RFK Jr., HHS to Link Autism to Tylenol Use in Pregnancy and Folate Deficiencies

[JohnfrmClevelan]

I agree. Vaccines work at some level and likely saved millions of lives during the pandemic. My points are that Covid evolved and weakened, and the Covid vaccines are now hit and miss much like the flu vaccines. It's not a criticism of vaccines, it's just reality. It's very difficult to keep up with the variants. And again, there is that it's no longer a pandemic and we do not need to be as militant about pushing vaccines. Just recommend them and let everyone make their own choice.

Its people like you that are making it a political football. You are so anti-MAGA that you will go against anything that RFK and Trump push out of hand. For instance, most of you do not want to even consider the possibility that pregnant women taking Tylenol in the later stages of pregnancy are at risk of their child being born with autism just because RFK suggested it.

What??? RFK fired the entire vaccine advisory board and replaced them with antivaxxers. You don't have to be anti-MAGA to hate that move, and the direction he's dragging us in. You should hate it, too.

I already weighed in on the Tylenol thing. If he had just treated it as a pet project and swung some peer-reviewed funding that way, fine, he's the boss. But he gutted NIH and completely perverted the peer-review grant funding process. Now, even if they find something, it won't be trustworthy.

RFK is a nut, and he was a nut before he teamed up with trump.

This video predates RFK joining the trump administration:

 

[uptower]

 

[MAGAnificent]

What??? RFK fired the entire vaccine advisory board and replaced them with antivaxxers. You don't have to be anti-MAGA to hate that move, and the direction he's dragging us in. You should hate it, too.

I already weighed in on the Tylenol thing. If he had just treated it as a pet project and swung some peer-reviewed funding that way, fine, he's the boss. But he gutted NIH and completely perverted the peer-review grant funding process. Now, even if they find something, it won't be trustworthy.

RFK is a nut, and he was a nut before he teamed up with trump.

This video predates RFK joining the trump administration:

Far too much TDS in that rant to take you seriously on any of it.

 

[Roadvirus]

Far too much TDS in that rant to take you seriously on any of it.

Translation: "The truth hurt, so i'll just say 'TDS!' and leave the discussion thinking i won it"

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Far too much TDS in that rant to take you seriously on any of it.

What is there to not take seriously?

*RFK did fire the entire vaccine advisory board, did he not?
*RFK did replace them with people "sympathetic" to his own antivax stance.
*RFK did gut NIH.
*RFK did pervert the peer-review grant funding process (I described this in an earlier post)
*Non-peer-reviewed science is not accepted by most scientists
*RFK was definitely a nut before he became a nutty trumpist

You have said that you are a believer in vaccines. What did you think about RFK dismantling the vaccine advisory panel? Good move? We are better off as a nation for it?

 

[MAGAnificent]

You have said that you are a believer in vaccines. What did you think about RFK dismantling the vaccine advisory panel? Good move?

Why is that a problem? Do you think everyone on such a panel is entitled to a lifetime appointment?

We are better off as a nation for it?

It's an advisory panel and RFK made it clear, he is not denying anyone vaccines. Relax. The pandemic ended in 2022. I'll continue to take the shots; however, it's no longer a matter of life and death.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Why is that a problem? Do you think everyone on such a panel is entitled to a lifetime appointment?

I think you are being intentionally obtuse here.

Had he replaced some members of the vaccine advisory panel with other experts who believed in vaccines, that would have been fine.

It's an advisory panel and RFK made it clear, he is not denying anyone vaccines. Relax. The pandemic ended in 2022. I'll continue to take the shots; however, it's no longer a matter of life and death.

First of all, it is a common trumpian tactic to say one thing and deliver the opposite.

Second, this isn't just about the COVID vaccine. RFK is trying to change the whole direction of vaccinations in the U.S., and not in a positive way. The doctors do not agree with him, at all.

I'm not going to "relax" while trump and his toadies dismantle the government. That's just dumb.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I went to law school after a science major, ten years in research labs, and a year of graduate school. How about you?



Is the Mayo Clinic enough of an authority for you? Or do I need to go on YouTube and find a podcaster you trust?

COVID-19 vaccines for kids: What you need to know

Learn about the safety and effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines for kids, the possible side effects, and the benefits of vaccination.

www.mayoclinic.org

Since you are supposedly an expert I would have thought you would know this about the data from your link. Grok:

Indirect measures of effectiveness for younger children: For ages 6 months–4 years (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), effectiveness was inferred from immune response comparisons to young adults receiving higher doses, rather than direct counts of prevented COVID-19 cases in children.

Early-stage trial analyses: Effectiveness estimates (e.g., 91% for ages 5–11 and 100% for 12–15 with Pfizer-BioNTech; 78% for Novavax in 12–17) are based on early data from one week after the second dose, not longer-term follow-up.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Since you are supposedly an expert I would have thought you would know this about the data from your link. Grok:

Indirect measures of effectiveness for younger children: For ages 6 months–4 years (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), effectiveness was inferred from immune response comparisons to young adults receiving higher doses, rather than direct counts of prevented COVID-19 cases in children.

Early-stage trial analyses: Effectiveness estimates (e.g., 91% for ages 5–11 and 100% for 12–15 with Pfizer-BioNTech; 78% for Novavax in 12–17) are based on early data from one week after the second dose, not longer-term follow-up.

