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Rift Between Trump and Europe Is Now Open and Angry

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Rift Between Trump and Europe Is Now Open and Angry

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Pence speaking at the MSC. The mention of Trump drew no applause.

2/17/19
MUNICH — European leaders have long been alarmed that President Trump’s words and Twitter messages could undo a trans-Atlantic alliance that had grown stronger over seven decades. They had clung to the hope that those ties would bear up under the strain. But in the last few days of a prestigious annual security conference in Munich, the rift between Europe and the Trump administration became open, angry and concrete, diplomats and analysts say. A senior German official, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to speak on such matters, shrugged his shoulders and said: “No one any longer believes that Trump cares about the views or interests of the allies. It’s broken.” The most immediate danger, diplomats and intelligence officials warned, is that the trans-Atlantic fissures now risk being exploited by Russia and China. Even the normally gloomy Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, happily noted the strains, remarking that the Euro-Atlantic relationship had become increasingly “tense.” “We see new cracks forming, and old cracks deepening,” Mr. Lavrov said. But beyond the Trump administration, an increasing number of Europeans say they believe that relations with the United States will never be the same again. Karl Kaiser, a longtime analyst of German-American relations, said, “Two years of Mr. Trump, and a majority of French and Germans now trust Russia and China more than the United States.” Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff, a former adviser to the German president and director of the Berlin office of the German Marshall Fund, said, “If an alliance becomes unilateral and transactional, then it’s no longer an alliance.”

There were signs that not all American and European leaders were willing to surrender the alliance so easily. To show solidarity with Europe, more than 50 American lawmakers, both Republicans and Democrats — a record number — attended the Munich Security Conference. They came, said Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat of New Hampshire, “to show Europeans that there is another branch of government which strongly supports NATO and the trans-Atlantic alliance.” Nathalie Tocci, a senior adviser to the European foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, said that for Europeans, the divide went “to the heart of how we view international relations and our national interest.” Europeans are waiting for change in the White House, Ms. Tocci and others said. “The Europeans are holding their breath and thinking that it’s maybe only two more years,” said Victoria Nuland, a former senior American official. Jan Techau, director of the Europe Program at the German Marshall Fund in Berlin, worries that the intervening gap will mean strategic vulnerability to Russia and China. The United States faces “a superpower’s dilemma,” Mr. Techau said. It has to “pressure allies to do more,” he said. “At the same time, the message has to be ‘We will always be there.’” “Trump does not understand the price he pays in strategic terms when he bashes his allies so publicly and openly,” Mr. Techau added. If there is any ambiguity, he said, Russia and China know that the security guarantee is no longer real. “When that protection goes,” he said, “then this strategic space is up for grabs.”

In only two years, Donald Trump has undone seventy years of diplomatic work by twelve previous American presidents, from Harry Truman to Barrack Obama.

Today the United States is more alone than ever, with a president that openly admires authoritarian regimes. None of those twelve presidents would applaud the foreign policy of Trumpism.

Related: Nancy Pelosi to Europe: Trump is not the boss
 
Yeah, by building the missile defense shield Obama RENEGED ON, and selling arms to the Ukraine to defend themselves.

Germany is still BUTTHURT over his CALLING THEM OUT ON THE RUSSIAN GAS PIPELINE, and they are ALL PISSED the PRESIDENT DIDN'T FALL FOR THEIR SCAM to FLEECE US in the PARIS ACCORD.

They much prefer a US POTUS who they can easily ROLL, like they did to the DUPE Obama for 8 years.
 
Rift Between Trump and Europe Is Now Open and Angry

image

Pence speaking at the MSC. The mention of Trump drew no applause.



In only two years, Donald Trump has undone seventy years of diplomatic work by twelve previous American presidents, from Harry Truman to Barrack Obama.

Today the United States is more alone than ever, with a president that openly admires authoritarian regimes. None of those twelve presidents would applaud the foreign policy of Trumpism.

Related: Nancy Pelosi to Europe: Trump is not the boss

**** those freeloaders off of our military protection.
 
Putin-Trump Fanboys want the USA to be more like Russia than the other way around. The reason is unmistakably obvious, i.e, they have become what we once fought against in war and defeated. Since Putin returned to the presidency in 2012 he's been their man. All the way and completely. They don't dare admit to it categorically because it identifies 'em for what they are, traitors.

Indeed the PTF ignore the strategic space that's opened in Europe for CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing and for Putin & Co. separately and jointly. PTF refuse to address this and the adverse consequences for the United States which are immediate and profound. This goes beyond old fashioned isolationism. It is treason active and malevolent.
 
