Repubs wanting Bernie as nominee: Be careful about what you ask for.

[Linc]

Quite wrong. He explicitly said he wanted to undo the Great Society, not the New Deal.

Reagan was a continuation of the Southern Strategy, living down to his middle name.

In 1961, RWR began his transition to the gop, trashing Medicare.

 

[Jack Hays]

The new deal means putting the govt. on the peoples side not the wealthy. He turned that upside down.

" . . . Reagan, in word and deed, was actually FDR's true heir.

Reagan never explicitly claimed this, but his speeches and writings suggest that's exactly what he thought. He readily admitted he had voted for FDR four times and in 1982 wrote in his diary that he was trying to "undo the Great Society," not the New Deal. He always said that he had not left the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party had left him. He even quoted FDR directly in the 1964 television speech on behalf of Barry Goldwater that made him a national figure. . . . "

Reagan: FDR's True Heir | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com › articles › reagan_fdrs_true_heir_134354

Jul 2, 2017 - Common wisdom holds that Ronald Reagan, a devoted FDR acolyte during Roosevelt's life, became the most powerful opponent of his legacy ...

 

[Jack Hays]

Reagan was a continuation of the Southern Strategy, living down to his middle name.

In 1961, RWR began his transition to the gop, trashing Medicare.

" . . . Reagan, in word and deed, was actually FDR's true heir.

Reagan never explicitly claimed this, but his speeches and writings suggest that's exactly what he thought. He readily admitted he had voted for FDR four times and in 1982 wrote in his diary that he was trying to "undo the Great Society," not the New Deal. He always said that he had not left the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party had left him. He even quoted FDR directly in the 1964 television speech on behalf of Barry Goldwater that made him a national figure. . . . "

Reagan: FDR's True Heir | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com › articles › reagan_fdrs_true_heir_134354

 

[iguanaman]

" . . . Reagan, in word and deed, was actually FDR's true heir.

Reagan never explicitly claimed this, but his speeches and writings suggest that's exactly what he thought. He readily admitted he had voted for FDR four times and in 1982 wrote in his diary that he was trying to "undo the Great Society," not the New Deal. He always said that he had not left the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party had left him. He even quoted FDR directly in the 1964 television speech on behalf of Barry Goldwater that made him a national figure. . . . "

Reagan: FDR's True Heir | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com › articles › reagan_fdrs_true_heir_134354

Jul 2, 2017 - Common wisdom holds that Ronald Reagan, a devoted FDR acolyte during Roosevelt's life, became the most powerful opponent of his legacy ...

LOL Everyone voted for FDR...that's why he was elected 4 times. The fact is that Reagan's policies were the antithesis of FDR regardless of what he thought in his Alzheimers addled mind.

 

[Craig234]

Hillary was a safer pick than Sanders and got 3 million more votes than Trump. She lost the 3 Blue States by less than the number of Bernie supporters that voted for Trump. So if Bernie loses and I told you why he will it will mean that Bernie's supporters elected Trump TWICE. That is a hard pill for me to swallow and it will be difficult for me not to question their motives.

The fact that Hillary nearly won, doesn't make her a safer pick than Bernie. Bernie beat trump more than Hillary in every poll I know of and was the safer pick. It was the least popular Democratic nominee in history or the most popular politician in the country. Bernie didn't elect trump in 2016, Hillary's supporters did. And it's hard not to question their motives...

 

[Craig234]

4. Sanders is not a "Democrat." By his own admission he is a "Democratic Socialist."

He's both. "Democrat" is a party. "Democratic Socialist" is a supporter of economic policies.

 

[Jack Hays]

LOL Everyone voted for FDR...that's why he was elected 4 times. The fact is that Reagan's policies were the antithesis of FDR regardless of what he thought in his Alzheimers addled mind.

Your denial doesn't lead anywhere.

 

[iguanaman]

The fact that Hillary nearly won, doesn't make her a safer pick than Bernie. Bernie beat trump more than Hillary in every poll I know of and was the safer pick. It was the least popular Democratic nominee in history or the most popular politician in the country. Bernie didn't elect trump in 2016, Hillary's supporters did. And it's hard not to question their motives...

Again Trump and the Republicans have done nothing but treat Sander's with a kid glove, the most unhinged Trumpers on this board are even calling him the "savior of the Democratic Party" :lamo. That will change. And it won't be pretty. You are also wrong about Bernie supporters electing Trump....they did. It just shows how close 2016 was.

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof

 

[Craig234]

Again Trump and the Republicans have done nothing but treat Sander's with a kid glove, the most unhinged Trumpers on this board are even calling him the "savior of the Democratic Party" :lamo. That will change. And it won't be pretty.

I agree.

 

[Linc]

People forget that FDR's astounding popularity rose out of the Great Depression which he then used to profoundly remake America in the founders image instead of the oligarchy it had become. He was truly our greatest President and the Republicans have spent the last 70 years trying to make us forget that and it has worked far too well. One by one all the safeguards our predecessors gave us have been whittled away along with the great middle class they created.
But back to the topic. We are not in a depression and what the majority want is to restore sanity not create a new world.