Don't bother, Dude. Until YOU understand what you are saying here, there is no point in debating you.

I'll give you the same advice I gave to Clax - the time you spend arguing here about scientific matters and Googling stuff to stay afloat in those debates would be far better spent just taking legitimate online college courses in the sciences.

 

[NOLA Dude]

Don't bother, Dude. Until YOU understand what you are saying here, there is no point in debating you.

I'll give you the same advice I gave to Clax - the time you spend arguing here about scientific matters and Googling stuff to stay afloat in those debates would be far better spent just taking legitimate online college courses in the sciences.

I don't take advice from fake experts.

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

I don't take advice from fake experts.

No, stick with Grok. Don't bother educating yourself, it's a waste of time.

 

[Fledermaus]

I don't take advice from fake experts.

Yes. You do. And you spew the nonsense here.

 

[NOLA Dude]

No, stick with Grok. Don't bother educating yourself, it's a waste of time.

Maybe you can try to trick someone else and convince them you are an expert.

 

[jaeger19]

Duh!!! How about those who did not get the vaccines and never contracted Covid. Many of them exist. Martial law was never declared and there was no gestapo to go house to house and force everyone to get it.

There is probably very few people that weren’t vaccinated and never got Covid.
Many of this tgat aren’t vaccinated would never take a covid test to confirm their symptoms anyway.

 

[jaeger19]

Far too much TDS in that rant to take you seriously on any of it.

What TDS in that statement???
Come now.

 

[jaeger19]

I don't take advice from fake experts.

Oh yes you do. Stop taking advice from “ twitter x”.

 

[MAGAnificent]

There is probably very few people that weren’t vaccinated and never got Covid.

Projection.

Many of this tgat aren’t vaccinated would never take a covid test to confirm their symptoms anyway.

More projection. If they went to the doctor over any respiratory issue, they were likely tested.

 

[jaeger19]

Why is that a problem? Do you think everyone on such a panel is entitled to a lifetime appointment?

It's an advisory panel and RFK made it clear, he is not denying anyone vaccines. Relax. The pandemic ended in 2022. I'll continue to take the shotsem or they have; however, it's no longer a matter of life and death.

Kennedy has made it harder for my patients to get Covid vaccines as now their insurance doesn’t cover it or it now has a copay.
And because some states don’t allow pharmacists to give vaccines if there are not on the recommended list.

 

[BirdinHand]

Indirect measures of effectiveness for younger children: For ages 6 months–4 years (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), effectiveness was inferred from immune response comparisons to young adults receiving higher doses, rather than direct counts of prevented COVID-19 cases in children

How do you direct count this?

Care to inform the class?

Let’s see you spell out for us how you direct count the “prevented Covid 19 cases in children”

What methodology do you use?

 

[BirdinHand]

I don't take advice from fake experts.

You sure do post a lot of shit from Twitter though.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Kennedy has made it harder for my patients to get Covid vaccines as now their insurance doesn’t cover it or it now has a copay.

What's the price of the shot without insurance? In my locale, it's less than $30.00. I'm betting the vast majority of your patients spend more than that on recreation.

And because some states don’t allow pharmacists to give vaccines if there are not on the recommended list.

Pharmacies are the only place they can get vaccines????????

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

Projection.

More projection. If they went to the doctor over any respiratory issue, they were likely tested.

Look up the definition of "projection."

 

[JohnfrmClevelan]

What's the price of the shot without insurance? In my locale, it's less than $30.00. I'm betting the vast majority of your patients spend more than that on recreation.

Pharmacies are the only place they can get vaccines????????

C'mon. These are the answers of a guy who knows he has lost the debate.

 

[BirdinHand]

. If they went to the doctor over any respiratory issue, they were likely tested

Widespread access to Covid testing hasn’t been a thing since 2021.

Who is going to run off to their doctor for a respiratory virus that has no real treatment? Especially for a kid?

The only time I take my kid to the doctor for respiratory symptoms is when I suspect ACTUAL influenza - and want to get him Tamiflu. And that’s only when I suspect he actually HAS the flu - meaning I know people around have it, he was likely exposed and he’s popping a temp over 102. Then I’m going and getting him swabbed within a 48 hour window so I can get Tamiflu on board.

Otherwise it’s hit the couch with the tv remote and here’s some Tylenol and chicken soup.

I’m not waiting 3 days for a pediatrician appointment or paying the copay for an Urgent Care visit for a low fever and a cough.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Widespread access to Covid testing hasn’t been a thing since 2021.

Well, there are no longer roadside tent setups, but then we are no longer in a pandemic.

The only time I take my kid to the doctor for respiratory symptoms is when I suspect ACTUAL influenza - and want to get him Tamiflu. And that’s only when I suspect he actually HAS the flu - meaning I know people around have it, he was likely exposed and he’s popping a temp over 102. Then I’m going and getting him swabbed within a 48 hour window so I can get Tamiflu on board.

Point is if you want to get him tested you can.

I’m not waiting 3 days for a pediatrician appointment or paying the copay for an Urgent Care visit for a low fever and a cough.

I am old and retired. I can make an appointment at the VA, however if it's a respiratory virus, and I don't seem to be shaking it off with Tylenol and chicken soup, I go to Urgent care and they test for every common virus, including Covid.