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Republicans need bigger tent

Do you think republicans will seriously consider opening up the republican party to minorities?

  • Need more info

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Yes, republicans will woo minorities

    Votes: 11 33.3%
  • No, mostly whites only

    Votes: 19 57.6%

  • Total voters
    33
  • Poll closed .
Another poster claimed that being against illegal immigration wasn't a reason for the margin between California Latinos and the California GOP. Was the reason for the margin between the California GOP and California Latinos that the California GOP refused to fund those illegal immigrants?

It was plain to everyone that Prop 187 was a green light to ask any kid or person that looked like a Mexican for papers. American Latinos are not stupid and they also understand why so many risk leaving home to come here. It was a racist prop that was rejected. We are not cruel here in California.
 
Trump saying the KKK (and ANTIFA, you always leave that out) are fine people is more a characteristic of Trump's libertarianism. Libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism. You, unwittingly, just pointed out that Trump can't be a fascist.

Is it fine with you that David Duke and the KKK are endorsing Trump?
 
Republicans have already opened up their tent. Trump is president, isn't he?
The reason why the Democratic Party has become more and more hyper-radical is because of Trump. Trump is a traditional democrat...Traditional democrats are now considered part of the GOP. I could guess the Democratic Party would look like a communist party after African-Americans move to the GOP? Dems would be 'centrist' communists, though. :roll:

Trump is a traditional democrat? The guy who insults immigrants and various groups in the US? The guy who goes soft on worker safety in his regulations? Who nominated a guy as Sec of Labor who cut the budget agency that fights child labor and trafficking by 2/3? The guy who said climate change was a Chinese hoax? The GOP is now democrat and wants to get rid of the ACA and ignore the Paris agreements?

And a hyper-radical democratic party nominates Joe Biden?

You should consider getting your political weather vane repaired.
 
Trump is a traditional democrat? The guy who insults immigrants and various groups in the US? The guy who goes soft on worker safety in his regulations? Who nominated a guy as Sec of Labor who cut the budget agency that fights child labor and trafficking by 2/3? The guy who said climate change was a Chinese hoax? The GOP is now democrat and wants to get rid of the ACA and ignore the Paris agreements?

And a hyper-radical democratic party nominates Joe Biden?

You should consider getting your political weather vane repaired.

Mebe you should examine the politics of Bill Clinton?
 
Sadly, their base won't allow it. I have always thought that they were a natural fit for the Republican Party: conservative, religious, family oriented. Too bad the Republicans really aren't all that any more.

I would point out: The Texas Republicans already did it. And if you went back half a century to 1959 and said "The Democrats should really dump the Dixiecrats in order to appeal the black voters" you would almost certainly be told the political junkies of the time that the Democrats' Northern working-class white and Southern good-old-boy base would never allow it. People change. Parties change.
 
It was plain to everyone that Prop 187 was a green light to ask any kid or person that looked like a Mexican for papers. American Latinos are not stupid and they also understand why so many risk leaving home to come here. It was a racist prop that was rejected. We are not cruel here in California.

This post you quoted was directed at another poster that said illegal immigration wasn't the cause of the gulf between the California GOP and California Latinos. Are you saying illegal immigration was a factor in that gulf?
 
This post you quoted was directed at another poster that said illegal immigration wasn't the cause of the gulf between the California GOP and California Latinos. Are you saying illegal immigration was a factor in that gulf?

Sorry, got mixed up. Yes, Latinos all have family or friends who are or were illegals. They get it. Some forget where they came from and become anti-immigration but most know the score. The dirty little secret is that we need them just as badly as they need us. My only gripe is population densities fueled by immigration. But I have no beef with illegals, they are very hard workers and good people just trying to survive.
 
That's because you think Lightfoot is a good mayor and the BLACK FEMALE mayor who doesn't prosecute murderers but goes after a coupe defending their home.

They are using their office for reparations against whitey.

"Goes after a couple defending their home"? Those idiots, especially the woman, assaulted people in the absence of any threats. People were marching to protest a mayor's action. Marching nonviolently. How did the marchers threaten their home? Were there neighbors of the two who also appeared with guns? Did the mayor come to the door with a gun? It seems the couple may have violated the law (brandishing and assault) and the demonstrators did not. Would you be ok with a couple pointing a gun at, say, a pro Trump march?

