Trump wants to overhaul refugee system to favor whites, immigrant-haters, and English speakers.

[Mr Person]

Evil MAGAs are going to love this, because it's the exact thing they always so loudly denied they wanted.

The Trump administration is considering a radical overhaul of the U.S. refugee system that would slash the program to its bare bones while giving preference to English speakers, white South Africans and Europeans who oppose migration, according to documents obtained by The New York Times. The proposals, some of which already have gone into effect, would transform a decades-old program aimed at helping the world’s most desperate people into one that conforms to Mr. Trump’s vision of immigration — which is to help mostly white people who say they are being persecuted while keeping the vast majority of other people out. ​

The plans were presented to the White House in April and July by officials in the State and Homeland Security Departments after President Trump directed federal agencies to study whether refugee resettlement was in the interest of the United States. Mr. Trump had suspended refugee admissions on his first day in office and solicited the proposals about how and whether the administration should continue the program.​

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[Cont}​

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee System That Would Favor White People

The proposals would transform a program aimed at helping the most vulnerable people in the world into one that gives preference to mostly white people who say they are being persecuted.

www.nytimes.com

Examples of groups intended to be favored:
- prioritize Europeans who have been “targeted for peaceful expression of views online such as opposition to mass migration or support for ‘populist’ political parties.” (Alternative for Germany party, which trivializes the Holocaust, revived some Nazi slogans, and castigated foreigners (read: brown people)).
- Europeans (read: white)
- Priority status for white Afrikaners (whites who ran South Africa's brutal apartheid).

Documents being reviewed also call for:
- cancellation of hundreds of thousands of applications of people who have already gone through extensive security checks and referrals.
- limiting number of immigrants allowed in immigrant communities to avoid "concentration of non-native citizens" aka "great replacement" KKK crap
- slashing number of refugees to 7,500/year



I repeat: this is, of course, why MAGAs have always put on such a show of being horrified at accusations of racism and claimed that black people and those who help them are the real racists. Nope, racism is one of the many evils of MAGA and its cultists.

 

[Phys251]

Evil MAGAs are going to love this, because it's the exact thing they always so loudly denied they wanted.

The Trump administration is considering a radical overhaul of the U.S. refugee system that would slash the program to its bare bones while giving preference to English speakers, white South Africans and Europeans who oppose migration, according to documents obtained by The New York Times. The proposals, some of which already have gone into effect, would transform a decades-old program aimed at helping the world’s most desperate people into one that conforms to Mr. Trump’s vision of immigration — which is to help mostly white people who say they are being persecuted while keeping the vast majority of other people out. ​

The plans were presented to the White House in April and July by officials in the State and Homeland Security Departments after President Trump directed federal agencies to study whether refugee resettlement was in the interest of the United States. Mr. Trump had suspended refugee admissions on his first day in office and solicited the proposals about how and whether the administration should continue the program.​

​

[Cont}​

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee System That Would Favor White People

The proposals would transform a program aimed at helping the most vulnerable people in the world into one that gives preference to mostly white people who say they are being persecuted.

www.nytimes.com

Examples of groups intended to be favored:
- prioritize Europeans who have been “targeted for peaceful expression of views online such as opposition to mass migration or support for ‘populist’ political parties.” (Alternative for Germany party, which trivializes the Holocaust, revived some Nazi slogans, and castigated foreigners (read: brown people)).
- Europeans (read: white)
- Priority status for white Afrikaners (whites who ran South Africa's brutal apartheid).

Documents being reviewed also call for:
- cancellation of hundreds of thousands of applications of people who have already gone through extensive security checks and referrals.
- limiting number of immigrants allowed in immigrant communities to avoid "concentration of non-native citizens" aka "great replacement" KKK crap
- slashing number of refugees to 7,500/year



I repeat: this is, of course, why MAGAs have always put on such a show of being horrified at accusations of racism and claimed that black people and those who help them are the real racists. Nope, racism is one of the many evils of MAGA and its cultists.

When we said that MAGAs' immigration beliefs were racist, we weren't kidding.

