Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

[Militant_Vegan_]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

why is that kid going to be fed better thru a food pantry than via meals served at his school

he said family, not kid

 

[Absentglare]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

he said family, not kid

Are you even vaguely familiar with what we've been talking about ?

 

[justabubba]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

he said family, not kid

the thread is about the food program for kids
the one the republican congressman opposes

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

why is that kid going to be fed better thru a food pantry than via meals served at his school

Food pantries can provide healthier food for way less money. Prepared school lunches rely on crap that the government subsidizes and creates a ton of waste.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

There are some people that are in this situation because they met some unfortunate circumstances through no fault of their own. However, there is a large population of folks that have put themselves in poverty. I'm not ok with handing them money to continue to make bad choices.

Who? Document for us this "large population" you want to deny nutritional supplement to.

Kids need to be fed. Food pantries are much more efficient at feeding hungry families than food stamps.

Again, no proof, no references to studies showing lower overhead per dollar of food distributed, no proof of efficiency, fairness or scalability in distribution of food.

Want more choices in what you eat? Pay for your food yourself.

Thats right, you blasted kids, I don't care if you are starving, GTF off my lawn.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Food pantries can provide healthier food for way less money. Prepared school lunches rely on crap that the government subsidizes and creates a ton of waste.

food pantries get whatever surplus food is made available to them
it is usually dry goods and stale bread
this is anything but healthier food

in contrast, school meals - thanks to Michelle Obama - are nutritious plate ready to eat

as for wasteful government food subsidies, uncle sam pays farmers about $20 Billion annually not to grow food

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Food pantries can provide healthier food for way less money. Prepared school lunches rely on crap that the government subsidizes and creates a ton of waste.

Food banks generally don't PREPARE foods, so the idea that they can replace on-site school lunch programs is really shortsighted. Are the kids expected to drive to the conveniently located food bank and pick up the not prepared lunch, or are the food banks dropping off the unprepared lunch supplies to the schools in their vast array of non-existent delivery vehicles.

Not thinking through and leaving out critical details in your responses seems to be a reoccurring theme.

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Not thinking through and leaving out critical details in your responses seems to be a reoccurring theme.

No, I assumed you were a reasonably intelligent adult, apparently not. I guess I have to spell everything out for you like you're a second grader. Why do kids need PREPARED food? Are we going to hold parents responsible for ANYTHING? We can't expect them to prepare the food we're giving them for FREE? Talk about creating a parasite nation.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

No, I assumed you were a reasonably intelligent adult, apparently not. I guess I have to spell everything out for you like you're a second grader. Why do kids need PREPARED food? Are we going to hold parents responsible for ANYTHING? We can't expect them to prepare the food we're giving them for FREE? Talk about creating a parasite nation.

This is the consistency of yer argument on full display, you just argued you won't pay for the food through SNAP for some portion of the population (that you can't specify), one has to assume you would not pay for that food via contribution to a food bank for this same segment, those "who put themselves in poverty (?)"....so remind me.....what food are you "giving away", you removed yourself from the "we", you removed the "them" from receiving food...along with their children.

Beyond this absurdity, you still cannot explain the magic of the remaining selected poor you will provide for being able to access the mythical numerous food banks....or do you think that suddenly when folks have been relived of the heavy burden of providing 2.6% of budget spending are going to suddenly cause the creation of a voluntary food distribution system?

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

This is the consistency of yer argument on full display, you just argued you won't pay for the food through SNAP for some portion of the population (that you can't specify), one has to assume you would not pay for that food via contribution to a food bank for this same segment, those "who put themselves in poverty (?)"....so remind me.....what food are you "giving away", you removed yourself from the "we", you removed the "them" from receiving food...along with their children.

Beyond this absurdity, you still cannot explain the magic of the remaining selected poor you will provide for being able to access the mythical numerous food banks....or do you think that suddenly when folks have been relived of the heavy burden of providing 2.6% of budget spending are going to suddenly cause the creation of a voluntary food distribution system?