Rift Between Trump and Europe Is Now Open and Angry

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Pence speaking at the MSC. The mention of Trump drew no applause.



In only two years, Donald Trump has undone seventy years of diplomatic work by twelve previous American presidents, from Harry Truman to Barrack Obama.

Today the United States is more alone than ever, with a president that openly admires authoritarian regimes. None of those twelve presidents would applaud the foreign policy of Trumpism.

Related: Nancy Pelosi to Europe: Trump is not the boss
By all means end the facade and openly align yourself with russia and china. The honesty will be a refreshimg change.

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The Right posts as if Putin and Russia didn't exist or were innocents.

Yeah, by building the missile defense shield Obama RENEGED ON, and selling arms to the Ukraine to defend themselves.



Der....
 
By all means end the facade and openly align yourself with russia and china. The honesty will be a refreshimg change.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Yeah, by building the missile defense shield Obama RENEGED ON, and selling arms to the Ukraine to defend themselves.
 
By all means end the facade and openly align yourself with russia and china. The honesty will be a refreshimg change.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk


Is that advice for Trump? I suppose it's possible for him to be a little more open about his allegiance to Putin. He's sending more mixed signals to Xi.
 
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Yeah, by building the missile defense shield Obama RENEGED ON, and selling arms to the Ukraine to defend themselves.



Der....

This is the Pentagon prevailing not Trump.

Pentagon did not appoint Putin's guy Michael Flynn as national security adviser. Neither did Pentagon meet secretly with Wikileaks. Nor did Pentagon work for Putin in Ukraine or change the Republican party platform to be soft on Russia. And Pentagon isn't trying to build a hotel in Moscow. Pentagon didn't have an unannounced meeting in the oval office with the Russian ambassador, foreign minister and press only to hand over classified information to 'em. Pentagon doesn't meet secretly with Putin or any Russians and keep the contents of the secret meeting closed to US intelligence agencies and the Pentagon itself. And so on. Putin-Trump Fanboys in USA try to act as if nothing were happening outside their closed and selective posts. You guys are one track only and disciplined at it which betrays you completely.
 
Is that advice for Trump? I suppose it's possible for him to be a little more open about his allegiance to Putin. He's sending more mixed signals to Xi.
So now you parroted your talking point how about you back your claim up with evidence

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Rift Between Trump and Europe Is Now Open and Angry

image

Pence speaking at the MSC. The mention of Trump drew no applause.



In only two years, Donald Trump has undone seventy years of diplomatic work by twelve previous American presidents, from Harry Truman to Barrack Obama.

Today the United States is more alone than ever, with a president that openly admires authoritarian regimes. None of those twelve presidents would applaud the foreign policy of Trumpism.

Related: Nancy Pelosi to Europe: Trump is not the boss

When is Putin going to appear with a "Mission Accomplished" banner gloriously displayed behind him?
 
This is the Pentagon prevailing not Trump.

Pentagon did not appoint Putin's guy Michael Flynn as national security adviser. Neither did Pentagon meet secretly with Wikileaks. Nor did Pentagon work for Putin in Ukraine or change the Republican party platform to be soft on Russia. And Pentagon isn't trying to build a hotel in Moscow. Pentagon didn't have an unannounced meeting in the oval office with the Russian ambassador, foreign minister and press only to hand over classified information to 'em. Pentagon doesn't meet secretly with Putin or any Russians and keep the contents of the secret meeting closed to US intelligence agencies and the Pentagon itself. And so on. Putin-Trump Fanboys in USA try to act as if nothing were happening outside their closed and selective posts. You guys are one track only and disciplined at it which betrays you completely.

Now now, let's not besmirch Dear Leader. His base loves him. More than their country apparently.
 
So now you parroted your talking point how about you back your claim up with evidence

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Where's your evidence that Rogue Valley feels a kinship with Russia and China? Trump on foreign soil declared that he trusted Putin more than American intelligence. He goes to international meetings and looks completely lost until Putin shows up and then when they share grins he beams like a lovesick teen. He's eventually going to let Xi toss him a bone which he will call a win so that the U.S. can finally limp away from his trade war, and then he'll return to his previous gushing over Xi. Of course in the meantime, he'll make do with photo ops with his bff Kim.
 
With Trump at the helm, Russia and China are actually more reliable potential partners than the U.S. is.

I started to say the U.S. has become the leader of the Axis of Evil, but it's worse than that. The U.S. is the leader of nothing, and is being played by the dictators of the world.
 