The Bernie left still doesn’t realize that their third party votes or staying at home all CENTURY have destroyed the very things they’re angry about. They’ve given the gop the SCOTUS, meaning the gutting of the 14th amendment, voting rights, and civil rights. Every form of gerrymandering is now legal.

Citizens Divided was argued by McConnell in front of the Roberts Court. The Bernie left expects every Democrat to ignore that law, play elections with both hands tied behind their backs, and only the bernie way is allowed.

We’ve yet to see the real damage done by this Federal Judiciary, at all three levels. That will be engraved on McConnell’s grave stone. Leftist Dems laughed at GOPs who bragged after the Senate 2014 election that the GOP would rule the rest of the Century. They’re not laughing anymore.

 

[hermit]

Here's my problem with Bernie. What if he does win the Presidency? Yes, we'd have given Trump the boot, but what is the fallout from that? Bernie is no leader. For all the years and years that he's been in Congress, he has accomplished little. He is just a dreamer and an idealist who wants some imaginary revolution. He's all talk and little action, and people are buying into his hype. I believe Trump will squash him like a bug.

On the other hand, Amy Klobuchar has been "the most productive 2020 candidate in Congress." She is BUSY. She's the one with boots on the ground, getting things done. And yet, she is polling behind because the voters want another rock star for President. Amy is not a rock star TV show personality...she is a worker.

Amy Klobuchar has been the most productive 2020 candidate in Congress - Axios

Anyway, Bernie gets voted in and then we are stuck with him. Vote for Amy and Trump has nothing on her. Not enough to make people hate her.

 

[iguanaman]

Your denial doesn't lead anywhere.

OK Which of these Reagan "hallmarks" are not the opposite of what FDR would and/or did do?

Cutting taxes on the wealthy?

Union busting policies?

Deifying "job creators"?

"starving the beast"?

 

[iguanaman]

The Bernie left still doesn’t realize that their third party votes or staying at home all CENTURY have destroyed the very things they’re angry about. They’ve given the gop the SCOTUS, meaning the gutting of the 14th amendment, voting rights, and civil rights. Every form of gerrymandering is now legal.

Citizens Divided was argued by McConnell in front of the Roberts Court. The Bernie left expects every Democrat to ignore that law, play elections with both hands tied behind their backs, and only the bernie way is allowed.

We’ve yet to see the real damage done by this Federal Judiciary, at all three levels. That will be engraved on McConnell’s grave stone. Leftist Dems laughed at GOPs who bragged after the Senate 2014 election that the GOP would rule the rest of the Century. They’re not laughing anymore.

And the Bernie bot fools just keep tooting the same old horn like they were born yesterday....and many of them were. ::lol: All we need is wild eyed dreamer as President and we will be reborn overnight. If only it was that easy...and it did not play right into the hand of the scum that would like to imprison them. I looks like we gave Trump just what he wanted when he called Zelensky after all.

 

[Jack Hays]

OK Which of these Reagan "hallmarks" are not the opposite of what FDR would and/or did do?

Cutting taxes on the wealthy?

Union busting policies?

Deifying "job creators"?

"starving the beast"?

From the link in #152:

". . . Reagan never embraced that view. He told audiences in his early speeches that he wouldn't repeal most post-New Deal programs "at any price. They represented forward thinking on our part." He supported federal grants to states in the early 1960s before Medicare was adopted so that needy seniors could afford care. And in 1961 he said "any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him."
These were not mere words for him. When he inherited a budget crisis upon his becoming California governor, he pushed through a then-record tax hike rather than slash state programs. His 1971 welfare reform increased monthly checks an average of 43 percent: He called it "giving them a raise." And as president he increased taxes three times rather than attack entitlement spending. In each case he overcame strong opposition from hard-line conservatives, but Reagan always quietly derided such folk as "ultras" who would rather "jump off the cliff with flags flying" rather than compromise.

Reagan owed his political success to his unique "New Deal conservatism." Unlike more ideological anti-government types before and since, Reagan attracted enthusiastic support from blue-collar whites, people who became known as "Reagan Democrats." Conservative leaders from Barry Goldwater to Newt Gingrich to Mitt Romney have seen their hopes dashed on the rocky shores of these voters who have never preferred low taxes and liberty to a government that has their backs. Ronald Reagan succeeded where they failed precisely because this former fan of Roosevelt was singing from the same hymnal as were Roosevelt's worshipers. . . . "

 

[Linc]

Here's my problem with Bernie. What if he does win the Presidency? Yes, we'd have given Trump the boot, but what is the fallout from that? Bernie is no leader. For all the years and years that he's been in Congress, he has accomplished little. He is just a dreamer and an idealist who wants some imaginary revolution. He's all talk and little action, and people are buying into his hype. I believe Trump will squash him like a bug.

On the other hand, Amy Klobuchar has been "the most productive 2020 candidate in Congress." She is BUSY. She's the one with boots on the ground, getting things done. And yet, she is polling behind because the voters want another rock star for President. Amy is not a rock star TV show personality...she is a worker.

