Rittenhouse Defense Team Implodes

[jaeger19]

QED
You can't stop lying



No actually all assertions were back up by evidence
When I asked you which weren't, you couldn'r answer



See post# 2162
I listed them for you.

Bingo..you have no evidence at all.

 

[Rich2018]

Bingo..you have no evidence at all.

For what ?

 

[Fishking]

Rittenhouse would have prevented that, as well as his buddy Black, and his family and Blacks, had he kept his sorry ass home that night. He was naive and way in over his head. If he wanted to play Jr paramedic then great, take the medic bag and help away. He wasn't from Kenosha, he had no connection or permission (according to one owner) to be on that property much less playing rent a cop. He wanted to play big dog on the porch and in the end, the big dogs all went home that night, and his little dogs ass was turning his butt in for killing two people.

Yup...and all the other people could've kept their sorry asses home as well. Guess what, none of them did and only one group was intent on doing destruction while Rittenhouse was there to help the community, by cleaning up, assisting in first aid (including for protesters), and bringing a fire extinguisher to put out a literal dumpster fire that the rioters had set and were trying to push into a gas station.

 

[Fishking]

Just the facts...

No...they really aren't. How about we set some people loose on you and have you started out on the ground while one person is trying to beat you on the head with a skateboard and the other pulls a gun on you. Lets see how long it takes for either you to sustain serious injury or pull your weapon and protect yourself.

Again, one of the most ****ing stupid, brain-dead, shit I've read in a long time.

 

[SkyFox76]

Yup...and all the other people could've kept their sorry asses home as well. Guess what, none of them did and only one group was intent on doing destruction while Rittenhouse was there to help the community, by cleaning up, assisting in first aid (including for protesters), and bringing a fire extinguisher to put out a literal dumpster fire that the rioters had set and were trying to push into a gas station.

Well you'd be better off with facts. It's been pointed out several times Rittenhouse never brought a fire extinguisher to that dumpster and I've posted photos of the guy that did put of that fire.

 

[SkyFox76]

No...they really aren't. How about we set some people loose on you and have you started out on the ground while one person is trying to beat you on the head with a skateboard and the other pulls a gun on you. Lets see how long it takes for either you to sustain serious injury or pull your weapon and protect yourself.

Again, one of the most ****ing stupid, brain-dead, shit I've read in a long time.

Strike two. ✌

 

[Fishking]

Strike two. ✌

Strike two? There is literal video of a guy swinging his skateboard at Rittenhouse's head when he tripped to the ground after someone had punch him in the back of the head.

 

[SkyFox76]

Strike two? There is literal video of a guy swinging his skateboard at Rittenhouse's head when he tripped to the ground after someone had punch him in the back of the head.

No, what the video shows is that the skateboard made contact with Rittenhouse's shoulder/neck area as Huber was leaning in to grab the AR-15. He never swung the skateboard intentionally at his head. Rittenhouse had no head injuries from being hit with a skateboard.

So yes, strike two.

 

[Daddyo]

No, YOU don't understand. Do you know how many people have been punched in the face and then fallen down and cracked their head open and died? Lots. It happens. Happened twice recently in the area around where I live. What chance do you think Rittenhouse stood against a hardened criminal like Rosenbaum? The kid would have been beaten to a pulp.

AND if Rosenbaum incapacitated Rittenhouse then Rosenbaum would be in possession of the AR-15. Not good to give someone threatening you a rifle.

Had a case of a one punch KO that killed the kid. He fell and hit his head on the curb. Happened in a steak and shake parking lot.

That's just one way. And this only covers death. How many more thousands are hospitalized and or permanently disabled because of an attack by an unarmed man?

 

[Daddyo]

What's on your DD214?

Military wouldn't take me lol. They said I had a heart murmur. 3 visits to Dr and specialists found nothing. Fresh out of high school.

Why that question?

 

[Daddyo]

Well we are getting somewhere with you. Lets hope this continues. SO.. now Martin has the right to defend himself. Well.. we don;t know who "initiated the violence". Zimmerman was following martin.. he was following him with his stated mindset of preventing martin from "getting away".. as in "they .... are always getting away".
Zimmerman was training in MMA... he thought he was a bad ass. Its certainly likely that it was Zimmerman who initiated violence. What we do know is that Zimmerman represented a DEADLY THREAT. He was following Martin.. down a dark street. AFTER martin had already tried to run away.. Zimmerman was still trying to find him. That certainly indicates to anyone in that situation that they are being followed for bad intentions. And Zimmerman was armed.
If zimmerman finds martin, confronts him and puts his hand on his weapon or even attempts to do so.. that would represent to MArtin a deadly threat.
Sorry but if you were in that scenario..and you have a fellow following you at night.. and after you try to ditch them, they continue to search and eventually corner you? And then you see them attempt to draw a weapon? Are you really going to tell me that you should wait until they draw that weapon and kill you.. before deciding that they are a deadly threat.? OR do try to get to them and stop them from drawing that firearm and killing you?

Now.. as far as deadly force? Martin in no way was using deadly force. Zimmerman had no injuries even approaching deadly. thats from medical testimony. NOW.. the law doesn;t require a person to actually have deadly force used against them for self defense. It merely requires that you could reasonably believe you were in a life or death situation.

