Rittenhouse Defense Team Implodes

[Rich2018]

he'll walk on the shootings
self defense both times

We really need a sticky for this and other recent high profile cases involving guns.

I say he gets convicted of homicide.

 

[ASHES]

The trial, originally scheduled for March 29th, has been pushed back to at least November.

 

[Daddyo]

According to the jury, but not from what I would have voted if I sat on it.

Kyle is an interesting case. The first homicide victim clearly gave chase. Rittenhouse stopped, turned and shot. I'm not sure that's truly justified as a good shoot. Jury will have to decide. The other two shootings are even murkier. IMO, Kyle was a fleeing felon at that point in time.

I watched the Zimmerman trial did you? Z saw Martin in the act of casing a residence. He phoned police as he followed Martin. Seems many residences had been burglarized recently. As Z followed Martin while talking to police, Martin ran. Z asked police if he should follow Martin and they said that they didnt not need him to do that. Z hung up with police and jogged the last known path of Martin. Martin surprised Z by stepping out from his hiding place. Martin punched Z and knocked him down with that single blow. Martin then mounted Z and began to rain down MMA styled punches to Z's head which was resting on the concrete walkway. Z fearing for his life fired a single round ending the attack and killing Martin.

A case of self defense.

The prosecution fearing more riots brought charges they knew were bogus. They argued that he was looking for trouble because he followed Martin. Z was the neighborhood watch head, his reason for following. Martin was acting suspicious. If I remember correctly he had been caught burglarizing before by a school resource officer. He was not charged because of a diversion program meant to keep minority youth out of the prison system. Martin was also a practiced fighter while Z was a puss.

And sir if you have never had a ground and pound attack rained down on your face, I would strongly suggest you try it before passing judgment. I have in practice only and it sucks even with head gear and less than full power. Its easily capable of causing death or great bodily injury which is Florida's use of deadly force requirement.

Zimmerman turned out to be a scum bag but he was justified that night.

 

[GummyVitamins]

He wasn't "attacked."

What do you call a man chasing him down the street after threatening him? You think he was trying to catch him so he could let him know all the nice things he thought about him? In what world does this make any sense to you?

 

[Daddyo]

Rittenhouse, from all I have seen, will walk. He is an utter and complete moron for putting himself in that situation BUT that dumb decision doesn't give those he killed the right to attack him.

Anytime you play cop you are subject to the law if you are wrong. Chasing Rittenhouse for a justifiable shooting only makes those in pursuit subject to the law. The law of self defense in this case.

 

[Rich2018]

What do you call a man chasing him down the street after threatening him? You think he was trying to catch him so he could let him know all the nice things he thought about him? In what world does this make any sense to you?

So, I'm guessing you're predicting an acquittal ?

 

[ASHES]

Rittenhouse, from all I have seen, will walk. He is an utter and complete moron for putting himself in that situation BUT that dumb decision doesn't give those he killed the right to attack him.

Anytime you play cop you are subject to the law if you are wrong. Chasing Rittenhouse for a justifiable shooting only makes those in pursuit subject to the law. The law of self defense in this case.

That's the money bet.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I watched the Zimmerman trial did you? Z saw Martin in the act of casing a residence.

Dude was walking home from the Quikmart.

Stop your lies.

 

[Rich2018]

That's the money bet.

Not my money, which is on a conviction.

 

[Daddyo]

The other shootings are justified if the first one is. Then he wouldn't be a fleeing felon, he'd be a party to self defense, and he would be entitled to defend himself from mistaken 3rd parties.

This is the main reason I instruct my clients to keep out of anyone else's business. Never get involved unless you are 100 percent positive of the situation.

 

[Daddyo]

Nonsense. If it was self defense, why run?

Can't have it both ways.

Self defense-->call 911 and stick around to render aid and answer questions. Felons run. See?

Wow lol! Why run? You have rioters chasing you and you need to ask why run.

What if he had decided to stand his ground? You would be griping about all the extra dead people that would still be alive if he had just ran away lol.

I just can't run these days. Had these rioters been after me my only hope for survival would be to engage them. I'm still pretty good at that. Not a good situation for anyone.

 

[mrjurrs]

We all know that isn't what is being claimed. It is going to be a serious struggle for the DA to overcome the self defense claim.

You don't get to claim self defense when you've already shot someone.

 

[ASHES]

You don't get to claim self defense when you've already shot someone.

The first shooting was self defense. The rest of the shootings were self defense from mistaken third parties.

 

[mrjurrs]

The first shooting was self defense. The rest of the shootings were self defense from mistaken third parties.

Maybe, I'll wait for the jury to decide.

 

[ASHES]

Maybe, I'll wait for the jury to decide.

That'd be a change of pace around here.

 

[Daddyo]

He wasn't "attacked."

If you threaten to disarm me and begin to approach me with a puppy like innocent smile on your face, you are still attacking me.

The fact that I am armed means should I lose my firearm to you, I would be in even more danger.

You like assumptions obviously.......so why do you refuse to assume that someone attempting to disarm a stranger has bad intent in wanting to do so? Rioters wanting to disarm someone protecting businesses from being looted and you claim ot isn't an attack lol. Wont even assume mal intent from the guilty lol. Pretty scary that someone like you might be on that boys jury. Closed mind and zero experience with violent human beings judging a man's life. Pretty sad.

 

[Daddyo]

What do you call a man chasing him down the street after threatening him? You think he was trying to catch him so he could let him know all the nice things he thought about him? In what world does this make any sense to you?