Now now, let's not besmirch Dear Leader. His base loves him. More than their country apparently.


The base is loyal to a fault.

Yet the base of Republicans/Conservatives have finally put country above party.

Trouble is it's the wrong country.
 
Yeah, by building the missile defense shield Obama RENEGED ON, and selling arms to the Ukraine to defend themselves.

Germany is still BUTTHURT over his CALLING THEM OUT ON THE RUSSIAN GAS PIPELINE, and they are ALL PISSED the PRESIDENT DIDN'T FALL FOR THEIR SCAM to FLEECE US in the PARIS ACCORD.

They much prefer a US POTUS who they can easily ROLL, like they did to the DUPE Obama for 8 years.

Exactly. We have someone standing up for the US for once and they don't know how to handle it. Naturally, the left jumps right in because they don't want the POTUS standing up for us, either. Obama was their prototype leader.
 
This is the Pentagon prevailing not Trump.

Pentagon did not appoint Putin's guy Michael Flynn as national security adviser. Neither did Pentagon meet secretly with Wikileaks. Nor did Pentagon work for Putin in Ukraine or change the Republican party platform to be soft on Russia. And Pentagon isn't trying to build a hotel in Moscow. Pentagon didn't have an unannounced meeting in the oval office with the Russian ambassador, foreign minister and press only to hand over classified information to 'em. Pentagon doesn't meet secretly with Putin or any Russians and keep the contents of the secret meeting closed to US intelligence agencies and the Pentagon itself. And so on. Putin-Trump Fanboys in USA try to act as if nothing were happening outside their closed and selective posts. You guys are one track only and disciplined at it which betrays you completely.

Complete and TOTAL BULL****.


Trump approved BOTH the E.European Missile Defense shield in PUTIN's BACKYARD (POLAND) that OBAMA RENEGED ON, and selling arms to the Ukraine as wall as BOMBING the RUSSIANS in Syria.

"The Pentagon" doesn't get to enact it's OWN FOREIGN POLICY.


Feel free to continue making up whatever BULL**** you need to pretend is true....

You TDSers are ****ing ridiculous; first TRUMP IS A TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR, RULING WITH IMPUNITY!! Unless he does something great, like the EUROPEAN MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD and/or ARMING THE UKRAINE; then SUDDENLY..it's "HE DIDN'T DO THAT..SOMEONE ELSE DID...HE DOESN'T CONTROL ANYTHING..HE DOESN'T KNOW WT **** IS GOING ON!!!!"

Like a bunch of FIVE YEAR OLDS....
 
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Exactly. We have someone standing up for the US for once and they don't know how to handle it. Naturally, the left jumps right in because they don't want the POTUS standing up for us, either. Obama was their prototype leader.

And Trump is your prototype leader--an immoral idiot.
 
I don't know what's immoral about putting US interests first. Interesting that this would upset any American.

Trump puts the Kremlin's interests before that of our Kurd allies. His cut and run in Syria is a gift to Putin, Assad, Erdogan, and Khamenei.

Spasiba komrade Donnie.
 
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Why China Loves Trump
The people love a winner. The leadership loves a dupe.
BENJAMIN CARLSON MARCH 2018 ISSUE

From the very beginning, the Communist Party seems to have understood that Trump’s threats were, for the most part, merely for show. By refusing to be rattled, China has enjoyed a series of rhetorical and strategic triumphs that have enhanced its global image and increased its international influence. China also appears to have assessed that Trump, the self-proclaimed master deal maker, would rather have a bad deal than no deal at all, and could be persuaded to compromise on almost anything in order to declare a “win.”

Take the $250 billion in deals announced during Trump’s visit to China in November. Many of the agreements were nonbinding memorandums of understanding, and some had already been negotiated. And while they made a nice headline, they did nothing to address the fundamental problems that U.S. companies face in China: requirements to share technological trade secrets with Chinese partners in exchange for access to Chinese markets; restrictions on entering huge swathes of the economy; industrial policies that explicitly aim to oust foreign firms in fields ranging from information technology to electric vehicles.

Yet China won warm praise from Trump, who professed his “very deep respect” for the country and the “noble traditions of its people.” During an unprecedented “state visit–plus,” as China’s foreign ministry put it, which included a 21-gun salute, a military parade, and a dinner in the Forbidden City, Trump stunned observers by saying he no longer faulted China for its trade policies.