For example.. my dad is 80 years old. He gets knocked down by some 18 year old punk and the punk starts punching him.. its reasonable at 80 years old.. and my father who is untrained.. etc.. its reasonable for him to believe he might die..and so its reasonable for him to draw his colt detective and shoot his attacker.

But zimmerman is not that guy. Its not that situation. Zimmerman was as big or bigger than martin. Zimmerman was trained in MMA and was trained to fight off his back.. so he would know that being on his back was not "life or death". He wasn't sustaining any blows there were even close to life threatening. .. Zimmerman knew that help was on the way.. BECAUSE HE CALLED THEM. He would not reasonably believe that his life was in danger.
Nope.. Zimmerman got pissed when he realized that he wasn;t winning and so he shot an unarmed kid.




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Zimmerman was a puss according to his own instructor. You keep saying he's trained in MMA lol.

Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being beaten while his head rested on concrete. Ala MMA ground and pound. This proves who was on top and bottom AND only one completely ignorant of fighting would say its not a deadly threat. BTW professional MMA fighters get caught when mounted in daylight conditions. Imagine at night and you are what your instructor describes as a marshmallow.

And when I say Martin was justified in punching Zimmerman its very narrow and subject to Martin re contacting Zimmerman. If Martin was innocent. If Martin was in fear. If Martin can explain why he reexposed himself after Zimmerman lost him. Then perhaps Martin would be justified in the initial strike.

The law ONLY ALLOWS ENOUGH FORCE TO WHAT IS BEING USED ON YOU. Zimmerman wasn't using any force. Once he was knocked down IF Martin was justified it ended there UNLESS Zimmerman jumped up and attacked Martin. Thats not what happened. Martin jumped on top. Zimmerman cried for help then shot. I watched the trial perhaps you should.

 

[Fishking]

No, what the video shows is that the skateboard made contact with Rittenhouse's shoulder/neck area as Huber was leaning in to grab the AR-15. He never swung the skateboard intentionally at his head. Rittenhouse had no head injuries from being hit with a skateboard.

So yes, strike two.

Bwahahaha...."He DiDn'T sWiNg It aT hIs HeAd BuT hIt HiS sHoUlDeR/nEcK aReA"....I wish you knew how ****ing stupid that statement was. That's where it made contact, but do you know what's attached to the neck?...a goddamn head. Everyone who read that comment is more stupid for being exposed to it.

 

[Rich2018]

No...they really aren't. How about we set some people loose on you and have you started out on the ground while one person is trying to beat you on the head with a skateboard and the other pulls a gun on you. Lets see how long it takes for either you to sustain serious injury or pull your weapon and protect yourself...

Or just run away.

 

[ASHES]

Or just run away.

He did that twice.

 

[Fishking]

Or just run away.

Holy shit! We have a winner here folks. Oh wait...we don't. Rittenhouse attempted to flee in every single instance. It was only when he couldn't (e.g. trip and start getting beat and have a gun pulled on him) did he use his weapon to shoot.

 

[Rich2018]

He did that twice.

We he didn't run very far then...

 

[ASHES]

We he didn't run very far then...

Once you're on the ground and surrounded after already attempting to run from confrontation a second time, there's nowhere else to run to.

 

[Rich2018]

Holy shit! We have a winner here folks. Oh wait...we don't. Rittenhouse attempted to flee in every single instance. It was only when he couldn't (e.g. trip and start getting beat and have a gun pulled on him) did he use his weapon to shoot.

He's a young kid of 17, I'm pretty sure he could run faster than the men he shot.

 

[Rich2018]

Once you're on the ground and surrounded after already attempting to run from confrontation a second time, there's nowhere else to run to.

Yes there is

You get up and run like hell

At what range are you saying Rittenhouse shot his victims ?

 

[ASHES]

Yes there is

You get up and run like hell

At what range are you saying Rittenhouse shot his victims ?

Running away from the conflict already failed twice. It is not reasonable for him to assume a 3rd time, starting from an even worse strategic position, was going to be successful.

 

[Rich2018]

Running away from the conflict already failed twice.

How do you know how far and how fast Rittenhouse ran ?

It is not reasonable for him to assume a 3rd time, starting from an even worse strategic position, was going to be successful.

The best "strategic" position, would be at home (or wherever he was staying that night)

You didn't answer: At what range do you think Rittenhouse shot his victims ?

 

[justabubba]

How do you know how far and how fast Rittenhouse ran ?



The best "strategic" position, would be at home (or wherever he was staying that night)

You didn't answer: At what range do you think Rittenhouse shot his victims ?

hell of a 'monday morning quarterbacking' example

you may as well have asked 'why wasn't rittenhouse more prescient?'

 

[Rich2018]

hell of a 'monday morning quarterbacking' example

you may as well have asked 'why wasn't rittenhouse more prescient?'

No, just why didn't he get the hell out of there ?

He is a young 17 year old kid and I'm sure he could outrun men he shot and those that allegedly assaulted him.

 

[justabubba]

No, just why didn't he get the hell out of there ?

He is a young 17 year old kid and I'm sure he could outrun men he shot and those that allegedly assaulted him.

there is this concept called 'self defense'

here is some reading to get ready for trial:

Self-defense (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rich2018]

there is this concept called 'self defense'

here is some reading to get ready for trial:

Self-defense (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So running away isn't "self defense" ?