Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

There is no point in showing the low levels of fraud in SNAP, there is no point in doing so for someone who has an obvious bias against blacks, who comes into a discussion initially denying it and then is fine with the establishment of it, who has no problem flirting with the idea of denying govt supplement to the neediest, especially in recessions. It doesn't matter if I show the declines in ALL teen births, it is rejected. I have no ability to effect your bias, this sort of bias is more often than not a very deeply held view that is only ended by the passing of the person. It is very rare for people who hold such views to really change. It effects perception, ergo, I cannot change your perspective. I can't change it with verifiable fact....so what is the point?

I know what the stats are, it reflects REPORTED cases. I see abuse every day, but I don't report it. Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have a bias against anyone who receives government assistance that doesn't necessarily NEED it. And what I mean by that is if you had made more responsible choices, big ones, you wouldn't need to be on government assistance. People come into unfortunate circumstances by no fault of their own; long term illness, job loss, needing to quit a job to care for an elderly/sick family member, people who work full time jobs that can't make ends meet. That is what safety nets are for. However, the reality is, from my experience 50% of the people receiving benefits don't fall into that category. I receive letters from clients thanking me for my help ecstatic that they found gainful employment, able to support themselves and their families. And then I have clients tell me "I ain't tryin' to work no job" or "sex with a condom doesn't feel as good". That's verbatim what clients have told me. So yeah it's going to be damn hard to change my perspective.

 

[ludin]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Basis....is not complete. Ergo, you admit the incompleteness.

with all the items he mention you could put together several meals with those.
so it was a base list for many meals that could be pre-pared out of those items.

you obviously don't understand a recipe list or an ingredient list.

 

[ludin]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

I can't eat tomatoes, onions, spinach, or tuna.

You have the basis for feeding slaves, not free people.

I doubt slaves had tuna, however if you are on a rice and beans budget that is what you eat.
you don't get the filet mignon or the NY strip.

if you can't eat those things then there are other things you can eat to fit the budget. steak and lobster are not in that group of items.
and no that list is not a list for feeding slaves.

that is a normal list to feed any family that is living on an extreme budget.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

I know what the stats are, it reflects REPORTED cases. I see abuse every day, but I don't report it. Just because it's not reported doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have a bias against anyone who receives government assistance that doesn't necessarily NEED it. And what I mean by that is if you had made more responsible choices, big ones, you wouldn't need to be on government assistance. People come into unfortunate circumstances by no fault of their own; long term illness, job loss, needing to quit a job to care for an elderly/sick family member, people who work full time jobs that can't make ends meet. That is what safety nets are for. However, the reality is, from my experience 50% of the people receiving benefits don't fall into that category. I receive letters from clients thanking me for my help ecstatic that they found gainful employment, able to support themselves and their families. And then I have clients tell me "I ain't tryin' to work no job" or "sex with a condom doesn't feel as good". That's verbatim what clients have told me. So yeah it's going to be damn hard to change my perspective.

As I said before, you should find a different career if you are not reporting abuse, are holding to racist viewpoints and want to end assisting those in need. There is no possible way you can help those you are apparently charged with doing so with these biases.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

with all the items he mention you could put together several meals with those.
so it was a base list for many meals that could be pre-pared out of those items.

you obviously don't understand a recipe list or an ingredient list.

It is his statement that the list of ingredients are only a basis, meaning not complete, and his basis as is does not provide for enough calories, and the calories primarily come from rice.

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

As I said before, you should find a different career if you are not reporting abuse, are holding to racist viewpoints and want to end assisting those in need. There is no possible way you can help those you are apparently charged with doing so with these biases.

Yup, I'm jaded as hell, racist whatever you want to call me. But I left the corporate sh*tshow to do what I'm doing. If I have one client a year that becomes self-sufficient it'll keep me going.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Those are my choices, with a limited budget. others would choose differently.
My point is, and always has been, that people of food assistance, could stretch the
available dollars further, if they were educated in meal planning.

And if they could spend three hours a day preparing food.

And if they had the spices needed to make the food palatable.

And if they could afford to go to the store every few days for more fresh ingredients.

