Reverend Wright speaks...

[Thorgasm]

Reverend Wright spoke tonite with Bill Moyers. Check it out if you honestly want to hear an explanation for his comments and an understanding of where he comes from and who he is. It's in two parts.

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

 

[Thorgasm]

The silence is deafening.

 

[1069]

I'm reading Obama's autobiography right now, reading about his work as a community organizer in Chicago, before he went to Harvard.
This is when he first met Reverend Wright, who would later preside at his wedding.
Reverend Wright sounds moderate compared to the other black preachers- some of them black nationalists- in the story.
Many in the black community disliked Wright for his more moderate stances and disparaged TUCC as a rich, buppy church.
The black community is righteously angry- or at least, they were in the 1980s, which is the era I'm currently reading about; their anger was valid, and probably still is. Their grievances were legitimate, and no doubt still are. Church leaders are part of the community, and black ones are part of the black race. You can hardly expect they'd be any different. You can hardly expect they'd have a congregation at all, if they didn't preach the gospel of black empowerment, and speak to their congregants' rage against and wounds inflicted by the white race and the white power structure.

 

[Onine]

This guy is an idiot.

Most, if not all, of his peers would probably state that religion and politics should be kept separate. Then you get this guy who not only contradicts that belief, but openly speaks out, even when he looks like an idiot. It's like this guy is trying to run for president someday, and the media... the media is just buying right into it.

Truly depressing by any political standard. Obama needs to choke that old man and be done with it.

 

[Arcana XV]

I just finished watching it. Interesting stuff. Gives a totally different perspective one the man.

I do agree that religion and politics should be kept separate, but he's hardly the first religious leader to have used the pulpit to express political opinions.

 

[Onine]

Then again he seems to be speaking as a black man more than as a religious figure. That may make an exception. I still think it is silly though.

 

[Middleground]

This guy is an idiot.

Most, if not all, of his peers would probably state that religion and politics should be kept separate. Then you get this guy who not only contradicts that belief, but openly speaks out, even when he looks like an idiot.

Did you watch the interview? He said on a few occasions that he believes that church and politics don't mix.

So I ask you... WTF are you coming from??? Did you see the interview or do you just prefer to make statements based-on pure rhetoric and ignorance?

 

[quatrotritikali]

Did you watch the interview? He said on a few occasions that he believes that church and politics don't mix.

So I ask you... WTF are you coming from??? Did you see the interview or do you just prefer to make statements based-on pure rhetoric and ignorance?

Wright, Sharpton, Jackson, Robertson, Hagee...they all should be tied together and tossed into the shark-infested waters off San Diego....that would be a great start.

 

[Onine]

Did you watch the interview? He said on a few occasions that he believes that church and politics don't mix.

So I ask you... WTF are you coming from??? Did you see the interview or do you just prefer to make statements based-on pure rhetoric and ignorance?

Yet there he is being interviewed about the same thing all over again. Do you know how many comments went around the internet in either direction because of this? I would much rather him not say anything at all anymore. Don't call me ignorant simply because you sit here in DP all day. I rarely come to this poor excuse of a forum at all regardless. I go to many places. Im not short sighted, so Piss off. :roll:

 

[quatrotritikali]

Yet there he is being interviewed about the same thing all over again. Do you know how many comments went around the internet in either direction because of this? I would much rather him not say anything at all anymore. Don't call me ignorant simply because you sit here in DP all day. I rarely come to this poor excuse of a forum at all regardless. I go to many places. Im not short sighted, so Piss off. :roll:

Well boo-hoo. Did little Onine get his wittle feelings hurt? Gonna take your toys home now? If so, be sure to leave the Hot Wheels cars behind...they are mine.

 

[Onine]

Well boo-hoo. Did little Onine get his wittle feelings hurt? Gonna take your toys home now? If so, be sure to leave the Hot Wheels cars behind...they are mine.

Lol, grow up. If this guy was white you wouldn't even give him the time of day.

