joe Montana's game winning drive in the superbowl, where in the huddle he spots John Candy in the stands and tells his teammates "hey look its john candy", have I seen such cool under pressure actions.

No way you were a cop! You have no idea about self defense or the dangers posed by unarmed men. Thankfully the jury did.

 

[Daddyo]

FActs.
Fact. Rittenhouse went there to protect private property. He stated it. And since he had no authority, no plan, and no training... he brought the only means he had.. which was a rifle to intimidate people.
Fact. Rosenbaum never posed a deadly threat to Rittenhouse. He never in anyway tried to strike.. grab, kick or threaten in any physical way deadly force on Rittenhouse.. UNTIL he had a rifle pointed at him
Prove those are opinion.

Your fact #1 answer so what!

Your fact #2 complete and utter ignorance of the real facts

One more fact.......Rittenhouse will soon be a millionaire and 2 rotten thugs are never again going to hurt anyone else and the 3rd attacker is only half the man he used to be.

Hopefully Kyle gave courage to 1000's of business owners to protect their own businesses from violent evil criminal thugs who disguise themselves as protestors.

 

[Daddyo]

Umm no. Its exactly what happened. He followed him. You wanted to say that he followed him in a chase. I said fine. You wanted to call following him in this case pursuing.. I again said fine.

At the end of the day.. thats what he did. And he followed him yelling. And he didn;t offer anything approaching deadly violence.. until he had a rifle pointed at him.

Just facts.

The rifle was only pointed at him BECAUSE of that chase/pursuit lol. Rosenbaum says kill that guy to the crowd and im gonna kill you........if I get you alone lol. And then tries to get him lol and you have the nerve to say Rosenbaum ONLY attacked when the rifle was pointed. This is first rate comedy. Thank you for the laugh.

 

[Daddyo]

Nope. Kyle did. Since Rosenbaum is not here to tell his side of the story it's real easy to blame him, is it not?

You might be right IF THERE WASN'T LOTS OF VIDEO LOL. Thankfully there was lots of video.

 

[Daddyo]

Well its questionable. As I understand if there were "death threats.. it was directed at a general group.,,
Not specifically Rittenhouse.

Rosenbaum told Rittenhouse he would kill him if he caught him alone.

 

[Daddyo]

No.. eyewitnesses and video clearly show that Rittenhouse panicked and shot an unarmed man needlessly.

Panicked??????lol. The kid was a cool.as the other side of the pillow!!!!!

I OTOH would have panicked and dumped every mag on my body. The boy did perfectly amazing.

 

[Daddyo]

#1Um no. They are not illegaly trying to take a weapon.. they are have a legitimate reason to believe they are in an active shooter situation. You cannot expect them to wait for a court to decide that a person with a rifle shooting an UNARMED MAN.. is actually murder.. before trying to protect themselves.

#2Um yeah.. it is. But please.. tell me if I witness a man with a rifle shoot an unarmed man... how many unarmed people does this man have to shoot before I can safely assume he is an active shooter and act to defend myself and my family.
Or should I have to wait until I get shot before reacting. Or how about my children.. is that it?
Stop being silly. Cripes.. you think that Rittenhouse had a reason to use deadly force.. because he got yelled at by rosenbaum..
And then you think that people that saw him SHOOT AN UNARMED MAN..... don;t have a reason to think that Rittenhouse represented a threat.
Stop being so silly.

Yeah.. actually that didn;t happen. But he panicked and shot an unarmed guy. Then he ran down the street and looking like an active shooter and a fellow WITH A SKATEBOARD.. tried to stop him.. and so he shot the guy WITH A SKATEBOARD.
Then a fellow with a gun AT HIIS SIDE.. approached him.. and he raised his rifle and shot the guy...

#3And the people who witness this are supposed to think that Rittenhouse is the SAFE ONE? Come now. Stop being silly. There was no mob intent on killing Rittenhouse. otherwise he would be dead because there were multiple opportunities for people to kill him when he was running.

#4Rittenhouse was a ***** that thought he was a bad ass because he had a rifle. He panicked because a guy yelled at him and so he shot him. then he panicked and ran after shooting an unarmed guy.. and most people ran from him as an active shooter, while a few people tried to stop him from killing more innocents.
HE then panicked and shot them as well.

#1 They were wrong. Using your logic the crowd had no arrest powers. The crowd was acting as a vigilante group. The crowd had no training in arresting people. The crowd was there illegally. Many in the crowd crossed state lines. The crowd caused Rittenhouse to shoot because their presence forced him to shoot.

#2 You say rioters shouldn't have to wait to get shot before choosing to defend themselves yet you put the on Kyle. Illogical and hypocritical.

#3 the rioters should not have become vigilante. They should have recognized, as most of us who have seen the video have, that Kyle was not shooting anyone who didn't pose a direct and eminent threat to his life. Those who didn't got what they deserved.

#4 Grossly wrong again. The kids was there to help. He displayed a level of cool under fire unexpected for such youth. He stayed within the confines of the law. He never panicked EVER.

Had I been protecting my business and that happened to me.......bring more ambulances because this gravy seal ain't running.

