RFK Jr., HHS to Link Autism to Tylenol Use in Pregnancy and Folate Deficiencies

[Gordy327]

Your made up claim of 4 million that you refuse to provide a link for?

I cited the CDC. Go check their site. Google can help you.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Sacrifice? Such hyperbole. "Sacrificing" 4 million is better?

I never said 4 million was better

what if we could stop using the binders in combo vaccines and reduce Tylenol use and reduce the unnecessary vaccines and reverse the autism epidemic and child deaths from vaccines but still have good vaccinations for our citizens ?

but make a suggestion and the left loses their minds ....

 

[CaughtInThe]

People believe Trump/RFK Jr (mob boss/nutjob) over research/science/experts.

And then they get mad when we call them SHEEP.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Nothing like a 'what if' question to demonstrate a lack of any rational argument. There's no evidence vaccines cause autism. That's just more antivaccer ignorance and misinformation. Which is more worth it, autism or dying/suffering from viral diseases?

I agree, its not worth it, not in the capacity vaccines are today in 2025

Why can't we have vaccines and find out the root cause of autism and eliminate it both? its almost like you're arguing that vaccines ARE the cause ... but its worth it

 

[snakestretcher]

Trying to discredit the messenger rather than pointing out what they said thats inaccurate is classic big pharma tactics.

Also constantly using the big pharma created term antivaxxer to smear people who want safe vaccines is another indicator that they are a big pharma shill.

Their 'messages' are replete with easily debunked lies, misinformation and ignorance, as one of my links (which you clearly didn't bother to read), amply demonstrates. Try harder, your posts verge on comedy. The cites of yours would help if they actually contained information from credible clinicians, not unqualified conspiracy nuts with an axe to grind but no relevant medical skills.
Vaccines are safe; hundreds of thousands of clinical trial volunteers have proved it, time and again. Guess what eradicated the world's deadliest and most prolific disease, smallpox? Mass vaccination. Polio is close behind. We are also well on the way to dealing with cervical cancer with the HPV vaccine.
Try reading actual trial results from real, qualified clinicians, and not some conspiracy theorist crank you found on 'X'. Just for your information no drug is 100% safe; why else do you think every medication you buy or are prescribed contains a leaflet of caveats, possible side-effects and contraindications?
I come from a medical background, having dealt in my career with viral infections-specifically HPV, a known precursor to cervical cancer. I'm astounded by the deliberate ignorance displayed by those seeking to denigrate great advances in medicine, because they don't, or won't, understand basic science and simple English.

Breakthrough in next-generation polio vaccines | University of Leeds

www.leeds.ac.uk

HPV Vaccination

Learn about HPV vaccine basics, who should get it, when to get it, and why it's important.

www.cdc.gov

The Triumph of Science: The Incredible Story of Smallpox Eradication - NFID

As NFID celebrates its 50th anniversary with a look back at significant moments in public health history, few achievements can compare to the eradication of smallpox

www.nfid.org

 

[snakestretcher]

Its clear you have no legitimate argument.

Says the guy citing some medically unqualified and debunked conspiracy theorist he found on 'X'. Do better and this won't happen >

 

[BirdinHand]

reduce Tylenol use

Women get aches and pains and fevers, etc during pregnancy.

What would you suggest they do… just suck it up? Suffer?

You realize that stress, pain, fever, etc also impact fetal development, right?

 

[BirdinHand]

the root cause of autism and eliminate it both

Why do you want to “eliminate” autism?

Ever think that perhaps neurodivergent individuals don’t WANT to be “eliminated” and are perfectly content just the way they are and with their brains just the way they are?

 

[snakestretcher]

C

define safe ? I guess if its not your kids its "safe"

Deaths Reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, United States, 1997–2013 - PMC

Vaccines are among the safest medical products in use today. Hundreds of millions of vaccinations are administered in the United States each year. Serious adverse reactions are uncommon. However, temporally associated deaths can occur following ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

We searched VAERS for US reports of death after any vaccination from 1 July 1997 through 31 December 2013. Available medical records, autopsy reports, and death certificates were reviewed to identify cause of death.

