KidRocks
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KCConservative said:Culture of Corruption: The new liberal catch phrase. :roll:
gee, ya think?aps said:I wonder if this is true. That sounds a little far fetched.
KCConservative said:gee, ya think?
I was agreeing with you, aps. Relax. No one is angry.aps said:Do you have anything substantive to say, or do you just want to post one-liners that exude anger?
KCConservative said:I was agreeing with you, aps. Relax. No one is angry.
aps said:Well, I should have used the word sarcastic/sarcasm. Sometimes, men need to be put in their place...you know?
KCConservative said::shock:
If you can't handle sarcasm, then you can't handle me.
RightatNYU said:Actually, this isn't far fetched. It's real, although it's happening in a much different fashion than presented.
An alumni group at UCLA is concerned that liberal professors are stifling academic diversity in their classes, and are looking for evidence. They are asking students to tape the classes both as a way to collect evidence and as a deterrent for the professor. It's nowhere near as malicious as it seems. Read about it from a couple different sides here:
http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2006/01/bruin_alumni_as.html
Engimo said:I agree with you, partially. While trying to expose bias in professors is not altogether a terrible goal, the fact of the matter is that videotaping professors without their consent is against the school's policies - students recording their professors in this manner are breaking the rules they agreed to when they decided to attend.
jallman said:Those issues aside, it is just plain absurd to make the claims this group is making. Universities range from ultra conservative (like Duke, Campbell, and NCSU) to ultra liberal (like Berkley and UNC Chapel Hill). If a student doesnt want exposure to liberal idealogies then he/she needs to attend a conservative school. The same is true of those not wanting to indulge conservative ideologies. Professors are under absolutely no moral obligation to limit their bias in the classroom. Passion and bias are what lead most professors of humanities and social sciences to take their educations to the levels that they do...stifling their thought process and teaching styles is insane...and no one is asking the students to agree with the professors on these issues.
Doesn't even have to be excessive...1% can be considered excessive when you're listening to a diatribe from a professor about politics...Engimo said:This is a good point, but there is certainly a point where bias can become excessive. When a professor allows his personal bias towards an ideology or mode of thought to overcome logic and evidence, then he has forfeitted his intellectual credibility and has moved outside of the realm of rational debate.
Of course there is no way to separate professors from their ideologies, and nor should we try, but excessive bias is certainly a problem.
cnredd said:Doesn't even have to be excessive...1% can be considered excessive when you're listening to a diatribe from a professor about politics...
...in math class...
I wouldn't mind a professor saying what he feels in relationship to politics IF that, is indeed, the reason for the class...
But if I'm payin' money for astronomy, chemistry, and trig, I don't want my professor telling me about his feelings on the current foreign policy on MY time...
Yup...Engimo said:That was sort of implied in what I was saying. Obviously professors should not be interjecting entirely irrelevant subject matter into their classes; it clearly does a disservice to the students if they are hearing about the evils of Communism during their calculus class.
Engimo said:That was sort of implied in what I was saying. Obviously professors should not be interjecting entirely irrelevant subject matter into their classes; it clearly does a disservice to the students if they are hearing about the evils of Communism during their calculus class.
Engimo said:I agree with you, partially. While trying to expose bias in professors is not altogether a terrible goal, the fact of the matter is that videotaping professors without their consent is against the school's policies - students recording their professors in this manner are breaking the rules they agreed to when they decided to attend.
debate_junkie said:Not only that. I first heard of this story on NPR and the president of this Republican group was interviewed. He said a majority of the reasoning behind this action was because conservative students, in relative discussions, have been "stifled" of expressing their views, or have their views completely dissed by said "liberal" professors. Now in politics, sociology, and religion.. views will ALWAYS clash. If professors ARE stifling the views of those who aren't agreement with the teacher's views, exposing this to the University board is necessary. However, I think there's a bit more to it than that. One professor, who appeared on the list of liberal professors, says she's had to limit what she can say in class, because of possible reprecussuions, and that I don't condone, not in the classroom. If adults can't speak, without acting like children, we're doomed.
RightatNYU said:i dont believe they're asking them to break the rules. many classrooms allow taping for note purposes, so in those scenarios, its alright.
jallman said:Those issues aside, it is just plain absurd to make the claims this group is making. Universities range from ultra conservative (like Duke, Campbell, and NCSU) to ultra liberal (like Berkley and UNC Chapel Hill). If a student doesnt want exposure to liberal idealogies then he/she needs to attend a conservative school. The same is true of those not wanting to indulge conservative ideologies. Professors are under absolutely no moral obligation to limit their bias in the classroom. Passion and bias are what lead most professors of humanities and social sciences to take their educations to the levels that they do...stifling their thought process and teaching styles is insane...and no one is asking the students to agree with the professors on these issues.
Deegan said:You just refuse to accept this as a real issue, and if I used your logic, I would tell you to just move to San Fran, if you don't want to be gay bashed.:roll:
I am all for this, it is quite obvious to me, that some folks need solid proof, because they are living in a dream world.
Engimo said:Yes, but in this case the students were breaking copyright by selling the lectures without the permission of the school and instructor.
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