Why don't we just hire cooks ? They're only paid, what, $15/hr. That's only $45/day. Seven days a week, that's $305/week spent preparing food to "save" money.

Rich people could be more philanthropic if they were educated in how it helps society. Maybe we should just force them to spend more money on the rest of us ?

Teaching people good shopping habits, will help them long after they are off public assistance,
and could help break the cycle of poverty, unless your goal is to keep people in poverty!
I really thought liberals were about enlightening others, all I see here is liberals arguing to
keep people in ignorance.

No, it is a ridiculous right wing accusation that empowering the poor somehow cripples them. It is as disgusting as it is wrong.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

I doubt slaves had tuna, however if you are on a rice and beans budget that is what you eat.
you don't get the filet mignon or the NY strip.

if you can't eat those things then there are other things you can eat to fit the budget. steak and lobster are not in that group of items.
and no that list is not a list for feeding slaves.

that is a normal list to feed any family that is living on an extreme budget.

Who the **** is talking about steak or lobster ?

I know, if the only things that matter are whether they get enough calories and nutrients, let's give them dog food !!

 

[ludin]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

It is his statement that the list of ingredients are only a basis, meaning not complete, and his basis as is does not provide for enough calories, and the calories primarily come from rice.

then how come I knew what he meant you didn't?

it is a base list of ingredients for meals. it isn't that hard to understand for most people.

all the ingredients on the list is a well designed balanced meal once you put it all together there is plenty of calories.
you really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[ludin]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Who the **** is talking about steak or lobster ?

I know, if the only things that matter are whether they get enough calories and nutrients, let's give them dog food !!

the list he provided what not dog food or anything close to it.
the list that was given was plenty in means of nutrition and everything else for someone on a low income budget.

there was nothing on that list that you described as food for slaves.

so save your appeal to BS arguments.
I can't even say emotion because it wasn't an appeal to emotion but to BS.

food for slaves worst argument yet. lol

 

[longview]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

And if they could spend three hours a day preparing food.

And if they had the spices needed to make the food palatable.

And if they could afford to go to the store every few days for more fresh ingredients.

Why don't we just hire cooks ? They're only paid, what, $15/hr. That's only $45/day. Seven days a week, that's $305/week spent preparing food to "save" money.

Rich people could be more philanthropic if they were educated in how it helps society. Maybe we should just force them to spend more money on the rest of us ?



No, it is a ridiculous right wing accusation that empowering the poor somehow cripples them. It is as disgusting as it is wrong.

Do you even read what you write?
who said anything about what you are talking about?
I would like everyone to be educated, earning a living and paying taxes.
Why are you arguing against educating people?

FYI if we actually educated the rich, they would quickly come to realize our constitution
does no charter our government to engage in any type of charity.

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

No, it is a ridiculous right wing accusation that empowering the poor somehow cripples them. It is as disgusting as it is wrong.

Empowering them through food choices does jack sh*t. It's a crutch until they can stand on their own two feet. Making life uncomfortable and hard is what motivates some people to change. Living on SNAP shouldn't be a lifestyle, making it comfortable enough to do so is a detriment.

 

[ludin]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

And if they could spend three hours a day preparing food.

And if they had the spices needed to make the food palatable.

salt and pepper are pretty cheap and go a long way on a short budget. you don't need a lot of spices to make
food taste good. most spices you can get for a dollar here or a dollar there.

it doesn't take 3 hours it takes maybe a half hour depending on what you are making.

And if they could afford to go to the store every few days for more fresh ingredients.

that is why they buy what they need when they go to the store.

Rich people could be more philanthropic if they were educated in how it helps society. Maybe we should just force them to spend more money on the rest of us ?

most grocery stores I know have some kind of meal prep thing that they offer. I know our grocery store does.

No, it is a ridiculous right wing accusation that empowering the poor somehow cripples them. It is as disgusting as it is wrong.

yea so far this idea that they can't shop for food etc ... is what is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

the list he provided what not dog food or anything close to it.
the list that was given was plenty in means of nutrition and everything else for someone on a low income budget.

there was nothing on that list that you described as food for slaves.

so save your appeal to BS arguments.
I can't even say emotion because it wasn't an appeal to emotion but to BS.

food for slaves worst argument yet. lol

How about we give them seeds instead ??