 

[Daddyo]

An empty threat is still an empty threat, and you still have no proof that Rosenbaum would have carried out that threat.

All that the law required was that he actively tried!

 

[Daddyo]

Because you made it up.
There is no evidence that Rosenbaum made a direct and imminent verbal threat to Rittenhouse.
And there were no " multiple attacks.
He yelled at him and he threw a plastic bag at him.

• A witness who spent time with Kyle Rittenhouse on August 25, 2020, said the man he shot had threatened them earlier that evening.
• Ryan Balch said Joseph Rosenbaum said, "I catch any of you guys alone tonight, I'm going to ****ing kill you."
• Balch was the second witness to testify Thursday that Rosenbaum had posed a threat to Rittenhouse

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...tened-to-kill-him-and-rittenhouse-2021-11?amp

At this.point you are displaying gross ignorance of the issue OR trying to troll us.

 

[jaeger19]

• A witness who spent time with Kyle Rittenhouse on August 25, 2020, said the man he shot had threatened them earlier that evening.
• Ryan Balch said Joseph Rosenbaum said, "I catch any of you guys alone tonight, I'm going to ****ing kill you."
• Balch was the second witness to testify Thursday that Rosenbaum had posed a threat to Rittenhouse

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...tened-to-kill-him-and-rittenhouse-2021-11?amp

At this.point you are displaying gross ignorance of the issue OR trying to troll us.

You just pointed out it was NOT an imminent threat..it happened much earlier.
And it was not specific to kyle.Kyle..
" you guys"
As I stated.
Are you claiming if an unarmed man tells me in the parking lot " if your here when I get back I'm gonna kl you for parking here.
And three hours later I get back to the parking lot and he comes over and yells at me.
I can just shoot him?
Please explain ..

 

[jaeger19]

#1 They were wrong. Using your logic the crowd had no arrest powers. The crowd was acting as a vigilante group. The crowd had no training in arresting people. The crowd was there illegally. Many in the crowd crossed state lines. The crowd caused Rittenhouse to shoot because their presence forced him to shoot.

#2 You say rioters shouldn't have to wait to get shot before choosing to defend themselves yet you put the on Kyle. Illogical and hypocritical.

#3 the rioters should not have become vigilante. They should have recognized, as most of us who have seen the video have, that Kyle was not shooting anyone who didn't pose a direct and eminent threat to his life. Those who didn't got what they deserved.

#4 Grossly wrong again. The kids was there to help. He displayed a level of cool under fire unexpected for such youth. He stayed within the confines of the law. He never panicked EVER.

Had I been protecting my business and that happened to me.......bring more ambulances because this gravy seal ain't running.

1. First. There was no crowd. That was just established. A few individuals tried to stop what they legitimately though was an active shooter. In other words self defense protecting themselves and others.
2. Not hypocritical at all. Seeing a person shoot and unarmed man and then run toward you..that can be seen as a deadly threat. Having a rifle pointed at you is a deadly threat. Being yelled at by an unarmed man is not.
3. Again not rioters. Thats you making emotionally biased statements.
They saw a guy shoot an u armed man in cold blood. Then he runs at them with a rifle.
. Oh hell.. you hear a shot..you turn and a guy with a rifle is running at you and you hear people yell.." look out he's killing people"
And you think you should assume it was a justified shooting? Stop being silly.
4. He panicked . He is the epitome of losing your sheet. And why? He got yelled at. Boo hoo.
Rosenbaum was in the faces of police officers the night before screaming worse and more belligerent. Yet they didn't panic and shoot him.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

You just pointed out it was NOT an imminent threat..it happened much earlier.

It was not imminent until Rosenbaum caught Rittenhouse alone, in which for a fact he did.

And it was not specific to kyle.Kyle..
" you guys"
As I stated.

The death threat doesn't have to be specific to just Rittenhouse. The death threat was made to multiple people ( You guys ) Kyle included. Which Bates testified the death threat was also made to Kyle Rittenhouse as well as himself.

 

[jaeger19]

The rifle was only pointed at him BECAUSE of that chase/pursuit lol. Rosenbaum says kill that guy to the crowd and im gonna kill you........if I get you alone lol. And then tries to get him lol and you have the nerve to say Rosenbaum ONLY attacked when the rifle was pointed. This is first rate comedy. Thank you for the laugh.

Rught. An unarmed man was chasing him to continue to yell at him.. and he already panicked ..turn and threatened him with a rifle. And then shot an unarmed man.

 

[jaeger19]

It was not imminent until Rosenbaum caught Rittenhouse alone, in which for a fact he did.



The death threat doesn't have to be specific to just Rittenhouse. The death threat was made to multiple people ( You guys ) Kyle included. Which Bates testified the death threat was also made to Kyle Rittenhouse as well as himself.

That's right..it wasn't an imminent threat.
And when Rosenbaum had Rittenhouse alone did he immediately try to act on the previous general threat?
Nope. He yelled at him and threw a plastic bag.
Boo hoo for Rittenhouse.
Cripes ..the mental gymnastics you guys will do to defend the indefensible.