Results.​

VAERS received 2149 death reports, most (n = 1469 [68.4%]) in children

Vaccine Side Effects and Adverse Events

A vaccine is a medical intervention, and as with any medical intervention, may have side effects. This article discusses side effects and adverse events related to vaccination.

historyofvaccines.org

Hib Vaccine Side Effects​

• Redness, warmth, or swelling where the shot was given (up to 1 out of 4 children)
• Fever over 101°F (up to 1 out of 20 children)

No serious side effects have been related to the Hib vaccine.

​

Smallpox (Vaccinia) Vaccine Side Effects​

Mild to Moderate Problems:

• Mild rash, lasting 2-4 days.
• Swelling and tenderness of lymph nodes, lasting 2-4 weeks after the blister has healed.
• Fever of over 100°F (about 70% of children, 17% of adults) or over 102°F (about 15%-20% of children, under 2% of adults).
• Secondary blister elsewhere on the body (about 1 per 1,900).

Moderate to Severe Problems:

• Serious eye infection, or loss of vision, due to spread of vaccine virus to the eye.
• Rash on entire body (as many as 1 per 4,000).
• Severe rash on people with eczema (as many as 1 per 26,000).
• Encephalitis (severe brain reaction), which can lead to permanent brain damage (as many as 1 per 83,000).
• Severe infection beginning at the vaccination site (as many as 1 per 667,000, mostly in people with weakened immune systems).
• Death (1-2 per million, mostly in people with weakened immune systems).

For every million people vaccinated for smallpox, between 14 and 52 could have a life-threatening reaction to the smallpox vaccine.

Incidence of adverse reactions to vaccines in a paediatric population - PubMed

An active search for subjects with suspected adverse reactions to vaccines led to the detection of reactions that are usually not reported. Primary-care physicians and nurses must be vigilant for information on adverse reactions to vaccines in paediatric populations.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results: Of a total sample of 946 children, ranging in age from 0 to 14 years (50.8% girls, 49.1% boys), 191 non-serious suspected adverse reactions were detected, representing 19% of the vaccinated children. Reactions to the diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis acellular and Haemophilus influenzae type b (DTPa + Hib) vaccine appeared in 43.4% of cases, followed by reactions to the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) [18.4%] and adult tetanus and diphtheria (Td) [17.8%] vaccines. The most frequent types of adverse reactions to vaccines were: injection-site oedema (12.2 per 1000 doses); pain at site of inoculation (10.3 per 1000 doses); temperature not recorded but believed by parents to be very high (4.6 per 1000 doses); and measured temperature indicating fever of 39-40.5 masculineC (4.4 per 1000 doses). Fifty-five percent (n = 21) of cases of injection-site oedema were attributed to DTPa + Hib vaccine (18.8 per 1000 doses), followed by 18.4% (n = 7) attributable to Td vaccine (112 per 1000 doses). Indeed, this latter vaccine was responsible for 43.8% (n = 14; 226 per 1000 doses) of all reported pain at the site of inoculation. MMR vaccine was linked to the occurrence of fever of 39-40.5 masculineC in 52% of cases (n = 10; 29 per 1000 doses). Two children were treated by the emergency services, but there were no deaths or hospitalisations.

Couple of things; 'pubmed' is a pay-to-publish resource where anything can be published for a fee. It does NOT stipulate that only peer-reviewed studies may be included, nor does it list peer-reviewed articles. Secondly, VAERS makes it clear on their website that no reported alleged adverse events are subject to verification. Anyone, you or I, can report anything we like and nobody at VAERS will check its veracity. Be careful what you believe to be true. Peer-review is the gold standard; 'pubmed', VAERS and others are not. Read, learn, because you clearly need to:

Knowledge Article · NLM Customer Support Center

Editorial-Publication Charges - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

VAERS - Guide to Interpreting VAERS Data

 

[Parrish]

Why do you want to “eliminate” autism?

Ever think that perhaps neurodivergent individuals don’t WANT to be “eliminated” and are perfectly content just the way they are and with their brains just the way they are?

Then there is Dr. Temple Grandin, Gregory Abowd, Catherine Rice, among many others.

