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RFK Jr., HHS to Link Autism to Tylenol Use in Pregnancy and Folate Deficiencies

BrotherFease said:
But there is no actual proof. The Harvard study said it was inconclusive and still recommends the drug.
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Are you confused about 'further studies' in my post?
I don't believe that we have arrived at a level of knowledge which can exclude any possible factor or factors contributing to autism. I believe that it warrants further study, as I posted just prior to this post.

BrotherFease said:
Donnie Boy told women to toughen up. Why tell women that?
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Better get on the phone and ask him then.

BrotherFease said:
Should women not take birth control?
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Is this you hoisting an unrelated strawman argument?
I thought so.
 
eohrnberger said:
Not at all to my recollection.
My recollection is that the Dems, Libs and Progs were far too busy with their, and their DNC-MSM network propagandists hoisting one smear campaign after the other, along with twice impeachment on questionable merits.

So in other words, if you have such an instance in mind, it'd be refreshing to follow up and read about it.
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We were completely on board with COVID vaccine development. More so that the right, where most of the antivaxxers reside.

Strange that trump is now supporting RFK. trump himself got the COVID vaccine, for crissakes. Now it's bad?

eohrnberger said:
OK. Fair enough. How about revised to 'markedly and noticeably increased'?
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How about revised to recognition and diagnoses have markedly and noticeably increased?

eohrnberger said:
Anyway, my main objection is that some are wanting to shut down even the questioning, investigation and studying if there's a link between Tylenol and Autism.
I think they shouldn't, and that such questioning, investigation and studying should proceed unencumbered to find what the data reveals, and then consider or even re-consider those results.
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If you read my post above, you would know that there is only federal funding for about 5% of all grant applications - and that was before trump slashed funding. Tylenol has been on the market for decades, and it has been studied to death. Meanwhile, we have (or had) lots of great new science to fund - mRNA vaccines, pediatric cancer, cancers of all types, new diseases that pop up all the time, etc. Many of us will get cancer, and many more will know someone who gets cancer, and research has done a great job of finding treatment and cures that substantially extend lives. You really want to move funding from those topics to chase some stupid hunch of RFK's? Those topics are what is being "shut down."

Tylenol has been taken by many millions - probably billions - of people already. If you wanted, you could make a "connection" between taking Tylenol and any number of medical problems, just because so many people have both taken Tylenol and have some other condition or disease. And those are exactly the kinds of "studies" (no experiments, just gathering existing data and making correlations) that RFK leans on, usually after skimming the introduction and not reading the whole boring paper. Next, he's probably going to claim a link between Tylenol and arthritis.
 
eohrnberger said:
Is this you hoisting an unrelated strawman argument?
I thought so.
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How so? Taking birth control could lead to death, heart attacks, and strokes. Why not tell people to take birth control in emergency situations?

Further studies? Yes, research both biological and environmental factors into autism. I never suggested otherwise. I in fact clarified my statements to Josie on here. Unless you can come up with a better alternative, a pregnant woman experiencing fevers, headaches, and meaningful pains, should consider taking acetaminophen. Not relieving pain, only could cause major damage to the women and her offspring. You shouldn’t be taking advice from a man who has no medical training. Just my view.
 
eohrnberger said:
Are you confused about 'further studies' in my post?
I don't believe that we have arrived at a level of knowledge which can exclude any possible factor or factors contributing to autism. I believe that it warrants further study, as I posted just prior to this post.


Better get on the phone and ask him then.


Is this you hoisting an unrelated strawman argument?
I thought so.
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The individuals that are most profoundly impacted by autism and have “levels 2 or 3” diagnosis almost always have comorbidities.

Anxiety disorders, Intellectual disabilities, genetic disorders (fragile X, Rett Syndrome) and other disabilities such as cerebral palsy, Seizure disorders, GI related disorders, etc.

Autism - in and of itself - is not what causes the largest challenges. The comorbidities are.


You know what would help these families? Better HEALTHCARE access. Better therapies. More treatments. Less expensive medical care. More funding for research and treatment and access. Better support.

Too bad our current Administration is making healthcare access and research into treatments and causes for all the comorbities that come along with autism more difficult.

It’s almost as though they really aren’t trying to help anyone and are just throwing bullshit out there to placate the MAGA and MAHA followers by bringing up old studies that have shown no causation.

Because RFK Jr is a kook and a heroin addict and an anti-vax loon and there’s NO logic in how this administration is operating currrently.

None.
 
BirdinHand said:
It’s curing the headache before you even THINK about having a headache.

And also coding the ‘tism at the same time.

“No headache…AND this one will be able to name every dinosaur that ever existed by the time they’re 3”

TYLENOL has super powers.
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I am going to start taking Tylenol every shift.

Turbo autism will help me get through my day.
 
BirdinHand said:
Well, first I think the entire “topic” of autism is being approached from the wrong perspective.

Neurodivergence has existed as long as humanity has. Autism included.

We didn’t have a name for it and we didn’t diagnose it until our scientific and medical ability to even remotely understand it evolved to the point that allows us to do such.

Our understanding of the human brain is still in its relative infancy.

And as far as actually helping individuals in the autistic community, there’s nothing “helpful” being accomplished under this current administration.

Finger pointing. Rehashing old (debunked) myths. Stigmatization.

While at the same time, slashing funding for ACTUAL medical research, slashing access to healthcare - and therapy - for millions. Dismantling the Dept of Ed and firing employees leaving the files of autistic children languishing on desks and students not receiving services and therapies they need and are entitled to. For months without even being reviewed. On PURPOSE.

And that’s just the top of the list.