Who said anything about not contributing to help feed hungry kids? Monies used for SNAP and free school lunches in the summer would go a lot farther if we funded food pantries instead. The food would be healthier and there would be a lot less waste. I'm very familiar with the inner workings of food pantries. Families are given enough food based on need and the number of people in the household. There is no reason parents should not be expected to prepare their own food for their children.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Who said anything about not contributing to help feed hungry kids? Monies used for SNAP and free school lunches in the summer would go a lot farther if we funded food pantries instead. The food would be healthier and there would be a lot less waste. I'm very familiar with the inner workings of food pantries. Families are given enough food based on need and the number of people in the household. There is no reason parents should not be expected to prepare their own food for their children.

*emphasis added by bubba*
what you would want and reality are two very different animals for the poor, hungry kids who have irresponsible parents
that they were conceived in the wrong womb is not the hungry kids' fault

why would we expect a irresponsible parent who does not provide for their food needs to then become a responsible parent who is going to cook their children proper meals from the basket of goodies available from the food bank

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

*emphasis added by bubba*
what you would want and reality are two very different animals for the poor, hungry kids who have irresponsible parents
that they were conceived in the wrong womb is not the hungry kids' fault

why would we expect a irresponsible parent who does not provide for their food needs to then become a responsible parent who is going to cook their children proper meals from the basket of goodies available from the food bank

Not all parents are completely irresponsible in such a way. If they are the, CPS needs to be notified and the chimd(ren) need to be removed from the home.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

*emphasis added by bubba*
what you would want and reality are two very different animals for the poor, hungry kids who have irresponsible parents
that they were conceived in the wrong womb is not the hungry kids' fault

why would we expect a irresponsible parent who does not provide for their food needs to then become a responsible parent who is going to cook their children proper meals from the basket of goodies available from the food bank

Well gosh, maybe we should have you advise them on "responsible parenting."

That'd solve the problem right quick.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Who said anything about not contributing to help feed hungry kids?

You did:

there is a large population of folks that have put themselves in poverty. I'm not ok with handing them money to continue to make bad choices.


Do you think you can directly fund the children of these folks exclusively?

Monies used for SNAP and free school lunches in the summer would go a lot farther if we funded food pantries instead. The food would be healthier and there would be a lot less waste. I'm very familiar with the inner workings of food pantries. Families are given enough food based on need and the number of people in the household. There is no reason parents should not be expected to prepare their own food for their children.

Here is a protip: personal anecdotes are not proof of concept. You refuse to show your math, the ability to scale up to fill current or future needs, the needed funding sources, validation of the idea that us citizens will contribute during depressions to a greater extent while they themselves are seeing less income....on and on.

There are rational reasons why we have govt run social safety nets, it is not some made-up pasted together at the last minute organization, it has a history and these debates have been made before. What you get with reliance on religious based providers is underfunded systems with higher overhead, less equal and much spottier distribution of food. There has been no private charity created that compares to SNAP utilizing private food distribution. Your system limits choice and access without showing in any manner a reliable source of funding.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Not all parents are completely irresponsible in such a way. If they are the, CPS needs to be notified and the chimd(ren) need to be removed from the home.

Oh I see now, the folks who you want removed from SNAP and private charity......should have their children removed!

I'm still waiting for the math on the size of this demographic.

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

You did:

there is a large population of folks that have put themselves in poverty. I'm not ok with handing them money to continue to make bad choices.


Do you think you can directly fund the children of these folks exclusively?

Here is a protip: personal anecdotes are not proof of concept. You refuse to show your math, the ability to scale up to fill current or future needs, the needed funding sources, validation of the idea that us citizens will contribute during depressions to a greater extent while they themselves are seeing less income....on and on.