 

[Gozaburo]

Examples of groups intended to be favored:
- prioritize Europeans who have been “targeted for peaceful expression of views online such as opposition to mass migration or support for ‘populist’ political parties.” (Alternative for Germany party, which trivializes the Holocaust, revived some Nazi slogans, and castigated foreigners (read: brown people)).
- Europeans (read: white)
- Priority status for white Afrikaners (whites who ran South Africa's brutal apartheid).

Documents being reviewed also call for:
- cancellation of hundreds of thousands of applications of people who have already gone through extensive security checks and referrals.
- limiting number of immigrants allowed in immigrant communities to avoid "concentration of non-native citizens" aka "great replacement" KKK crap
- slashing number of refugees to 7,500/year

The main issue I'd have is selecting for "populist political views" which is something we most definitely do not need. If we brought in millions of white European people who govern and expect a quality of life similar to Vermont, I think that's kickass and I don't think there's really any counter argument to that being objectively a good thing.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I've never understood why there's a negative stigma attached to favoring European immigration. They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

 

[Allan]

They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

In other words Trump's preferred group - Norwegians.

The issue of course is that people from countries like Norway enjoy a much higher standard of living than they'd find in the US.

They're not interested.

HDI Index
2. Norway
17. USA

 

[CaughtInThe]

Nah, it's only the Young Republicans in Private Chats that are racist as hell.

 

[The Mark]

The main issue I'd have is selecting for "populist political views" which is something we most definitely do not need. If we brought in millions of white European people who govern and expect a quality of life similar to Vermont, I think that's kickass and I don't think there's really any counter argument to that being objectively a good thing.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I've never understood why there's a negative stigma attached to favoring European immigration. They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

The negative stigma isn't so much attached to the favoring part, but rather the DISfavoring part which inherently comes along with the favoring.

 

[Deuce]

The main issue I'd have is selecting for "populist political views" which is something we most definitely do not need. If we brought in millions of white European people who govern and expect a quality of life similar to Vermont, I think that's kickass and I don't think there's really any counter argument to that being objectively a good thing.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I've never understood why there's a negative stigma attached to favoring European immigration. They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

Tell us more why we should disfavor brown people

 

[Questerr]

Tell us more why we should disfavor brown people

"Culture", the preferred dog whistle of the modern White Supremacist.

 

[Gozaburo]

In other words Trump's preferred group - Norwegians.

The issue of course is that people from countries like Norway enjoy a much higher standard of living than they'd find in the US.

They're not interested.

HDI Index
2. Norway
17. USA

The USA is a massive country. Comparing HDI between the two isn't strictly informative. You'd have to compare standard of living among the same social strata, in which case you'd find the US is very competitive.

The negative stigma isn't so much attached to the favoring part, but rather the DISfavoring part which inherently comes along with the favoring.

Does this apply in the opposite direction as well then? Careful, you're treading dangerously close to vindicating goofy "great replacement" narratives.

Tell us more why we should disfavor brown people

I don't "favor" or "disfavor" brown people. I favor selecting for labor and social attitudes we need and there is an abundance of that in Europe, meaning we should consider immigration from Europe as a very positive thing. Can you help me understand why highly skilled, liberal, and largely English speaking people from stable countries shouldn't be an obvious priority for us? What alternative do you suggest?

 

[Allan]

The USA is a massive country. Comparing HDI between the two isn't strictly informative. You'd have to compare standard of living among the same social strata, in which case you'd find the US is very competitive.

Competitive to Norway?

No.

 

[Mr Person]

The main issue I'd have is selecting for "populist political views" which is something we most definitely do not need. If we brought in millions of white European people who govern and expect a quality of life similar to Vermont, I think that's kickass and I don't think there's really any counter argument to that being objectively a good thing.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I've never understood why there's a negative stigma attached to favoring European immigration. They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

Look at the big picture. Who he's deporting, how, why, and now how he wants to limit imports.

Then consider what refugee status and asylum is all about.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Evil MAGAs are going to love this, because it's the exact thing they always so loudly denied they wanted.