Do you know what that makes you? :roll::spin:

 

[quatrotritikali]

Lol, grow up. If this guy was white you wouldn't even give him the time of day.

Do you know what that makes you? :roll::spin:

Yeah, it makes me smarter than you Onine. Wright could be a purple-skinned racist scumbag, and I wouldn't give him the time of day...so don't think I would only feel that way about whites. :roll:

 

[Onine]

Yeah, it makes me smarter than you Onine. Wright could be a purple-skinned racist scumbag, and I wouldn't give him the time of day...so don't think I would only feel that way about whites. :roll:

Lol, smarter than me? I'm not going to keep replying to you if you are just going to act like a retard. When you want to act like an adult send me a PM and we can continue our discussion.

Until then... have fun playin' with yourself.

 

[quatrotritikali]

Lol, smarter than me? I'm not going to keep replying to you if you are just going to act like a retard. When you want to act like an adult send me a PM and we can continue our discussion.

Until then... have fun playin' with yourself.

It is you acting like a 'tard. I don't want to PM you about anything...because you have nothing substantial to say or discuss. I'm just passing the time keeping your silly-a$$ busy, until my movie shows tonight.

 

[Thorgasm]

I started this thread for an honest discussion. Not a flame fest.

 

[1069]

I started this thread for an honest discussion. Not a flame fest.

Unavoidable.
This new breed of poster has seen to that.
Honest discussion seems not to be sufficiently entertaining, or something.

 

[quatrotritikali]

I started this thread for an honest discussion. Not a flame fest.

Well then...discuss. Or better yet, PM Onine, and you and he can bond. He opened up the flame war by telling Middleground to "piss off"...which should be sufficient grounds for Onine to be given an infraction or at least a warning from the MODS. I'm actually trying to steer clear of using profane language.

 

[WI Crippler]

Moderator's Warning:

Ok enough of this baiting and flaming, and insults to each others intelligence. Also telling people to piss off is unacceptable. Discussions about Reverend Wright and his association with Obama can and will be done in a manner that abides by forum rules, or the thread gets closed.

 

[Thorgasm]

I don't want this to get sent downstairs. People have spent a lot of time and energy calling this man a racist. We now have an explanation for his comments and people now have the opportunity to address his explanation. This is a debate forum. Let's please act like adults and discuss this in a civil manner. Thank you.

 

[1069]

I think in order to clearly define whether the man is a "racist", one would have to clearly understand that black people, including the black middle and upper class, are very dissatisfied with their treatment at the hands of the white power structure.
You'd have to clearly understand the issues involved; they have very good reasons to be angry and to demand change.
If you're white, you're only going to understand these things through earnest and careful reading and research, because these aren't things that white people know about, for the most part. Our entire, white-run, patriarchal society is structured to shelter us from having to know about them, so that we can enjoy our lives and not have to recognize our privilege, which would in many cases detract from that enjoyment.
Reverend Wright is responding to the feelings of his congregation, and addressing their needs, physical, spiritual, and emotional.
That's what a church community is for.
If it didn't do that- offer solace and solutions to problems that are all too real and seemingly insurmountable, if it didn't offer hope, then people simply would not go.
The needs of black parishioners in black churches are different from the needs of white parishioners in white churches, because white people made it so.
We structured society so that we would have privilege at the expense of a disadvantaged minority underclass, and Reverend Wright simply attempts to minister to their needs.

If you don't like it, learn about the issues and start working to change them.
The immediate way you can help equalize things is by voting for Barack Obama.

 

[John1234]

Reverend Wright spoke tonite with Bill Moyers. Check it out if you honestly want to hear an explanation for his comments and an understanding of where he comes from and who he is. It's in two parts.

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Bill Moyers Journal . Watch & Listen | PBS

Thanks for posting this.
I watched all of it.
It would seem that Wright is not half as bad as the media made him out to be with selective sound bytes.
After getting a chance to see the whole speeches in context, I find myself agreeing with some things and empathizing with most of it.

I think it was good that Wright cleared up some of this for those that care to try and understand him.
But now he needs to just disappear lol.