There are rational reasons why we have govt run social safety nets, it is not some made-up pasted together at the last minute organization, it has a history and these debates have been made before. What you get with reliance on religious based providers is underfunded systems with higher overhead, less equal and much spottier distribution of food. There has been no private charity created that compares to SNAP utilizing private food distribution. Your system limits choice and access without showing in any manner a reliable source of funding.

If SNAP is such an efficiently run safety net program, why do we need to provide free school lunch over the summer?

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Oh I see now, the folks who you want removed from SNAP and private charity......should have their children removed!

I'm still waiting for the math on the size of this demographic.

You are seriously warped individual if you think parents who have access to food and still refuse to feed their children shouldn't have their children removed from their care. You're clearly off your rails. Bye.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

If SNAP is such an efficiently run safety net program, why do we need to provide free school lunch over the summer?

Protip: Efficiency deals with limiting waste, not covering every single aspect. School lunch is not exclusive to SNAP users. Apple, meet orange.

Yer just not going to answer how charity can in any realistic way provide the same level of food distribution....are yer?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

You are seriously warped individual if you think parents who have access to food and still refuse to feed their children shouldn't have their children removed from their care. You're clearly off your rails. Bye.

Good grief, I never made any sort of argument defending parents who don't feed there kids, you have been advocating for a segment of those in poverty to be removed from SNAP and charity foods....which includes the kids.

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Protip: Efficiency deals with limiting waste, not covering every single aspect. School lunch is not exclusive to SNAP users. Apple, meet orange.

Yer just not going to answer how charity can in any realistic way provide the same level of food distribution....are yer?

I'm not referring to charity which relies on individual donations. Food pantries can easily be funded by the government. Instead we subsidize nasty school lunches that produces a ton of waste. Families are given food, it is then their responsibility to prepare and eat said food.

 

[justabubba]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Not all parents are completely irresponsible in such a way. If they are the, CPS needs to be notified and the chimd(ren) need to be removed from the home.

i don't disagree with you
but your observation does nothing to solve the underlying problem: feeding the millions of poor, hungry kids during the summer

beyond that something needs to change in our nation relative to piss poor parenting
if kids are going hungry despite the parents' best efforts to care for them, that is no issue

but we are turning a blind eye to the millions of parents who don't give a damn. yet we still turn over the benefit check to them to care for the kids. that needs to change. yesterday, preferably

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Good grief, I never made any sort of argument defending parents who don't feed there kids, you have been advocating for a segment of those in poverty to be removed from SNAP and charity foods....which includes the kids.

Give. Parents. Food. Parents. Feed. Kids.

 

[Groogrux]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

i don't disagree with you
but your observation does nothing to solve the underlying problem: feeding the millions of poor, hungry kids during the summer

beyond that something needs to change in our nation relative to piss poor parenting
if kids are going hungry despite the parents' best efforts to care for them, that is no issue

but we are turning a blind eye to the millions of parents who don't give a damn. yet we still turn over the benefit check to them to care for the kids. that needs to change. yesterday, preferably

Agree on all accounts. Government funded food pantries can be open in the summer. If parents are given food and they don't feed their kids, then they need to lose said kids.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

I'm not referring to charity which relies on individual donations. Food pantries can easily be funded by the government.

We do, but instead of calling them "pantries", we call them "grocery stores", they are nearly ubiquitous and carry the same plus even more as yer food banks.

Instead we subsidize nasty school lunches that produces a ton of waste.

Yer whining about a mainly state/local issue, which is a whole different matter.

Families are given food, it is then their responsibility to prepare and eat said food.

Uh-huh.....that is how it works with SNAP too....yer not making a point....plus I already established that SNAP users are better shoppers.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Richest Nation On Earth Can’t Afford Tiny Program To Feed Poor Kids... [W:288]

Give. Parents. Food. Parents. Feed. Kids.

And a complete avoidance still of yer previous demands to remove a portion of those in poverty from private/public food redistribution.