The Trump administration is considering a radical overhaul of the U.S. refugee system that would slash the program to its bare bones while giving preference to English speakers, white South Africans and Europeans who oppose migration, according to documents obtained by The New York Times. The proposals, some of which already have gone into effect, would transform a decades-old program aimed at helping the world’s most desperate people into one that conforms to Mr. Trump’s vision of immigration — which is to help mostly white people who say they are being persecuted while keeping the vast majority of other people out. ​

The plans were presented to the White House in April and July by officials in the State and Homeland Security Departments after President Trump directed federal agencies to study whether refugee resettlement was in the interest of the United States. Mr. Trump had suspended refugee admissions on his first day in office and solicited the proposals about how and whether the administration should continue the program.​

​

[Cont}​

Trump Considers Overhaul of Refugee System That Would Favor White People

The proposals would transform a program aimed at helping the most vulnerable people in the world into one that gives preference to mostly white people who say they are being persecuted.

www.nytimes.com

Examples of groups intended to be favored:
- prioritize Europeans who have been “targeted for peaceful expression of views online such as opposition to mass migration or support for ‘populist’ political parties.” (Alternative for Germany party, which trivializes the Holocaust, revived some Nazi slogans, and castigated foreigners (read: brown people)).
- Europeans (read: white)
- Priority status for white Afrikaners (whites who ran South Africa's brutal apartheid).

Documents being reviewed also call for:
- cancellation of hundreds of thousands of applications of people who have already gone through extensive security checks and referrals.
- limiting number of immigrants allowed in immigrant communities to avoid "concentration of non-native citizens" aka "great replacement" KKK crap
- slashing number of refugees to 7,500/year



I repeat: this is, of course, why MAGAs have always put on such a show of being horrified at accusations of racism and claimed that black people and those who help them are the real racists. Nope, racism is one of the many evils of MAGA and its cultists.

Ah, so we've reached the implementation point of his original comment about us admitting just immigrants from Norway?


Now from a European perspective there's a win to be had here in that this could be a viable way for some of these nations to get rid of their racist nutters and those tangentially aligned with the sentiment. This would make Europe more attractive for those who don't hold racist nutter views and we can swap populations. I can't say I'd mind setting up shop in London, Madrid, Paris etc. and know the right wing nutters are having fun across the pond building bunkers and stocking up for the end times. The downside is then the US will be a nuclear armed right wing nutter nation, and that might not be so great.

Not to be a stick in the mud to Trump's plan, but the thing is much of the mass migration to the US was often driven by some type of major political or economic event which drove the poor to migrate since they were often the most impacted. Looking back at how nativists in the US thought of European migration, they thought Europeans were coming from "s****hole" countries too and also thought they would soil the blood of our country, as well as bring in bad ideas.

 

[BabaVoss]

Mad King Donald and his ilk are the polar opposite of what made this country great.
The US became great BECAUSE we were a melting pot.
The US became great BECAUSE we welcomed people from all over the world.
The US became great BECAUSE we were designed so that all people would be treated equally.
We are becoming much less due to hatred and bigotry.
.

 

[Gozaburo]

Competitive to Norway?

No.

I mean comparing microstates to the United States in general is pretty dumb, but an upper middle class worker in the American Midwest is far more materially wealthy than his contemporary in Norway, though I'd concede the guy in Norway somewhat makes up for that lack of material wealth in access to services. That said, the US citizen also enjoys things the Norway citizen doesn't, like living in the most powerful country on earth and having his sovereignty basically guaranteed.

 

[Allan]

I mean comparing microstates to the United States in general is pretty dumb, but an upper middle class worker in the American Midwest is far more materially wealthy than his contemporary in Norway, though I'd concede the guy in Norway somewhat makes up for that lack of material wealth in access to services. That said, the US citizen also enjoys things the Norway citizen doesn't, like living in the most powerful country on earth and having his sovereignty basically guaranteed.

You have no idea how poorly regarded the US is in other highly developed countries.

Unbelievable hubris.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The main issue I'd have is selecting for "populist political views" which is something we most definitely do not need. If we brought in millions of white European people who govern and expect a quality of life similar to Vermont, I think that's kickass and I don't think there's really any counter argument to that being objectively a good thing.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I've never understood why there's a negative stigma attached to favoring European immigration. They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

"I like white people!"

well played, i never saw that one coming...

 

[Gozaburo]

Look at the big picture. Who he's deporting, how, why, and now how he wants to limit imports.