 

[BirdinHand]

Then there is Dr. Temple Grandin, Gregory Abowd, Catherine Rice, among many others.

Some of the most brilliant individuals have been autistic!

Sometimes I think the entire “debate” boils down to non-autistic individuals simply not wanting to take the effort to accommodate and understand autistic individuals. And completely ignores the voices of those who are autistic.

 

[Jezcoe]

A guy who actually went to medical school and received a degree.

That makes him 10Kx more reliable then your sources.

He also developed a vaccine that has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of children.

For that.. the crazy people vilify him.

 

[snakestretcher]

Some of the most brilliant individuals have been autistic!

Celebrating Mozart this World Autism Acceptance Week | Lark Music

How Mozart’s unique musical abilities could suggest that he was on the autistic spectrum, and how this can inspire people with autism today.

www.larkmusic.com

Autism: The Enigma That Amazingly Saved 14 Million Lives

A film review about a movie focused on Alan Turing's brilliant mind and his achievements, yet somehow, no credit is merited to the protagonists' autistic journey.

www.autismparentingmagazine.com

 

[Jezcoe]

Their belief in vaccines is like a religion. It's not based on data or science.

Okay... lets say we get rid of vaccines.

What happens next?

 

[snakestretcher]

Their belief in vaccines is like a religion. It's not based on data or science.

You couldn't have posted anything more laughably ignorant if you tried. I guess you'll try though. Don't let us down; laughter is important. We're laughing at you, not with you.

 

[snakestretcher]

Okay... lets say we get rid of vaccines.

What happens next?

Don't expect a coherent response, if you even get one.

 

[snakestretcher]

I never said 4 million was better

what if we could stop using the binders in combo vaccines and reduce Tylenol use and reduce the unnecessary vaccines and reverse the autism epidemic and child deaths from vaccines but still have good vaccinations for our citizens ?

but make a suggestion and the left loses their minds ....

Are you a clinician? Didn't think so; the fact that you think VAERS is a reliable resource, despite VAERS stating clearly that it is not to be relied on, speaks for itself.

 

[Jezcoe]

Don't expect a coherent response, if you even get one.

I am genuinely interested in this world that some people are advocating for.

If vaccines are indeed bad and dangerous... what does the world look like without them?

 

[snakestretcher]

I am genuinely interested in this world that some people are advocating for.

If vaccines are indeed bad and dangerous... what does the world look like without them?

Millions more very unpleasant deaths. Vaccination eradicated the world's most prolific killer, smallpox; before its introduction millions perished every year. Many idiots still think vaccines don't work.

Smallpox: global cases 1920-1980| Statista

The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that there were millions of smallpox cases every year until the 1970s, when the WHO's eradication program then successfully eliminated the disease in nature.

www.statista.com

 

[Gordy327]

I agree, its not worth it, not in the capacity vaccines are today in 2025

Why can't we have vaccines and find out the root cause of autism and eliminate it both? its almost like you're arguing that vaccines ARE the cause ... but its worth it

I never once said or even implied vaccines are the cause of autism. Blaming vaccines for autism is disingenuous at best and based on ignorance and fear. But then, people do tend to be irrational.

I never said 4 million was better

what if we could stop using the binders in combo vaccines and reduce Tylenol use and reduce the unnecessary vaccines and reverse the autism epidemic and child deaths from vaccines but still have good vaccinations for our citizens ?

but make a suggestion and the left loses their minds ....

There's no proof vaccines or Tylenol causes autism. Which vaccines are unnecessary exactly? Considering vaccines help prevent illness from diseases, I'd say all vaccines are necessary. Unless one actually wants to risk getting a disease.

 

[Gordy327]

Okay... lets say we get rid of vaccines.

What happens next?

People suffer and/or die from preventable diseases. That must be the antivaxxer wet dream, considering they vehemently fight against vaccines.

 

[Koala]

RFK and Trump are the wrong people to wade into this controversy. Leave it to the the medical professionals. But just know, it is true, there is a debate amongs medical professionals about the possibility of birth defects. Problem is OBGYN's are one side, and they think Tylenol should be used due to risk-benefit considerations, while a consensus of scientists and physicians of other specialties think there is enough emerging evidence of possible dangers in pregnancy that tylenol be used cautiously/sparingly until more definitive evidence can be established either way.

