globalvision said:'what is a right' surely a right is a product of our morality. but i do not believe there is a morality but rather a plurality of moralities.
globalvision said:i agree with you in part vauge a right is established by the government. but if this is the case then it is not a priori in any sense, it is our creation. also a right is therefore within a state and cannot be a universal. therefore is the UN declaration on human rights valid. America says that everyone has the right to freedom but how can this be so, the right to freedom may exist in the US but this does not mean it exists in everyplace.
globalvision said:i cannot believe that morality is constant, or as you say a moral. i would also disagree that 10000 years ago it was immoral to kill without provocation. there are many places where killing without provocation occurred. but i suppose it depends on how you interpret it. is slavery immoral, i would like to hope it was, but America in part had a war about it, although interpretation of the constitution was one of the main reasons of the civil war.
vauge said:For example, some people will be strongly anti-abortion but pro capital punsihment, or vice versa. Neither of those is *logical*.
Your example is questionable. I am VERY anti-abortion and VERY pro-capital punishment. A child that is in the womb cannot make a choice. An adult can. An adult can choose to murder or commit violent crimes. A little person in the womb can only wait in the warm comfortable surrounding. How is this illogical?
globalvision said:well thank vauge. for splitting the topic i will try to write one back on the abortion topic as i can see that you are very anti-abortion.
Because, from a logical point of view, either it's OK to take a life or it isn't. Not "It's OK when I say it is and not OK when I say it isn't." We make subjective judgements about things, based on our personal world view all the time. It's part of what we are!
vauge said:I see where you are coming from, but respectfully disagree. To me it is to kill an innocent or to demand justice to a criminal.
Naughty Nurse said:And if the "criminal" was wrongly convicted (and it happens) then an innocent has been killed. Is that OK?
vauge said:Comparing ~30 people killed a year (in US) using the death penalty a year to hundreds of thousands of babies killed is not logical either.
globalvision said:can you just say it is moraly wrong to kill anyone?
i do not belive in the death penalty.
Naughty Nurse said:No, not really! It may be OK in self defence, for instance. At work I regularly give strong opiate drugs to people. I may have technically killed people that way - no way of knowing as they're so close to death anyway. There are few absolutes in life, and therin lies the problem!
dont worry naughty nurse i only said that to get a response from you. of course there are no absolutes if there was we would not be debating it and the problem would have been solved a lot longer ago. people die in war but even the church says there can be a 'just war'.
globalvision said:[dont worry naughty nurse i only said that to get a response from you.
globalvision said:maybe i will make an executive decision and send bush to iraq, where he can share a cell with his bud saddam
globalvision said:he does not want to leave much in his legacy does he, um lets see, No1 solve northern ireland, No2 solve the middle east crises, No3 solve world poverty, No4 solve environmental problem, No5 eradicate terrorism ect ect
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