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Republicans once railed against deficits. President Trump's tax plan piles on more than $2 trillion

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Full Title: Republicans once railed against deficits. Now President Trump's tax plan piles on more than $2 trillion in red ink



5-6% economic growth per year would be so astounding that virtually all economists discount it entirely. So the question remains ... How can we afford the Trump tax cuts?

On Capitol Hill, GOP Representatives and Senators shrug their shoulders and ignore the $2 trillion dollar question. They need a legislative-political win today ... regardless of the cost to future generations.
 

Haven't you noticed? Deficits are only bad when the president is a Democrat.
 
Haven't you noticed? Deficits are only bad when the president is a Democrat.

Both parties are good at being deficit hawks...when it's not their guy in the WH.
 
Haven't you noticed? Deficits are only bad when the president is a Democrat.

I haven't heard Democrats "railing" against deficits. They do note them, especially when Republicans push tax cuts.
 
Democrats are the party of tax and spend. Republicans are the party of spend but don't tax. Predictable results. But they are the responsible ones.
 
Both parties are good at being deficit hawks...when it's not their guy in the WH.
Actually, the Democratic objection isn't so much to the deficits. It's pointing out:

1) The rank hypocrisy of the Republicans on this issue
2) How the proposed tax cuts favor the wealthy

Dems would be on board with quite a few of the reforms, if the benefits were more evenly distributed. Meanwhile, Republicans basically just want tax cuts for the rich. Even much of the anti-ACA moves are about attempts to repeal a tax imposed primarily on the wealthy to fund it.
 

I just don't want them to lie to people any more. They can't project 5% growth and say that revenues are actually going to go up. It's just a lie. Revenues go up every year. The important stat is revenue as a % of GDP. And historically revenue as a % of GDP is lower under eras of supply side.

Tax Cuts are an easy sell. People love money. But, why compound the situation with lies, because they can't rebut arguments from the left. It's flummoxing.

I also don't want them to cut taxes, tell the country revenues are actually going to climb. Say they are climbing during their period of congratulatory parties where they each consume a 10 lb choclate dove, and then point to the budget and say, "Well since our revenues are climbing from all these tax cuts, I guess we can't afford to fund programs for the poor any longer."

Doesn't that kind of take their own argument away from them. They can't claim rising revenues and no money for the poor.
 
Well, they can "say" anything. It just won't happen. Jared Bernstein has a good take on this.
 

The deficit argument is there too. It's one thing to run deficits when the nation is in an economic liquidity trap and unemployment is 10%. In that case, running a deficit stimulates the economy and promotes job growth (just as we saw.) It's different when the nation has 4.4% UE. Under that condition, ballooning the deficit and debt crowds out private borrowing, raises interest rates and hurts economic growth.
 
Both parties are good at being deficit hawks...when it's not their guy in the WH.

You are wrong, Dems will actually pay for things. There were taxes and other things in the ACA to make it more deficit neutral.

Reps refer to make believe land and wishes to make their bills and legislation not blow a hole in the budget.
 
You are wrong, Dems will actually pay for things. There were taxes and other things in the ACA to make it more deficit neutral.

Reps refer to make believe land and wishes to make their bills and legislation not blow a hole in the budget.

That doesn't say anything about what I said. I just find it amusing that when the President is a Dem, the Reps become deficit hawks, and vice versa when the President is a Republican.
 
That doesn't say anything about what I said. I just find it amusing that when the President is a Dem, the Reps become deficit hawks, and vice versa when the President is a Republican.

I don't think Dems are deficit hawks or even claim to be.

If you have a 2 trillion price tag on new legislation you'd better be able to defend why that amount is going to provide a benefit. It doesn't matter which party you are.
 
I don't think Dems are deficit hawks or even claim to be.

If you have a 2 trillion price tag on new legislation you'd better be able to defend why that amount is going to provide a benefit. It doesn't matter which party you are.

 
This is Congress's problem. They overspend more than 2 trillion every year. We collect 2 in taxes and spend 4. I'm all for starving the beast with tax cuts and force congress to start making meaningful spending reforms. Don't even waste your breath talking to me about tax cuts being irresponsible when you cry like a stuck pig when any kind of spending reform is suggested.

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We need to raise revenue by 690 Billion.

Then the economy will take off like a smooth airliner.

Anything else is foolishness.
 
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I tend to agree. But I think we can reduce federal government spending by 50% and end up with a better federal government. Nobody is working on spending less. The establishment are cowards and power hungry incompetents.
 

So, are you saying deficits are bad?
 
So, are you saying deficits are bad?

Back when Reaganomics was the buzzword there wasn't much debt so it could help the economy to borrow a little and deficit spend, but it turned into a continuous nightmare of always borrowing and never paying it back.
 

Rocket, I'm still not seeing the "deficit hawk" part you claim democrats are when republicans are in power. Bush promised to balance the budget. He did the opposite. President Obama tweaked him for doubling the national debt. "deficit hawks" told people we needed to cut spending in the worst recession since the depression, the Great Bush Recession. They also told us that the stimulus would cause "hyper inflation, dollar collapse, market to zero". And now the "deficit hawks" are fine with tax cuts which everybody except conservatives know will drive up deficits. That's something to be mocked.
 

So, are you saying deficits are bad?

Yello. Still no answer? Are you saying deficits are bad, or not?
 
Ain't that the truth.

Its not the truth. Its only the "truth" to people who want to believe "both sides do it" as an excuse to continue to vote republican. See above. There simply is no "both sides do it" concerning deficits. Republicans and the conservative media had conservatives foaming at the mouth that deficits would destroy America. You didn't give democrats credit for lowering the deficit because "they didn't talk about it". Now you sit quietly and 'la de da, both sides do it" as republicans are going to pass tax cuts. You're simply looking for any excuse to not give democrats credit and not hold republicans accountable.
 
Yello. Still no answer? Are you saying deficits are bad, or not?

I'll answer your pointless deflecting question. It depends. Now I've answered your question, answer mine. How do you rationalize your conservative masters having you foaming at the mouth about deficits the last 8 years and even in the worst recession since the depression, the Great Bush Recession, and now literally say "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, we're in power, let cut taxes and run up the deficits again"?
 
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