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. . .Will you declare yourself a traitor and a terrorist and fight against government?. . .
What do you think the chances are? How long do you think it will take to get to this state, will it happen in our life time? Will you declare yourself a traitor and a terrorist and fight against government? or will you be a loyalist? I ask becuse there is a lot going on and this seems to be a reoccuring message going out. Lets talk about this, because it may be a ery real possibility.
I get positively giddy when we agree!Terrorist is the wrong term. You become a revolutionary. Then you start a revolution. All revolution is not violent. Some is non violent. We need not bomb things or kill to revolt. Our views are skewed. Ghandi and Che were revolutionaries one violent one not.
I get positively giddy when we agree!
Here is my theory on this. Marx said that before Communism could exist two things had to occur basically. First, capitalism had to conquere the globe, and this is very close to being a reality. Second, societies had to evolve through different forms of government.
That is to say the evolution of government is: feudalism->industrialization->capitalism->socialism->communism. Europe is ahead of the game as they are older and already in socialism.
Our government is designed to be conservative, so we are moving slowly toward socialism, this is being accepted because it is creeping incrementally, thus people gripe but do not react. China and Russia attempted to bypass some of the steps and have had to backtrack, but we are all on the same path ultimately.
This being said, I feel when this country reaches socialism and begins to move more toward communist, a revolution will occur. If not, the revolution described by Marx will occur for sure.
Your questions presuppose much.What do you think the chances are? How long do you think it will take to get to this state, will it happen in our life time? Will you declare yourself a traitor and a terrorist and fight against government? or will you be a loyalist? I ask becuse there is a lot going on and this seems to be a reoccuring message going out. Lets talk about this, because it may be a ery real possibility.
What do you think the chances are? How long do you think it will take to get to this state, will it happen in our life time? Will you declare yourself a traitor and a terrorist and fight against government? or will you be a loyalist? I ask becuse there is a lot going on and this seems to be a reoccuring message going out. Lets talk about this, because it may be a ery real possibility.
Nice post. My hope is to see socialism come without a violent revolution. Socialism comes through capitalism and democracy. It is an evolutionary process. The US is far away as there are to many people steeped in greed.
Eventually it will come.
Nice post. My hope is to see socialism come without a violent revolution.
Socialism comes through capitalism and democracy.
It is an evolutionary process.
The US is far away as there are to many people steeped in greed.
Eventually it will come.
Here is my theory on this. Marx said that before Communism could exist two things had to occur basically. First, capitalism had to conquere the globe, and this is very close to being a reality. Second, societies had to evolve through different forms of government.
That is to say the evolution of government is: feudalism->industrialization->capitalism->socialism->communism. Europe is ahead of the game as they are older and already in socialism.
Our government is designed to be conservative, so we are moving slowly toward socialism, this is being accepted because it is creeping incrementally, thus people gripe but do not react. China and Russia attempted to bypass some of the steps and have had to backtrack, but we are all on the same path ultimately.
This being said, I feel when this country reaches socialism and begins to move more toward communist, a revolution will occur. If not, the revolution described by Marx will occur for sure.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1841/dr-theses/note-iv.htm said:When philosophy turns itself as will against the world of appearance, then the system is lowered to an abstract totality, that is, it has become one aspect of the world which opposes another one. Its relationship to the world is that of reflection. Inspired by the urge to realise itself, it enters into tension against the other. The inner self-contentment and completeness has been broken. What was inner light has become consuming flame turning outwards. The result is that as the world becomes philosophical, philosophy also becomes worldly, that its realisation is also its loss, that what it struggles against on the outside is its own inner deficiency, that in the very struggle it falls precisely into those defects which it fights as defects in the opposite camp, and that it can only overcome these defects by failing into them. That which opposes it and that which it fights is always the same as itself, only with factors inverted.
Not without people dying. Socialism is, after all, about forcing compliance. Can't have that without killing people eventually.
Revolution isn't terrorism son, unless the fools are attacking civillian non-government target and engaging in campaign of petty harassment.
A revolution is going to involve massive numbers of people openly rebelling against the status quo that seeks to enslave them, and it's not going to be effected by dirty little bearded marxist types plotting in dark cellars.
If the revolution comes to physical blows, it will look more like the civil war.
Marx also sealed the fate of his ideology before he wrote it down. In his Thesis (Philosophy of Nature) he says
This holds the foundation of his ideals that the very essence of a philosophy contains the seed that will sprout it's destruction. However, for some reason he decided his philosophies are exempt.
His world-view is that of the ethical question promoted before the research was done. He started with the Master-Slave dialectic and excluded all the other causes for the plausible progress of humanity (stage to stage, government to government).
Marx never lived to see the most powerful anti-revolution (in the Marxian paradigm) tool used by Government and Capitalists thereof. I am talking about Reforms. The concept of Reform instead of Revolution is never really discussed by the Marxian writing.
It's a wonder why people would think the most intelligent and most creative and most powerful (Capitalists) people ever to grace the Earth, could not keep control. Reforms have allowed them to do so and Reforms will continue to allow them to do so.
Why, do you hate the country that much?
Socialism kills capitalism, progress, and the human spirit, and makes democracy pointless.
The final step of any evolutionary process is death. Socialism is death.
"Greed". You mean people who mind their own business and endorse the concept of personal responsibility.
Not without people dying. Socialism is, after all, about forcing compliance. Can't have that without killing people eventually.
people unsuccessfully revolt all the time.
I assume the revolution you are talking about is one that is both "successful" and violent? That can only happen if something horrible happens leaving the government crippled and powerless while refusing to accept it is crippled and powerless.
I voted it will happen, but not in my lifetime.
Haha, so members of the Government are no longer civilians?
It's not going to last long, as the armed forces could wipe out any "massive" rebellion in mere hours.
No. It will be the United States massacring (what would be called) Rogue States
Why do you equate socialism with hating the country? I don't hate it. I think it could be made better. I am after all a socialist and am part of a socialist community here.
Socialism is an evolutionary growth from the death of capitalism. It is a natural occurrence and is where this country needs to go.
I disagree, socialism came to Europe without firing a shot.
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