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Republicans. Step up and explain to the rest of us how trump's decision to end a wind project helps anyone?

aociswundumho said:
He's 100% correct, too. Windmills are ugly and they do ruin the landscape and many people believe the trade-off isn't worth it and I'm one of them.
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Fossil fuels have enormous social and environmental costs.

www.imf.org

Fossil Fuel Subsidies Surged to Record $7 Trillion

Scaling back subsidies would reduce air pollution, generate revenue, and make a major contribution to slowing climate change
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Global Warming of 1.5 ºC —

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New Report: Nearly Half of People in U.S. Exposed to Dangerous Air Pollution Levels

American Lung Association’s 2025 “State of the Air” report finds that more people are exposed to unhealthy levels of air pollution
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Bergslagstroll said:
Rapid build out of wind and solar power all across the world. There also families and business in Republican states sees the benefits of renewable energy. While Republican politicians only care about the money they get from fossil fuel companies and fossil fuel dictatorships.
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Yes, but American rules say we can only use one (1) form of power generation, because we just love single failure point models.
 
You see people now don't have to worry that their energy is WOKE!
 
As everyone's electric bill goes up and up and up (due to Trump's policies on wind and natural gas) can you guys PLEASE keep this thread going?
 
aociswundumho said:
He's 100% correct, too. Windmills are ugly and they do ruin the landscape and many people believe the trade-off isn't worth it and I'm one of them.
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You're the worst "libertarian" I've ever encountered.

It's like you're not a libertarian at all.
 
Luce said:
Yes, but American rules say we can only use one (1) form of power generation, because we just love single failure point models.
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A transition away from fossil fuel will also lead to less opportunities for companies and countries to control and manipulate the market. So they will have less money buying politicians.


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US begins preparing Qatari jet to be used as Air Force One

The aircraft - valued at $400m - is being donated by Qatar as an "unconditional gift", with any retrofitting costs being borne by the US government.
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aociswundumho said:
He's 100% correct, too. Windmills are ugly and they do ruin the landscape and many people believe the trade-off isn't worth it and I'm one of them.
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Would you rather we drill baby drill and just keep polluting the earth? You know what else is ugly, trump, can we remove him?
 
CaughtInThe said:
You're the worst "libertarian" I've ever encountered.

It's like you're not a libertarian at all.
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He's just another disgruntled republican calling himself a libertarian or an independent but still will vote republican.
 
Jay59 said:
Why are you asking for Republicans in a forum where there aare none?


Windmills' lack of efficiency is also a well-known fact.


Why is there a problem with a obviously correct move?


It's sad that you think you speak for the majority of this country.
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You're a republican, you back everything the gop does and changing your affiliation to independent is nothing more than semantics for, I'm a republican.
 
bongsaway said:
He's just another disgruntled republican calling himself a libertarian or an independent but still will vote republican.
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There are Republicans who never want to take responsibility for Republican policy. A bunch of those guys just call themselves Libertarians because they don't have the guts to be held accountable for their votes.

And many of those people swear they never vote Republican while they do.
 
CaughtInThe said:
There are Republicans who never want to take responsibility for Republican policy. A bunch of those guys just call themselves Libertarians because they don't have the guts to be held accountable for their votes.

And many of those people swear they never vote Republican while they do.
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Amen. They say they didn't vote for Trump but their posts tell a different story. Would you constantly try to defend a person you didn't vote for? I wouldn't.
 
aociswundumho said:
He's 100% correct, too. Windmills are ugly and they do ruin the landscape and many people believe the trade-off isn't worth it and I'm one of them.
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Ugly is subjective, no?

I drive along I-70 and I-44 and see lots and lots of corn and soybean fields instead of good ol' unspoiled Missouri prairie or Ozark forests. And we're spraying fertilizer and pesticides on them that end up in our rivers and streams, but nobody complains about that.

And, boy howdy, you want to talk about subsidies....farmers? They got subsidies!!!

I happen to think that windmills are actually pretty cool looking and a break from looking at miles...and miles...and miles of nothing as I drive I-70 from mid-Mo to Denver.

In the name of national security, why wouldn't we - as a nation - develop alternative "green" energy sources?....especially ones that aren't a "commodity" that trades on WORLD MARKETS??

I mean if we want to be truly energy independent - including being insulated from world commodity markets that tend to "shock" our energy cost with sharp spikes and deep drops.

Let's free ourselves of what happens in Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, etc. OR, at least, make us less prone to what happens there.

Drilling MORE US oil and natural gas makes us MORE dependent on world oil prices and markets, not less so.

For example, look at what's happening right now in the Permian Basin....we've plateaued on new rigs and are pulling back on new oil rigs for lots of reason, but a main one is OPEC not being able to hold production targets and the per barrel price of oil in the $60 range means it's not worth it for Texas oil riggers/drillers to drill more.

Another reason? Trump's tariffs on steel which is needed to make drilling rigs, bits, etc. Cost going up, price going down....they're not getting the ROI that they need to.
 
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justoneman said:
And they have a relatively short service life and they are made of materials that we do not recycle and they kill birds at an alarming rate.
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Buildings kill birds at 10x the rate of turbines. Shall we get rid of buildings?

What about cats? They kill birds at 10x the rate of buildings. Shall we feed the cats to Haitians?
 
NJBob said:
Buildings kill birds at 10x the rate of turbines. Shall we get rid of buildings?

What about cats? They kill birds at 10x the rate of buildings. Shall we feed the cats to Haitians?
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We have spade and neuter programs and we can build sensible power alternatives to wind turbines.
 
bongsaway said:
Amen. They say they didn't vote for Trump but their posts tell a different story. Would you constantly try to defend a person you didn't vote for? I wouldn't.
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Especially when that person (Trump) has completely different views of what Libertarians have.

For example, The Libertarian platform wants free trade and for workers to be able to move across borders.
 
aociswundumho said:
He's 100% correct, too. Windmills are ugly and they do ruin the landscape and many people believe the trade-off isn't worth it and I'm one of them.
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Because you don’t care about the destruction of the environment.
 
aociswundumho said:
This is the government using our tax dollars to give one type of energy an advantage over the others. Why not let them all compete fairly in the open market? That's literally the most democratic way to decide the issue - let the people choose what works best.
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I agree. Tear up and destroy all government funded roads and see if cars really are favored over mass transit.
 
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