“I don’t blame China,” he said during a joint appearance with President Xi Jinping, adding that he gives the country “great credit” for taking advantage of the U.S. on trade.

Such remarks support the view of Shen Dingli, a professor of international relations at Fudan University. Trump, he told me, is “an especially easy president for China to handle.”

“We are lucky,” he added.

Trump may make more sense in China than he does in Washington

This divergence was nowhere clearer than at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit held in Da Nang, Vietnam, after Trump’s visit in November. There, Xi Jinping outlined a vision of China at the center of the region’s diplomatic, development, and trade architecture, reiterating his country’s support for multilateral free-trade schemes. Trump, meanwhile, struck a pugnacious tone, saying that America had gotten stuck with the bad end of trade deals during previous administrations and warning that “those days are over.”

Trump’s posture stands in marked contrast to China’s plans for engagement of various kinds with countries throughout Asia. The centerpiece of China’s efforts is the Belt and Road Initiative (also known as the New Silk Road), an ambitious strategy to fund infrastructure projects across Eurasia that would increase foreign trade with China’s inland provinces and bolster its geopolitical clout. Often likened to the Marshall Plan, the Belt and Road Initiative brought 29 heads of state to Beijing for a summit last May, where Xi declared it “the project of the century.” Among the attendees was a delegation sent by Trump, a gesture seen as offering a tacit endorsement of Xi’s vision.
 
And Trump is your prototype leader--an immoral idiot.

According to Trump's behavior, his base is largely made up of racists. And according to his behavior he thinks it's a good idea to exploit this racism for political gain.

So yes, I think "Immoral idiot" is an accurate description.
 
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Why China Loves Trump
The people love a winner. The leadership loves a dupe.
BENJAMIN CARLSON MARCH 2018 ISSUE

From the very beginning, the Communist Party seems to have understood that Trump’s threats were, for the most part, merely for show. By refusing to be rattled, China has enjoyed a series of rhetorical and strategic triumphs that have enhanced its global image and increased its international influence. China also appears to have assessed that Trump, the self-proclaimed master deal maker, would rather have a bad deal than no deal at all, and could be persuaded to compromise on almost anything in order to declare a “win.”

Take the $250 billion in deals announced during Trump’s visit to China in November. Many of the agreements were nonbinding memorandums of understanding, and some had already been negotiated. And while they made a nice headline, they did nothing to address the fundamental problems that U.S. companies face in China: requirements to share technological trade secrets with Chinese partners in exchange for access to Chinese markets; restrictions on entering huge swathes of the economy; industrial policies that explicitly aim to oust foreign firms in fields ranging from information technology to electric vehicles.

Yet China won warm praise from Trump, who professed his “very deep respect” for the country and the “noble traditions of its people.” During an unprecedented “state visit–plus,” as China’s foreign ministry put it, which included a 21-gun salute, a military parade, and a dinner in the Forbidden City, Trump stunned observers by saying he no longer faulted China for its trade policies.

“I don’t blame China,” he said during a joint appearance with President Xi Jinping, adding that he gives the country “great credit” for taking advantage of the U.S. on trade.

Such remarks support the view of Shen Dingli, a professor of international relations at Fudan University. Trump, he told me, is “an especially easy president for China to handle.”

“We are lucky,” he added.

Trump may make more sense in China than he does in Washington

This divergence was nowhere clearer than at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit held in Da Nang, Vietnam, after Trump’s visit in November. There, Xi Jinping outlined a vision of China at the center of the region’s diplomatic, development, and trade architecture, reiterating his country’s support for multilateral free-trade schemes. Trump, meanwhile, struck a pugnacious tone, saying that America had gotten stuck with the bad end of trade deals during previous administrations and warning that “those days are over.”

Trump’s posture stands in marked contrast to China’s plans for engagement of various kinds with countries throughout Asia. The centerpiece of China’s efforts is the Belt and Road Initiative (also known as the New Silk Road), an ambitious strategy to fund infrastructure projects across Eurasia that would increase foreign trade with China’s inland provinces and bolster its geopolitical clout. Often likened to the Marshall Plan, the Belt and Road Initiative brought 29 heads of state to Beijing for a summit last May, where Xi declared it “the project of the century.” Among the attendees was a delegation sent by Trump, a gesture seen as offering a tacit endorsement of Xi’s vision.

All of the Asian countries have been rolling out the double wide, extra shiny Red Carpet for Trump because they realize that's what's important to him, and his base. Trump would gladly give up billions of dollars in trade for headlines of him being honored in extravegent fashion. And so would his base.
 
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