They are not always given all the information. Health care workers can be just as stubbornly set in their beliefs, particularly if they hope that they can make a person better despite the odds being against it.
We shouldn't help because it is our professional standard to save life, not end it. As I said, passive measures are okay with me if people have stated that wish in written and legal form. Otherwise, if you want to die, at least take the responsibility to do it to yourself.
Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....
What would you do?
Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....
What would you do?
Give her enough pain medication to relieve the pain. Pain medication doesn't put you into a coma. It will kill you if you get enough for that to happen.
So...you would "Give her enough medication to relieve the pain", knowing full well she will die (as I stated that is the only way to do so)?
That's not the way it works. With pain medication, you titrate up to get the desired effect. You don't arbitrarily go from 1 mg of morphine to a 10 mg dose. That would not only be stupid, but negligent as well.
My question again: "Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....
What would you do?"
As you can see, to relieve the Pain, she will die.
I ask this because someone very close to me was in this position and forced to decide.
My question again: "Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....
What would you do?"
As you can see, to relieve the Pain, she will die.
I ask this because someone very close to me was in this position and forced to decide.
I would do what is realistic, which is exactly what I said. Your hypothetical scenario isn't real-world- it's fantasy which you asked just to make a point.
No, I am asking to see if you would do the same as my *******************, and you would not. I can only hope I end up with someone a bit more compassionate.
Because mental illness inherently robs someone of the sound judgment necessary to make such a decision. As far as "what gives others the right to judge", it's the same thing that gives us the right to judge that kids can't smoke cigarettes: Kids who smoke cigarettes, like mentally ill people who want to kill themselves, generally aren't capable of making a rational decision and should therefore be protected from hurting themselves.
No, I am asking to see if you would do the same as my *******************, and you would not. I can only hope I end up with someone a bit more compassionate.
Why should you be able to restrict the child's ability to do what they decides to do to their body? Because they don't understand? Again, why must you understand what you are doing to be able to practice your rights? Why is it needed?
Generally speaking, people who are not of sound mind are prohibited from self-harm because they may come to regret their actions once they have acquired (or re-acquired) the ability to make a rational decision.
I'm a bit confused by your post. Are you suggesting that children SHOULD be allowed to smoke cigarettes if they want to?
Question: If you are the doctor of a sweet and beautiful grandmother, who you have cared for over a month or so, to the point you love her. She is in extreme pain and you know full well anything stronger will either kill her or put her in a coma, but she looks in your eyes, pleading as she asks for the pain to end, and she is ready to pass.....
That doesn't really mean much though. Why does it matter when talking about access to your rights if you regret it in the future?
But you said that it doesn't matter whether something offends your personal ethics as long as it doesn't offend someone else's.
Because it isn't fair to the victim to be harmed, perhaps irreparably, by something outside of their control.
That is something that we should try to prevent if at all possible.
If someone who isn't capable of rational action does something that harms themselves, that is every bit as bad as someone or something else harming them.
OK, well if you believe that kids should be able to smoke cigarettes, then let's take this to its logical conclusion.
Do you believe that kids should be allowed to shoot up heroin if they want to?
Should they be allowed to have sex with adults if they want to?
Their body their choice, even if they regret those actions later...right? :shock:
I can assure you that most of us in the medical professions are far more aware of the realities of terminal illness than you seem to believe. We treat those who want treatment with agressiveness, and when they don't want treatment, we understand, but we don't try to keep hopeless situations hanging on unless the patient and/or family desires this. It just adds to the suffering.
What? Not even close. Someone harming themselves rational or not is making a decision on their life and how they want to live it at that moment.
There are certainly hospitals that will keep patients from leaving to go home with their family if the patient isn't considered "terminally ill" but they still are not doing well. And they will go so far as to make the patient's family feel that taking the person out of the hospital is what will kill them, not the fact that the person is very sick or just old to begin with and likely to die in the hospital.
This is my baby. My best friend of 14 years. 2 hours befor the vet arrived. I promised him. And he knew. Andhe was ready.
I pray someone will do the same for me. Because he wait for me. And I wait for him to meet me on the other side of rainbow bridge.
And now tht I have commenced to get myself totally bawling..I bid you all goodnight. I wont be so maudlin in the morning. Promise. Its just a sad sad subject.
So for clarification..those who are just weary should have the same trust that someone who loves them will do the same as what I did for my friend and loved on. my dog.
Why does the decision need to be rational? Does an action need to be rational for it be taken? Does a action need to be understood by the people that practice it? I'm really sorry, but I don't see any difference here. I know you are into this whole thing, but rational or irrational behavior doesn't change the nature of the behavior. It is still the same behavior and it still falls under the right to control your body. When talking about wisdom of such a decision perhaps, but that is not really the same thing.
The mentally ill have all the rights of anyone else. Just because they are unstable does not change it. It only changes how you view it, but that alone is not a factor. I understand your want to help them, but that doesn't matter.
"mental patient" includes those who have been suffering from debilitating depression / anxiety for years and it does not go away.irrational behaviour cant control your body.and the decision of a mental patient is usually irrational.
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