 

[Thorgasm]

Thanks for posting this.
I watched all of it.
It would seem that Wright is not half as bad as the media made him out to be with selective sound bytes.
After getting a chance to see the whole speeches in context, I find myself agreeing with some things and empathizing with most of it.

I think it was good that Wright cleared up some of this for those that care to try and understand him.
But now he needs to just disappear lol.

Thanks. He does need to lay low. Unfortunately, the media won't tell the less sexy story that Wright isn't a racist. And obviously, political opponents of Obama won't honestly admit that he isn't a racist.

 

[quatrotritikali]

I think in order to clearly define whether the man is a "racist", one would have to clearly understand that black people, including the black middle and upper class, are very dissatisfied with their treatment at the hands of the white power structure.
You'd have to clearly understand the issues involved; they have very good reasons to be angry and to demand change.
If you're white, you're only going to understand these things through earnest and careful reading and research, because these aren't things that white people know about, for the most part. Our entire, white-run, patriarchal society is structured to shelter us from having to know about them, so that we can enjoy our lives and not have to recognize our privilege, which would in many cases detract from that enjoyment.
Reverend Wright is responding to the feelings of his congregation, and addressing their needs, physical, spiritual, and emotional.
That's what a church community is for.
If it didn't do that- offer solace and solutions to problems that are all too real and seemingly insurmountable, if it didn't offer hope, then people simply would not go.
The needs of black parishioners in black churches are different from the needs of white parishioners in white churches, because white people made it so.
We structured society so that we would have privilege at the expense of a disadvantaged minority underclass, and Reverend Wright simply attempts to minister to their needs.

If you don't like it, learn about the issues and start working to change them.
The immediate way you can help equalize things is by voting for Barack Obama.

10, you seem to be an apologist. Unlike you, I have no white guilt, no white sin...I'm not beholden to anyone or any other race.

Rev. Wright is a racist and an agitator. He has forgotten that he is simply a priest (if you will), and as such, he is supposed to adhere to biblical teachings. The man has no business preaching politics to his congregation. It is also not his place to stir up strife, thereby indirectly exhorting his followers to take law into their own hands or act out any violence against others. Yet he is doing that very thing.

Yes, Rev. Wright is supposed to address his congregaton's spiritual needs first and foremost...then their emotional and physcial, as needed. But he should stop there. His job as a man of the cloth is to simply teach about God and the way to Salvation through Jesus Christ...not whether to vote Democrat or Republican, for this candidate or that candidate, etc. He is a charlatan, spiritually brainwashing his congregation, twisting the Word of God and interjecting his own biases and hatreds into those words.

And no, the immediate way to equalize things is NOT to vote for Obama.

 

[Thorgasm]

10, you seem to be an apologist. Unlike you, I have no white guilt, no white sin...I'm not beholden to anyone or any other race.

Rev. Wright is a racist and an agitator. He has forgotten that he is simply a priest (if you will), and as such, he is supposed to adhere to biblical teachings. The man has no business preaching politics to his congregation. It is also not his place to stir up strife, thereby indirectly exhorting his followers to take law into their own hands or act out any violence against others. Yet he is doing that very thing.

Yes, Rev. Wright is supposed to address his congregaton's spiritual needs first and foremost...then their emotional and physcial, as needed. But he should stop there. His job as a man of the cloth is to simply teach about God and the way to Salvation through Jesus Christ...not whether to vote Democrat or Republican, for this candidate or that candidate, etc. He is a charlatan, spiritually brainwashing his congregation, twisting the Word of God and interjecting his own biases and hatreds into those words.

And no, the immediate way to equalize things is NOT to vote for Obama.

You obviously didn't watch the interview.

 

[quatrotritikali]

You obviously didn't watch the interview.

Don't need to. Interviews can be slanted as to make people think a certain way, and you should know this. However, to each his own. I personally don't like the man's religious or political agenda. He's done this crap in the past as well. Go back and research past interviews and other news articles regarding the man.