Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

[Aristaeus]

Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare.

As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

At that time 53,000 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli attacks, according to health authorities in Gaza, a toll that included combatants and civilians. Fighters named in the Israeli military intelligence database accounted for just 17% of the total, which indicates that 83% of the dead were civilians.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

 

[Phys251]

Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare.

As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

At that time 53,000 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli attacks, according to health authorities in Gaza, a toll that included combatants and civilians. Fighters named in the Israeli military intelligence database accounted for just 17% of the total, which indicates that 83% of the dead were civilians.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

To call what Israel has done cruelty isn't enough. This is pure human butchery and completely inexcusable.

 

[Peacenik]

It's a pretty effective genocide machine. Stave 'em till they come for food and then shoot 'em.

 

[Peacenik]

Oh, but the zionists say they deserve it. It's a way for them to 'get even' for what Nazis did to their families.

 

[dmpi]

LOL. These guys either can't do math or they redefined what 'civilian death rate' actually means.

 

[bongsaway]

LOL. These guys either can't do math or they redefined what 'civilian death rate' actually means.

Who are these guys?

 

[Rexedgar]

LOL. These guys either can't do math or they redefined what 'civilian death rate' actually means.

Not good at percentages, are we?

 

[Integrityrespec]

To call what Israel has done cruelty isn't enough. This is pure human butchery and completely inexcusable.

If you drive a car with the guys that rob a bank and they kill the guards, you are guilty as well. The people in Gaza elected Hamas to run their lives and they are responsible for that decision. Israel is taking extreme steps in order to ensure that they don't have terror groups trying to kill them day in and day out. The Palestinians in the middle east have been hard at it since 1948 and Israel finally got fed up. Now it's wipe out the terror group. Palestinians could end this today. Hamas surrender, free the remaining hostages, return the bodies of the dead hostages and come to a peace that doesn't include Hamas running the government.

 

[dmpi]

Not good at percentages, are we?

What do you think 'civilian death rate' actually means? For example, If the city has 1 million people, and 83% of the people were killed then that would translate to 830,000 deaths. So if 53,000 people were killed then the total population needs to be 63,855.

 

[Ishm]

If you drive a car with the guys that rob a bank and they kill the guards, you are guilty as well. The people in Gaza elected Hamas to run their lives and they are responsible for that decision. Israel is taking extreme steps in order to ensure that they don't have terror groups trying to kill them day in and day out. The Palestinians in the middle east have been hard at it since 1948 and Israel finally got fed up. Now it's wipe out the terror group. Palestinians could end this today. Hamas surrender, free the remaining hostages, return the bodies of the dead hostages and come to a peace that doesn't include Hamas running the government.

I guess you aren't too good at math? Or maybe you just don't like facts? A quick study of the numbers, which I have posted previously, will tell you that around 10% of the people alive in Gaza today have ever voted for Hamas.

The median age in Gaza today is approx 18 years old. That means ~50% of todays Gazans weren't even born in 2006. But Gaza has always had a young population, so even back in 2006 the % of the population old enough to vote would have still been around that 50% number. So now we have 50% of those that were alive in 2006, so around 50% x 50% of those alive today. That makes 25% of todays population that were eligible to vote in 2006. Of course not everyone would have voted, but let's use a high % and say that 80% of that 25% voted in 2006. That means that 20% of todays population voted in 2006. Hamas got ~45% of the vote, so that tells us that 9% of todays Gaza population voted for Hamas.

 

[jaypatriot]

Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare.

As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

At that time 53,000 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli attacks, according to health authorities in Gaza, a toll that included combatants and civilians. Fighters named in the Israeli military intelligence database accounted for just 17% of the total, which indicates that 83% of the dead were civilians.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

This is to remind anyone who cares, there is civil war in progress in Sudan where more than 61,000 Sudanese have died in the conflict there.
I realize Muslim-on-Muslim deaths don't mean anything to those fixated on Palestinian deaths in Gaza. Those deaths are a result of Muslims fighting Jews which is a lot more triggering than Muslims killing Muslims.
It is sad how Americans can be fixated on a conflict involving one of our strongest allies in the Middle East and totally ignore another tragic conflict in Africa.
I guess Palestinian Muslims killed in a war are a lot more important than African Muslims caught in a civil war. Are some Muslims valued more highly to Americans than other Muslims?