Amy Klobuchar has been the most productive 2020 candidate in Congress - Axios

Anyway, Bernie gets voted in and then we are stuck with him. Vote for Amy and Trump has nothing on her. Not enough to make people hate her.

Massachusetts, Vermont, even Ohio (with Brown) are all Senators with GOP governors. While Klobuchar won by 530,000 in MN in a DEM year, Minnesota is trending the the right. I don’t see any candidate who can win the Senate except the ticket in my signature.

Democrats need to SUE states that are abrogating their 17th amendment with temporaries and then special elections, especially Ohio, which doesn’t even have an election. I still find that to be Clinton’s greatest mistake, not taking Sherrod as VP.

 

[iguanaman]

From the link in #152:

". . . Reagan never embraced that view. He told audiences in his early speeches that he wouldn't repeal most post-New Deal programs "at any price. They represented forward thinking on our part." He supported federal grants to states in the early 1960s before Medicare was adopted so that needy seniors could afford care. And in 1961 he said "any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him."
These were not mere words for him. When he inherited a budget crisis upon his becoming California governor, he pushed through a then-record tax hike rather than slash state programs. His 1971 welfare reform increased monthly checks an average of 43 percent: He called it "giving them a raise." And as president he increased taxes three times rather than attack entitlement spending. In each case he overcame strong opposition from hard-line conservatives, but Reagan always quietly derided such folk as "ultras" who would rather "jump off the cliff with flags flying" rather than compromise.

Reagan owed his political success to his unique "New Deal conservatism." Unlike more ideological anti-government types before and since, Reagan attracted enthusiastic support from blue-collar whites, people who became known as "Reagan Democrats." Conservative leaders from Barry Goldwater to Newt Gingrich to Mitt Romney have seen their hopes dashed on the rocky shores of these voters who have never preferred low taxes and liberty to a government that has their backs. Ronald Reagan succeeded where they failed precisely because this former fan of Roosevelt was singing from the same hymnal as were Roosevelt's worshipers. . . . "

Yes he played a good game but like I said his policies belie what that piece claims. You know it too. No matter though since the GOP liked his reactionary tax policies so well they even forgive him for the hospital edict, amnesty for illegals and doubling the National Debt.

 

[Geoist]

I believe Trump will squash him like a bug.

Polls say different. He is one of the stronger candidates against Trump.

 

[Jack Hays]

Yes he played a good game but like I said his policies belie what that piece claims. You know it too. No matter though since the GOP liked his reactionary tax policies so well they even forgive him for the hospital edict, amnesty for illegals and doubling the National Debt.

Don't forget that FDR strongly opposed public sector unions.
And Reagan got Cold War victory for his debt, just as FDR got WW2 victory for his.

 

[SheWolf]

I supported him in 2016. I'm good with him as the nominee, but I want a nominee who can win.

I didn't support him before, but I am going to support him now.

 

[Linc]

And the Bernie bot fools just keep tooting the same old horn like they were born yesterday....and many of them were. ::lol: All we need is wild eyed dreamer as President and we will be reborn overnight. If only it was that easy...and it did not play right into the hand of the scum that would like to imprison them. I looks like we gave Trump just what he wanted when he called Zelensky after all.

trump pulled a nixon by getting rid of his toughest opponent, Biden. Nixon illegally rat****ed Muskie, Jackson, and HHH, but even Nixon didn’t go so far as to commit treason with a foreign country, even though he did commit treason during the 1968 election sabotaging the Paris peace talks.

So Nixon 1968 = trump 2016 and Nixon 1972 = trump 2020. This is so bad for Democrats that I’ve actually seen some Slanders’ Psychos gleefully enjoy trump’s fascist way of taking Biden out, to the point of using trump talking points against him.

Nixon’s dirty tricksters went to jail because his own party as well as the SCOTUS forced him out. At the very least, trump will pardon his entire crime syndicate, which may very well include Cabinet members, his lawyers, gop Senators and Representatives, while Moscow Mitch and the SCOTUS protects trump.

 

[Linc]

Polls say different. He is one of the stronger candidates against Trump.

Post clippers take posts out of context and admit they can’t defeat the rest of the post.

Sanders’ strength is like skating on thin ice. No one has attacked him. trump supports him.

Other DEM candidates are afraid of online Slanders’ Psychos as well as Sanders’ supporters not voting for them.

 

[Geoist]

Post clippers take posts out of context and admit they can’t defeat the rest of the post.

Think what you want to think if it makes you feel better. :yawn:

Sanders’ strength is like skating on thin ice. No one has attacked him.

Oh wow, do you really believe this?

trump supports him.

Alright, we're done here.

 

[Jack Hays]

Polls say different. He is one of the stronger candidates against Trump.

The nomination of Bernie Sanders virtually guarantees the reelection of Donald Trump, and likely leads to down ballot catastrophe for the Democrats.

 

[Geoist]

The nomination of Bernie Sanders virtually guarantees the reelection of Donald Trump, and likely leads to down ballot catastrophe for the Democrats.

Considering how well Sanders does in swing states, I disagree.

 

[Jack Hays]

Considering how well Sanders does in swing states, I disagree.

The game has not even begun.