Look, simply put, the two overreacted stupidly and created a dangerous situation. If one of the demonstrators were armed, would you be ok with him having shot the woman who pointed her gun at him? She had her finger on the trigger, after all, and I think its a "stand your ground" state. They obviously should have known better and blew it big time, but one should not demand their heads, just some minimal time and a hefty fine. The gov says he would pardon them. Bad signal, Gov. Would you pardon someone who pointed a gun at you?
 
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Mebe you should examine the politics of Bill Clinton?

I have. Much has been written about him moving the party towards the center, aka being part of the "New Democrats."
 
I would point out: The Texas Republicans already did it. And if you went back half a century to 1959 and said "The Democrats should really dump the Dixiecrats in order to appeal the black voters" you would almost certainly be told the political junkies of the time that the Democrats' Northern working-class white and Southern good-old-boy base would never allow it. People change. Parties change.

I don't remember Texas Republicans cracking down on Mexicans before Trump.
 
Trump can't help that.

Yes he can. He could disavow them. Don't hold your breath for it. For some reason he is very attractive to white supremacists. I know you can't imagine why that could be.:roll:
 
"Goes after a couple defending their home"? Those idiots, especially the woman, assaulted people in the absence of any threats. People were marching to protest a mayor's action. Marching nonviolently. How did the marchers threaten their home? Were there neighbors of the two who also appeared with guns? Did the mayor come to the door with a gun? It seems the couple may have violated the law (brandishing and assault) and the demonstrators did not. Would you be ok with a couple pointing a gun at, say, a pro Trump march?

Look, simply put, the two overreacted stupidly and created a dangerous situation. If one of the demonstrators were armed, would you be ok with him having shot the woman who pointed her gun at him? She had her finger on the trigger, after all, and I think its a "stand your ground" state. They obviously should have known better and blew it big time, but one should not demand their heads, just some minimal time and a hefty fine. The gov says he would pardon them. Bad signal, Gov. Would you pardon someone who pointed a gun at you?

They broke down the gate and threatened the homeowners. STOP with the CNN spin.
 
The Republican Party of California has failed perennially to reach out the very socially and fiscally conservative Latino community in California and have left the Democrats to do so. Now, if California Latinos voted for Republicans at the same rate as Latinos do in Texas, California would not be a blue nor a purple state, but likely turn redder than Texas in a heartbeat. Whether it is out of genuine understanding and common interests, or cynical politicking, any political strategy of the Republican Party that is either explicitly or de facto exclusionary of minorities, especially Latinos, is utterly inane and deservedly doomed.

I think your analysis is wrong for several reasons.

1. A majority of Latinos in Texas typically do not vote for conservative candidates. For example, in 2018 Ted Cruz got just 25% or so of the Latino vote in Texas. Latinos in Texas are slightly less liberal than Latinos nationwide are, but they are still more liberal than white voters nationwide are in terms of their self identification and voting patterns.

2. Texas has remained red so far because Latinos there are less likely to vote. Texas is 38% Hispanic, but Latinos only make up 20% of their electorate in many elections.

3. Latinos in California are more liberal than Latinos nationwide. In California 39% of Latinos call themselves liberal, 30% moderate, and 30% conservative. They are more liberal than whites in California (which is saying something considering its California).

So even if Latinos in California voted more like Latinos in Texas, the state would still be a very blue state, just a little less blue than it is now.

Point being, that while the "white grievance" type politics prevelant with Trumpism and in many state and local Republican races is certainly costing the Republicans minority votes across the board, it's their ideology as well. Moderate Republican governors are often the most popular governors in the nation and have broad demographic appeal, but the party's base will not allow anyone that is center to center right to rise into national politics beyond just a handful of house seats. When you consider how far to the left the Democrats are moving in many areas, this is a missed opportunity for Republicans. If Republicans ran more moderate candidates like Charlie Baker, they would win in landslides and enjoy approval ratings not seen decades. Oddly enough, he consistently has the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country, and that is in liberal Massachussates - yet despite being to the right of any elected Democrate these days, Charlie Baker has his highest approval ratings among Democrats and Independents, with only 48% of Republicans there approving of the job he is doing (so the problem is largely with the base in terms of broadening Republican appeal - even in liberal Massachussates, a significant percentage of the GOP base wants Trumpism style white grievance politics).