But hey…Tylenol. It’s easy to say and distracts the idiot MAHA and MAGAs from the actual HARM being perpetrated by this Administration.
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trump is ashamed that his son is on the spectrum and abhors the idea that his old-ass sperm could be the cause, so Tylenol it is.
 
BirdinHand said:
I do believe you’ve just created the newest Law and Order spinoff!

😂😂😂
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It will never be as cool as Big Gay Cowboys, but it will have to do.

Also, I watched Law & Order once. Margarita Hartigay (sp?) tearfully announcing that the victim was sodomized with a violin bow. Then a commercial for Cheetohs.

SODOMIZED WITH A VIOLIN BOW, but then people tell ME I say rotten shit.

This is why people join ISIS, you know. This exact shit.
 
JohnfrmClevelan said:
We were completely on board with COVID vaccine development. More so that the right, where most of the antivaxxers reside.

Strange that trump is now supporting RFK. trump himself got the COVID vaccine, for crissakes. Now it's bad?
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You must be confusing me with another poster as well as that issue.
I never said the COVID vaccine was bad, what I said was bad were the Biden's COVID mandates, which were ruled as illegal / unconstitutional in court.
I'm maintained that taking the COVID vaccine remain an individual's choice.

The severity of COVID outcomes relates directly back to the unhealthy state of the overall population.

ada.com

Obesity and COVID-19: Risks and Outcomes | Ada Health

Obesity can cause severe complications in patients with COVID-19. This guide by Ada’s medical team explains the risk.
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www.cdc.gov

Obesity, Race/Ethnicity, and COVID-19

Having obesity increases risk of severe illness from COVID-19.
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These complications and negative outcomes spike in those who were 65 and older at the time, not with children, teenagers, or healthy adults.

Given this, I further expressed that the retribution on those who who were healthy and who decided against taking the vaccine was unconscionable.

So, yeah, you are confused about a bunch of things.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
How about revised to recognition and diagnoses have markedly and noticeably increased?
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I have not denied that this wouldn't be a factor. More recognition and diagnosis would lead to more data to analyze, which might perhaps suggest a correlation.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
If you read my post above, you would know that there is only federal funding for about 5% of all grant applications - and that was before trump slashed funding. Tylenol has been on the market for decades, and it has been studied to death. Meanwhile, we have (or had) lots of great new science to fund - mRNA vaccines, pediatric cancer, cancers of all types, new diseases that pop up all the time, etc. Many of us will get cancer, and many more will know someone who gets cancer, and research has done a great job of finding treatment and cures that substantially extend lives. You really want to move funding from those topics to chase some stupid hunch of RFK's? Those topics are what is being "shut down."
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I'm reading a liberal's whining about how ANY reduction in government spending is bad.

JohnfrmClevelan said:
Tylenol has been taken by many millions - probably billions - of people already. If you wanted, you could make a "connection" between taking Tylenol and any number of medical problems, just because so many people have both taken Tylenol and have some other condition or disease. And those are exactly the kinds of "studies" (no experiments, just gathering existing data and making correlations) that RFK leans on, usually after skimming the introduction and not reading the whole boring paper. Next, he's probably going to claim a link between Tylenol and arthritis.
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This is your justifications that further studies which may find a correlation shouldn't be conducted?
How is more data and more analysis of that data a bad thing? Well, I mean other than an impediment to the political narratives you want to push?
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, seems likely.
To the TDS infected, if Trump made a public statement how its good to breathe the air, they'd all start holding their breath until blue and passing out.
They are just so ridiculous.

Now its Tylenol, and they are showing their ridiculousness by shutting down even asking the question. Especially when there have been studies done to take a closer look at a possible connection, as is cited in post #1,304.
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Wise people take anything Trump says with skepticism.

In the meantime, watch out for the Kool-Aid.
 
Fledermaus said:
Is one expected to vote for idiots if one is conservative?
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Your deflection from completely answering my question is noted. You told me who you voted for in 2016. Who did you vote for in 2020 and 2024? Was it Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024? If yes, you lose any claims of being a conservative, no matter what you think of Trump.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Your deflection from completely answering my question is noted. You told me who you voted for in 2016. Who did you vote for in 2020 and 2024? Was it Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024? If yes, you lose any claims of being a conservative, no matter what you think of Trump.
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What a stupid litmus test.

Do you really believe conservatives are required to vote for an idiot?
 
Fledermaus said:
What a stupid litmus test.

Do you really believe conservatives are required to vote for an idiot?
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You have already given me your opinion of Trump. Now, who did you vote for in 2020 and 2024? Based on your attempted deflections, I am going to assume that you voted for Biden and Harris. You took the blue pill simply over dislike of Trump.
 
MAGAnificent said:
You have already given me your opinion of Trump. Now, who did you vote for in 2020 and 2024? Based on your attempted deflections, I am going to assume that you voted for Biden and Harris. You took the blue pill simply over dislike of Trump.
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Do you really believe conservatives are required to vote for an idiot?

Yes or No?


Hello?

Hello?

Are you out there?
 
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Kelby said:
Wise people take anything Trump says with skepticism.
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I agree with this point of yours right there.

I'm sure you've noticed the many from the left who take Trump literally, if only to gin up yet another bullshit attack narrative.
So that's obviously not the skepticism you were apparently talking about.

Kelby said:
In the meantime, watch out for the Kool-Aid.
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No Kool-Aid here. I'm still pretty much at the same point I was before Trump ran, being that it is the political elites of both parties which have failed the nation and its people for a number of decades. It all just leaves me with shaking my head.

I still hold that position, but have come to express it far more clearly and concisely.
 
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