Death toll from Sudan’s brutal civil war far exceeds previous estimates, study suggests​

“In Khartoum State, between April 2023 and June 2024, the researchers estimate over 61,000 people died of all causes, a 50% increase in the pre-war death rate. Over the same period, it is estimated that there were over 26,000 deaths due to violence in Khartoum State, significantly higher than the 20,178 intentional-injury deaths reported by ACLED for the entire country,” the report said.
ACLED, or Armed Conflict Location & Event Data, is a non-profit organization whose figures are widely used by international organizations, including the United Nations, and national governments.

Death toll from Sudan’s brutal civil war far exceeds previous estimates, study suggests

The number of people killed in Sudan’s civil war is far higher than previously thought, according to new research, as aid agencies warn that conflict has created the world’s worst hunger crisis with millions on the brink of famine

www.voanews.com

 

[jaypatriot]

I guess you aren't too good at math? Or maybe you just don't like facts? A quick study of the numbers, which I have posted previously, will tell you that around 10% of the people alive in Gaza today have ever voted for Hamas.

Speaking of something that happened in our deep past:
Here's another fun fact: 100% of today's African-American population never experienced slavery in America yet statues from 150 years ago are being torn down in protest over Confederate heroes. School and military base names are changed because they evoke hatred because of something that happened in the 19th century.
100% of today's African-American population never experienced slavery in America, yet race-baiting black authors are making money selling books decrying slavery which ended over 150 years ago.
There are laws against discrimination of anyone of a different color or creed and yet we must all listen to cries of "systemic racism" in our society but no one can identify the "system" that is racist.
Why can't people get over something that has not existed for more than150 years?

The fighting in Gaza can end if Hamas gives up the fight and Israeli hostages are allowed to be returned to their families. Why can't that happen?

 

[Rexedgar]

What do you think 'civilian death rate' actually means? For example, If the city has 1 million people, and 83% of the people were killed then that would translate to 830,000 deaths. So if 53,000 people were killed then the total population needs to be 63,855.

You’re making it worse. What percent of 53K is 8.9K?

 

[dmpi]

You’re making it worse. What percent of 53K is 8.9K?

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Israeli murder forces

This is to remind anyone who cares, there is civil war in progress in Sudan where more than 61,000 Sudanese have died in the conflict there.
I realize Muslim-on-Muslim deaths don't mean anything to those fixated on Palestinian deaths in Gaza. Those deaths are a result of Muslims fighting Jews which is a lot more triggering than Muslims killing Muslims.
It is sad how Americans can be fixated on a conflict involving one of our strongest allies in the Middle East and totally ignore another tragic conflict in Africa.
I guess Palestinian Muslims killed in a war are a lot more important than African Muslims caught in a civil war. Are some Muslims valued more highly to Americans than other Muslims?

Death toll from Sudan’s brutal civil war far exceeds previous estimates, study suggests​

“In Khartoum State, between April 2023 and June 2024, the researchers estimate over 61,000 people died of all causes, a 50% increase in the pre-war death rate. Over the same period, it is estimated that there were over 26,000 deaths due to violence in Khartoum State, significantly higher than the 20,178 intentional-injury deaths reported by ACLED for the entire country,” the report said.
ACLED, or Armed Conflict Location & Event Data, is a non-profit organization whose figures are widely used by international organizations, including the United Nations, and national governments.

Death toll from Sudan’s brutal civil war far exceeds previous estimates, study suggests

The number of people killed in Sudan’s civil war is far higher than previously thought, according to new research, as aid agencies warn that conflict has created the world’s worst hunger crisis with millions on the brink of famine

www.voanews.com

Just like Iraqi non deaths mattered more than deaths on Darfur as part of justification for the Iraq 2 invasion.

Or the 1000 deaths of Israelis seems to matter more than the 80 000 Palestinian deaths

 

[Apocalypse]

Every time I enter threads titled such way I know the source would be the idiotic fanatic Yuval Avraham from the +972mag/'Local Call' fringe far-left paper and his so-called "military sources" in the IDF.

 

[Ishm]

Speaking of something that happened in our deep past:
Here's another fun fact: 100% of today's African-American population never experienced slavery in America yet statues from 150 years ago are being torn down in protest over Confederate heroes. School and military base names are changed because they evoke hatred because of something that happened in the 19th century.
100% of today's African-American population never experienced slavery in America, yet race-baiting black authors are making money selling books decrying slavery which ended over 150 years ago.
There are laws against discrimination of anyone of a different color or creed and yet we must all listen to cries of "systemic racism" in our society but no one can identify the "system" that is racist.
Why can't people get over something that has not existed for more than150 years?