Democrats could learn from this too. Bill Clinton and his "third way" style moderate politics resulted in him leaving office the most popular president since FDR, and that was despite the scandals.

At any rate, trying to appeal to Latinos by being more socially and fiscally conservative will only lose you more Latino votes. Most of them are not that conservative, and even if they have some socially conservative beliefs, unlike white evangelicals, it's not a big voting issue for them. If the GOP wants to win more minority votes, they need to move closer to the center. If they did, it would be all theirs as neither party has much of a presence there right now.
 
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So after Obama won his second term, republicans came together and decided that they had to open the republican party up to blacks and Hispanics. This was called the "republican autopsy".

That was all forgotten in 2016 when Trump won. Now that Trump is facing a historical loss against Joe Biden things will change.


Once Trump loses in November, do you think republicans will seriously consider opening up the republican party to minorities and women?

Actually, to me it was closed when Obama won...the birthers and tea party were disgusting and blatant in their racism. It hasn't been since W that the Republicans were willing to accept minorities.
 
So after Obama won his second term, republicans came together and decided that they had to open the republican party up to blacks and Hispanics. This was called the "republican autopsy".

That was all forgotten in 2016 when Trump won. Now that Trump is facing a historical loss against Joe Biden things will change.


Once Trump loses in November, do you think republicans will seriously consider opening up the republican party to minorities and women?

This is the same thing useless fake conservatives have been saying for decades. It is and has always been garbage.
 
So after Obama won his second term, republicans came together and decided that they had to open the republican party up to blacks and Hispanics. This was called the "republican autopsy".

That was all forgotten in 2016 when Trump won. Now that Trump is facing a historical loss against Joe Biden things will change.


Once Trump loses in November, do you think republicans will seriously consider opening up the republican party to minorities and women?

"Need to" and "are capable of"--big difference.

IMO, you cannot woo minorities while being the preferred Party of Nazis and Klansmen.
 
This is the same thing useless fake conservatives have been saying for decades. It is and has always been garbage.

Real conservatives are not Nazis. So, I understand the confusion.
 
There are left-leaning conservatives which I can't understand as conservative since they demand government intervention to satisfy their ideology. A left-leaning conservative is liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues?
In my view, there are no conservatives who are on the left for social issues. Spending is a lost cause without a majority in the house and super majority in the Senate.

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They broke down the gate and threatened the homeowners. STOP with the CNN spin.

Google it. Gate wasnt broken down. Local news (ksdk) sent a reporter. Gate may have been bent a bit, but protesters went through the other side. Jut saw a video of one person holding the gate open and people walking through it, both sides intact. Easy to find. And it appeared to me that it might have been hard for the couple to even know if the gate was broken from inside their house or even on their porch. One reporter found the damaged gate, but also no evidence that the protesters broke it, as it was intact before, during and after the demonstration. He speculated that the gate was damaged after the protests, but Bonnie and Clyde apparently didn't point their guns due to damage to the gate.

And again, 1- did other "terrified" homeowners come out and point guns at the demonstrators? (Apologies if theirs was the only household in the complex.) 2- what did the couple accomplish other than making fools of themselves and possibly committing the crimes of menacing and assault? The fact that he was a lawyer and should have known better makes it worse, but if a prosecutor, I would send a message but ultimately go easy on them. Being morons shouldn't carry too heavy a penalty. The fact that the governor has said he would pardon them beforehand is frightening, however. (From Trump, the champion of war crimes, one can expect this.) Bet the Gov is a "law and order" guy. Such people are often selective about the laws they want obeyed.

But my question remains unanswered: would a demonstrator facing Ma Barker with her gun pointed at him and finger on the trigger have been justified in killing her with his own gun?
 