Then consider what refugee status and asylum is all about.

I'm just saying in general. There are people in this thread acting like prioritizing immigrants from Europe is ontologically evil or some bullshit. Europeans are overwhelmingly liberal, support smart progressive economics, speak English, are culturally aligned, come from stable countries, and essentially come pre-assimilated given the influence of the American empire in Europe.

Maybe this is lost on some of my liberal friends, but isn't it pretty obvious at this point that Trump is in-part a consequence of changing demographics which are beginning to counterbalance American politics toward populism and reactionary conservatism. It turns out that all of those Hispanics are actually traditionalist devout Catholics and they don't give a **** about liberal assumptions about the arc of history.

 

[Questerr]

I mean comparing microstates to the United States in general is pretty dumb, but an upper middle class worker in the American Midwest is far more materially wealthy than his contemporary in Norway, though I'd concede the guy in Norway somewhat makes up for that lack of material wealth in access to services. That said, the US citizen also enjoys things the Norway citizen doesn't, like living in the most powerful country on earth and having his sovereignty basically guaranteed.

"Have you considered the fact that American middle class workers have Amazon Alexa and most Norweigians don't" is as stupid as "have you considered the face that Andrew Carnegie didn't have a microwave?"

 

[Gozaburo]

You have no idea how poorly regarded the US is in other highly developed countries.

Unbelievable hubris.

... have you been to Europe? Serious question.

I've been to one major city in East Asia and that was Singapore. I'll grant that Singapore was a mind****. That place was like paradise on planet earth, futuristic, clean, stunning. Genuinely a life altering experience to see what's possible with competent governance.

Conversely, when I've been to Europe I've seen a standard of living which is comparable or (usually) worse to the United States, particularly in the countryside.

 

[Gozaburo]

"Have you considered the fact that American middle class workers have Amazon Alexa and most Norweigians don't" is as stupid as "have you considered the face that Andrew Carnegie didn't have a microwave?"

Okay. But did you know that citizens in Qatar get UBI and basically have their entire lives subsidized with oil money? We should govern ourselves like Qatar!!!! What are we doing!!!

 

[Questerr]

... have you been to Europe? Serious question.

I've been to one city in East Asia and that was Singapore. I'll grant that Singapore was a mind****. That place was like paradise on planet earth, futuristic, clean, stunning. Genuinely a life altering experience to see what's possible with competent governance.

Conversely, when I've been to Europe I've seen a standard of living which is comparable or (usually) worse to the United States, particularly in the countryside.

An authoritarian one-party state where you can be physically beaten for spitting on the sidewalk.

 

[Gozaburo]

An authoritarian one-party state where you can be physically beaten for spitting on the sidewalk.

Based.

 

[Felis Leo]

The main issue I'd have is selecting for "populist political views" which is something we most definitely do not need. If we brought in millions of white European people who govern and expect a quality of life similar to Vermont, I think that's kickass and I don't think there's really any counter argument to that being objectively a good thing.

Maybe someone can explain this to me, but I've never understood why there's a negative stigma attached to favoring European immigration. They're overwhelmingly liberal, support progressive economics, come from stable countries, and have similar religious and cultural experiences. These seem like ideal immigrants!

There is no massive group of wealthy, urbane, intelligent, genuinely liberal white Europeans who want to immigrate to the United States. The great Scandinavian migration is not coming.

 

[Questerr]

Okay. But did you know that citizens in Qatar get UBI and basically have their entire lives subsidized with oil money? We should govern ourselves like Qatar!!!! What are we doing!!!

Qatar? The country built on modern day slave labor?

America has FAR more mineral wealth than any other country on the planet. We too could have UBI and universal healthcare and a strong welfare state. We choose instead to give sociopaths and psychopaths private space programs and yachts the size of aircraft carriers.

 

[Gozaburo]

There is no massive group of wealthy, urbane, intelligent genuinely liberal white Europeans who want to immigrate to the United States. The great Scandinavian migration is not coming.

Unfortunately you're correct. But hypothetically if that were a possible reality, it would be an awesome reality.

Many folks in this thread seem opposed to it in principle, which is very weird.