After all, if they can cook their own meals, they can grow their own food !!

Okay, so they'll need land, they'll need equipment, they'll need education, they'll need a kitchen, they'll need irrigation, they'll need soil, they'll need fertilizer, they'll need eating utensils, they'll need to devote most of the day to just keeping themselves alive- oh, it'll cost far more, but let's do it to save money.

Lol...

 

[Absentglare]

Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Do you even read what you write?
who said anything about what you are talking about?
I would like everyone to be educated, earning a living and paying taxes.
Why are you arguing against educating people?

FYI if we actually educated the rich, they would quickly come to realize our constitution
does no charter our government to engage in any type of charity.

I'm arguing against further constricting the poor, i'm arguing against refusing to give them money for food.

Also, you may want to read the constitution, and understand what "general welfare" means.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Empowering them through food choices does jack sh*t. It's a crutch until they can stand on their own two feet. Making life uncomfortable and hard is what motivates some people to change. Living on SNAP shouldn't be a lifestyle, making it comfortable enough to do so is a detriment.

Oh, the flogging will continue until morale improves ?

 

[JayDubya]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

I'm arguing against further constricting the poor, i'm arguing against refusing to give them money for food.

Also, you may want to read the constitution, and understand what "general welfare" means.

Oh, wow.

It sure as **** doesn't mean what you think it does.

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

salt and pepper are pretty cheap and go a long way on a short budget. you don't need a lot of spices to make
food taste good. most spices you can get for a dollar here or a dollar there.

it doesn't take 3 hours it takes maybe a half hour depending on what you are making.


that is why they buy what they need when they go to the store.



most grocery stores I know have some kind of meal prep thing that they offer. I know our grocery store does.



yea so far this idea that they can't shop for food etc ... is what is pretty ridiculous.

They can't all do all the things you're talking about, it's plainly unrealistic.

They need more freedom to get out of poverty, not less.

 

[Groogrux]

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Oh, the flogging will continue until morale improves ?

If you want to empower poor people provide them with education, jobs and birth control. But sure, the option to chose fresh kale over frozen peas will surely propel them right put of poverty!

 

[HenryChinaski]

Those are my choices, with a limited budget. others would choose differently.
My point is, and always has been, that people of food assistance, could stretch the
available dollars further, if they were educated in meal planning.

Aren't inmates fed on 75 cents to a dollar a day these days? Maybe SNAP could somehow use that as a budgetary model?

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

Aren't inmates fed on 75 cents to a dollar a day these days? Maybe SNAP could somehow use that as a budgetary model?

yes, because innocent kids deserve the same treatment as a murderer.

dumb.

 

[ludin]

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How about we give them seeds instead ??

After all, if they can cook their own meals, they can grow their own food !!

appeal to nonsense. however yes when I was growing up my dad regularly had a garden. with fresh vegetables. it was something he enjoyed doing,
however most people don't live in an area that can do that. now how about you actually attempt to make a real argument?

Okay, so they'll need land, they'll need equipment, they'll need education, they'll need a kitchen, they'll need irrigation, they'll need soil, they'll need fertilizer, they'll need eating utensils, they'll need to devote most of the day to just keeping themselves alive- oh, it'll cost far more, but let's do it to save money.

Lol...

nothing to do with what is said just pure nonsense, but what I expect.

 

[ludin]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

They can't all do all the things you're talking about, it's plainly unrealistic.

They need more freedom to get out of poverty, not less.

people do it every day so they can to. that is why at the 1st of every month we stay away from walmart etc because it is slammed with
people not being able to shop or do anything.

yep and education is the only way to get someone out of poverty.
that and job skills to do something other than say "can I take your order".

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

people do it every day so they can to. that is why at the 1st of every month we stay away from walmart etc because it is slammed with
people not being able to shop or do anything.

yep and education is the only way to get someone out of poverty.
that and job skills to do something other than say "can I take your order".

i'll bet there are waiters who make more money than you do

 

[HenryChinaski]

yes, because innocent kids deserve the same treatment as a murderer.

dumb.

Hard to convey sarcasm on the internet, though some here will say "Hey not a bad idea!"