The GOP is open to everyone and 2016 proved it; 2020 will reiterate it
 
Google it. Gate wasnt broken down. Local news (ksdk) sent a reporter. Gate may have been bent a bit, but protesters went through the other side. Jut saw a video of one person holding the gate open and people walking through it, both sides intact. Easy to find. And it appeared to me that it might have been hard for the couple to even know if the gate was broken from inside their house or even on their porch. One reporter found the damaged gate, but also no evidence that the protesters broke it, as it was intact before, during and after the demonstration. He speculated that the gate was damaged after the protests, but Bonnie and Clyde apparently didn't point their guns due to damage to the gate.

And again, 1- did other "terrified" homeowners come out and point guns at the demonstrators? (Apologies if theirs was the only household in the complex.) 2- what did the couple accomplish other than making fools of themselves and possibly committing the crimes of menacing and assault? The fact that he was a lawyer and should have known better makes it worse, but if a prosecutor, I would send a message but ultimately go easy on them. Being morons shouldn't carry too heavy a penalty. The fact that the governor has said he would pardon them beforehand is frightening, however. (From Trump, the champion of war crimes, one can expect this.) Bet the Gov is a "law and order" guy. Such people are often selective about the laws they want obeyed.

But my question remains unanswered: would a demonstrator facing Ma Barker with her gun pointed at him and finger on the trigger have been justified in killing her with his own gun?

The gate was compromised. The fact that there is a gate at all means the thugs knew they had no business in that gated community. They threatened the owner. He has a right to protect his house from looters and murderers.

I hope there is no pardon and it goes all the way to the Supreme Court so this black leftist female is slapped down bigly.
 
The gate was compromised. The fact that there is a gate at all means the thugs knew they had no business in that gated community. They threatened the owner. He has a right to protect his house from looters and murderers.

I hope there is no pardon and it goes all the way to the Supreme Court so this black leftist female is slapped down bigly.

There is a film of someone gently opening the gate and people going through. What's your point? I didn't see a "No Trespassing" sign (was there one?) nor an order by the police to disperse, though the couple called the police. I know people who live in gated communities, visit them often, and they either have a call box or a security guard who lifts a barricade. I assume there was none of that there. I may be wrong about this, but as I understand it, there were no threats from either side until things got heated. And I didn't know the crowd looted and murdered. Who'd they kill? Anyway, what would have happened if instead of coming out with guns the couple did nothing? What was the woman hoping to accomplish by pointing a weapon at someone with her finger on or near the trigger? They weren't the target of the protest. There's was an extreme version of "get off my lawn" but the protesters weren't on their property when the guy began shouting at them, according to the St Louis Post-Dispatch. You haven't answered whether someone in the crowd would have been justified in shooting the woman who pointed a gun at him or her.

I lived on a street where protesters would march by. Why would I go out to greet them with a gun unless I was their target and they were armed? The couple probably committed crimes in what they did, which doesn't seem to bother you. Would you feel the same way if armed black homeowners pointed weapons at white supremacists marching by to complain about a mayor's actions? By the way, who is the "black leftist female"?
 
Unless you're a woman. In which case, they know more than you do about how to live your life.

Your body is not the only issue on the table for your alluded to topic. Although some vote as if it is. The women who think that the growing life inside of them has no rights whatsoever will never willingly join the R party. Never.

Even if they were to come over, bringing pro-choice voters into the R party would just drive pro-life voters out. This is not a winning strategy. From a voting standpoint this is just a waste of time and resources for R's to attempt to recruit such people.
 
That's because you think Lightfoot is a good mayor and the BLACK FEMALE mayor who doesn't prosecute murderers but goes after a coupe defending their home.

They are using their office for reparations against whitey.

That pretty much sets the baseline of just how far Republicans have to go to maintain political relevancy with the changing demographics of America. I guess they will just have to absorb the pain of a few spankings before they wake up.

I voted "yes" because it is inevitable that Republicans will eventually have to face what they refuse to face. Older white males is not a big enough base to hold or regain the White House. That will not happen this year, but its likely to be the first of several political spankings. By the middle of the decade they will finally get it.
 
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