The fighting in Gaza can end if Hamas gives up the fight and Israeli hostages are allowed to be returned to their families. Why can't that happen?

Systemic racism claims are simple to understand. African Americans are massively over represented in the nations worst socio economic data sets. That means that you either say that AA's are racially 'inferior' because of their race, or you say that society is/has been biased against them to the point that they are being disadvantaged by their race. Personally I think the main issue is that we only really got rid of the overt racism that affected so many AA families just a couple of generations ago. That means that the intergenerational wealth transfers that have benefited and enabled so many non AA's, have only really started in many AA families. That means less access to opportunities (education etc) are still issues for many AA families who are still working through the process of compiling the intergenerational wealth where white people in particular are 200 years ahead in that process. America has an extremely racist past, and we are as far removed from that past as we might think. Maybe in anther 100 years and 3 or 4 more generations we might have shaken off our racist past, but the stats say that we haven't achieved that yet.

The fighting in Gaza is not going to end with any sort of truce. Israel has clearly decided that they want to steal more (all) Palestinian land, and the war will only end with either the completion of Israels genocide, or the removal of the Palestinian people from their land. There is zero reason for Hamas to give up the remaining hostages, because Israel is going to either murder the Palestinians, or totally displace them to steal their land regardless of any deal Hamas offer to make.

 

[mrjurrs]

Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare.

As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

At that time 53,000 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli attacks, according to health authorities in Gaza, a toll that included combatants and civilians. Fighters named in the Israeli military intelligence database accounted for just 17% of the total, which indicates that 83% of the dead were civilians.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

They must be so proud...

 

[The Brad Dad]

LOL. These guys either can't do math or they redefined what 'civilian death rate' actually means.

Gaza is nearly half children. How many dead children are funny?

 

[dmpi]

Gaza is nearly half children. How many dead children are funny?

Right. And 80% of the building are hospitals.

 

[Surrealistik]

Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare.

As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”, a joint investigation by the Guardian, the Israeli-Palestinian publication +972 Magazine and the Hebrew-language outlet Local Call has found.

At that time 53,000 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli attacks, according to health authorities in Gaza, a toll that included combatants and civilians. Fighters named in the Israeli military intelligence database accounted for just 17% of the total, which indicates that 83% of the dead were civilians.

Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

www.theguardian.com

I pegged my estimates for casualty ratios as being conservatively around 5.66 : 1, assuming a baseline ratio of 70/30 women + elderly + children to adult men was accurate; this assumes about half of the adult men slain were combatants (i.e. 15% of the total were militants vs the article's 17%).

If that ratio is 60/40, my estimate is closer to 5 : 1 (20% of the total being militants in this case).

In general, the numbers/ratio provided definitely by the article appear to be within the bounds of reason.

As a basis of comparison, WW2, an existential total war where civilian population centers were extensively targeted, nuked and firebombed, featured an overall civilian to militant death ratio of roughly 1.85 : 1 per most averaged estimates.

The Battle of Mosul when Coalition forces were tasked with removing ISIS from a dense urban environment while they were extensively using both human shields and guerilla tactics were roughly 1 : 1.

The 1st Battle of Fallujah, one of the bloodiest during the Iraq invasion was 2.88 : 1.

 

[Aristaeus]

What in the world are you talking about?

Sigh. 53,000 dead. 8,900 of whom were Hamas, means 83% of the dead are civilians. How is this difficult for you??

 

[dmpi]

Sigh. 53,000 dead. 8,900 of whom were Hamas, means 83% of the dead are civilians. How is this difficult for you??

Gaza has a population of 2.1 million. What's 83% of 2.1 million? You can't be this dumb.

 

[Apocalypse]

Sigh. 53,000 dead. 8,900 of whom were Hamas, means 83% of the dead are civilians. How is this difficult for you??

IDF figures are that over 22,000 Hamas terrorists were killed so far.
It also denied the claims of the far-left activist quoted in your article.

IDF denies report claiming that its own database found that vast majority of Gaza dead were civilians

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Aristaeus]

Gaza has a population of 2.1 million. What's 83% of 2.1 million? You can't be this dumb.

No one is claiming 83% of the population has been killed. Perhaps read the article?

83% of those killed are civilians. That is the claim.