Its the same mindset that thinks that Michael Brown wasn't a threat because he was unarmed.

We were standing guard of my business during the recent riots. We chased away several attempted break ins. Had any of them decided to try to disarm me i would have been forced to use deadly force to prevent it. Now we have added some less than lethal options, pepper spray and pepper balls (for the paintball marker), to give the idiots a last chance before making the ultimate sacrifice.

Graveyard is filled with folks who think like them lol.

 

[calamity]

Wow lol! Why run? You have rioters chasing you and you need to ask why run.
...

There were no rioters chasing him, only concerned citizens trying to stop an active shooter from fleeing.

 

[calamity]

What do you call a man chasing him down the street after threatening him? You think he was trying to catch him so he could let him know all the nice things he thought about him? In what world does this make any sense to you?

Jury's call. I don't see a reason to shoot the midget convicted child molester, not that I mind that he did.

 

[GummyVitamins]

Jury's call. I don't see a reason to shoot the midget convicted child molester, not that I mind that he did.

He doesn't have to incur harm because you don't like his politics. Any reasonable person, let alone a teenager, would fear injury in that scenario... thus self defense. You do know that this confrontation happened because Rosenbaum was furious that Rittenhouse put out a fire.

 

[jaeger19]

I watched the Zimmerman trial did you? Z saw Martin in the act of casing a residence. He phoned police as he followed Martin. Seems many residences had been burglarized recently. As Z followed Martin while talking to police, Martin ran. Z asked police if he should follow Martin and they said that they didnt not need him to do that. Z hung up with police and jogged the last known path of Martin. Martin surprised Z by stepping out from his hiding place. Martin punched Z and knocked him down with that single blow. Martin then mounted Z and began to rain down MMA styled punches to Z's head which was resting on the concrete walkway. Z fearing for his life fired a single round ending the attack and killing Martin.

A case of self defense.

The prosecution fearing more riots brought charges they knew were bogus. They argued that he was looking for trouble because he followed Martin. Z was the neighborhood watch head, his reason for following. Martin was acting suspicious. If I remember correctly he had been caught burglarizing before by a school resource officer. He was not charged because of a diversion program meant to keep minority youth out of the prison system. Martin was also a practiced fighter while Z was a puss.

And sir if you have never had a ground and pound attack rained down on your face, I would strongly suggest you try it before passing judgment. I have in practice only and it sucks even with head gear and less than full power. Its easily capable of causing death or great bodily injury which is Florida's use of deadly force requirement.

Zimmerman turned out to be a scum bag but he was justified that night.

Yeah.. Zimmerman was guilty as hell.
The person who had the right to defend themselves with deadly force was Martin.

He didn;t commit a crime... he was unarmed.. he was pursued by an ARMED person.. not a police officer.. in his own neighbor hood at night.

He had no duty to retreat. He had every right to defend himself using deadly force.

You get pursued by some unknown fellow down a dark alley.. who follows you when you try to get away and then finds you hiding.. and then confronts you and you see that his armed.

Yeah. I am sure that you are going to think that he is there to sell you girl scout cookies.

As far as ground and pound? Zimmerman was trained in defending himself off his back. HE knew that help was on the way.. because he called them
He had been in a ground and pound situation before and DID NOT DIE.. NONE of his injuries were even approaching life threatening...
He had no legitimate fear that he was in imminent danger of grave bodily harm.

 

[calamity]

He doesn't have to incur harm because you don't like his politics. Any reasonable person, let alone a teenager, would fear injury in that scenario... thus self defense.

Then, the jury should have no trouble seeing it that way. I see a guy with a gun running from a midget. That should work in his favor. Kyle can argue he did his due diligence to deescalate but the child molester kept coming after him.

 

[calamity]

Yeah.. Zimmerman was guilty as hell.
The person who had the right to defend themselves with deadly force was Martin.

He didn;t commit a crime... he was unarmed.. he was pursued by an ARMED person.. not a police officer.. in his own neighbor hood at night.

He had no duty to retreat. He had every right to defend himself using deadly force.

You get pursued by some unknown fellow down a dark alley.. who follows you when you try to get away and then finds you hiding.. and then confronts you and you see that his armed.

Yeah. I am sure that you are going to think that he is there to sell you girl scout cookies.

As far as ground and pound? Zimmerman was trained in defending himself off his back. HE knew that help was on the way.. because he called them
He had been in a ground and pound situation before and DID NOT DIE.. NONE of his injuries were even approaching life threatening...
He had no legitimate fear that he was in imminent danger of grave bodily harm.

I agree 100%. Z was the aggressor. Trayvon was the innocent victim of a cowboy asshole with a gun.

 

[Daddyo]

Dude was walking home from the Quikmart.

Stop your lies.

Yes he was and he was just trying to get out of the rain is why he was looking into the windows of apartments. He was walking home and just happened to slip between apartments lol.

I dont give three shats about Zimmerman or Martin. I watched the trial. Martin was a piece of crap criminal with a huge rap sheet. He was a burglar and an attempted murderer. If you believe he was just walking home from the store I've got a bridge to sell you. And a trial video for you to watch. You know the facts not the bull crap.

 

[Daddyo]

There were no rioters chasing him, only concerned citizens trying to stop an active shooter from fleeing.

Lol sure looked like a riot was going on from the video I saw. He admitted he was there to defend businesses from RIOTERS. Those rioter LOOKING people attacked him and he defended himself. He then ran and had a mob of rioter looking people tailing him. The one who had his forearm removed was armed.

He will be acquitted.