There are actually plenty of legitimate scientific reasons to be cautious about Tylenol use other than this, if Trump really was concerned about too much Tylenol us. Tis shows he is disingenous about health concerns, its jsut about these autism conspiracy theorists and the ANTI-VAX crowd tend to find a base of support amongs MAGA.

1) Tylenol is surprisingly dangerous drug that probably should not be sold OTC. When the FDA was presented with the data on medical harm of Tylenol when its Over the Counter status was being debated/reviewed, they literally said, "Oh well, too late now, the cat's already out of the bag" because Tylenol was already so widely used everywhere.

2) Tylenol is the number cause of acute fulminant hepatitis in U.S. emergency rooms, which is a potentially form of acute liver failure. The problem is, the therapeutic window for Tylenol is very narrow, meaning liver damage starts as soon as you go over the maximum 6 pills in a 24 hour period.

**Tylenol's danger to your liver is exacerbated by any underlying liver disease. Which is what makes it so dangerous -- cause guess who loves to pop 8 tylenol to get over a hangover? Alcoholics, many of home may be already have damaged the crap out of their liver from all that drinking and have cirrhosis. Add those two factors together and you get a trip to the ER for urgent surgery to save your liver and your life. Happens all the time. Never EVER take more that 6 tylenol in 24 hours.​

3) Tylenol in pregnacy is actually a little bid more controversial than is let on. There is a debate in the field. Back in 2016, after numerous emerging scientific evidence that there MAY be a link to brith defects, especially neurodevelopmental ons, when taken in pregnant women, a consensus statement of a large block of physicians and scientists was signed urging that tylenol use in pregnancy be considered potentially unsafe until further studies could be done.

However, the ACOG, which represents OBGYN's had a different take, and criticized this statement and took the opposite stance that in fact it was safe to take in pregnancy. Given that pregnancy is their field of specialty, you kinda have to defer to them -- they look at it more from a cost-benefit ratio. They say the links to birth defects are as yet unproven, and because it is an important fever reducer, and the risks of fever especially a high fever in pregnancy are far more proven than the potential but yet-unproven risks of birth defects -- then acetaminophen may be used due to fact no other/better fever-reduction medications are available.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Women get aches and pains and fevers, etc during pregnancy.
What would you suggest they do… just suck it up? Suffer?
You realize that stress, pain, fever, etc also impact fetal development, right?

I'm suggesting that maybe there are better ways - and that using a pain reliever that might cause autism isn't maybe the best choice.

Free our minds to see that maybe just maybe the way things are done can be changed and we can still have immunization, we can still have women with pain relief, and we can have it without millions being born with mental disorders/austim

Or maybe its totally something else causing it .... but the left is vehemently against even looking because its Trump administration

If this was Obama ya'll would be cheering for him looking into the causes of the explosion of autism in the USA

 

[hecatmoggie]

Why do you want to “eliminate” autism?
Ever think that perhaps neurodivergent individuals don’t WANT to be “eliminated” and are perfectly content just the way they are and with their brains just the way they are?

I think we need to eliminate everything that changes the way an un unborn or born baby is developing/altering the natural course of things. If something is in our food causing this, if something is in our water, in vaccines etc etc ..... that's changing the way our kids are developing? then yes, that needs eliminated because its not natural/normal

Why would we want to get rid of things that cause birth defects/deformities? Maybe they're perfectly content to right?

 

[Gordy327]

I'm suggesting that maybe there are better ways - and that using a pain reliever that might cause autism isn't maybe the best choice.

Free our minds to see that maybe just maybe the way things are done can be changed and we can still have immunization, we can still have women with pain relief, and we can have it without millions being born with mental disorders/austim

Or maybe its totally something else causing it .... but the left is vehemently against even looking because its Trump administration

If this was Obama ya'll would be cheering for him looking into the causes of the explosion of autism in the USA

Autism was identified before Tylenol was even introduced. There is nothing to support or even suggest Tylenol (and vaccines) cause autism. "Maybe" is not a convincing or persuasive argument.