No, not every Republican, just the ones who still support the neo/con perversion of the real conservatism that the Republicans once stood for.t125eagle said:so, your basically saying that anyone who is a republican is as dumb as a brick, is racist and loves to kill people, not to mention likes to steal everyone's money and lie to them.
The evidence has been presented so widely at this point that if you can't see it then you are unfortunately one of the bamboozled idiots I was talking about.t125eagle said:where is your evidence?? proof? that is what is lacking. you can talk and yell till you are blue in the face, but where is the evidence? these attacks seem baseless to me.
Saddam did not "kill millions", unless you count all the Iraqi and Iranian soldiers who died their war (1980-88). Stop watching FauxNews and try to get a grip on reality. Actually, since Bush dropped the ball, Osama Bin Laden does seem to have free run of the world. Exactly how do you imagine that we as Americans are better off for having invaded Iraq?t125eagle said:also, what would you have proposed? let Saddam Hussein stay in power and kill millions more innocent people? let Osama Bin Ladin have free run of the world? i am not attacking anyone's party or believes, just posing hypotheticals.
livefree said:Stop watching FauxNews and try to get a grip on reality.
livefree said:Actually, since Bush dropped the ball, Osama Bin Laden does seem to have free run of the world.
livefree said:No, not every Republican, just the ones who still support the neo/con perversion of the real conservatism that the Republicans once stood for.
At this point in time, neo/con pretty much equals wacko, Armageddon-loving neo/fascist.AK_Conservative said:What is a neocon?
You've made 10 posts and have made enemies already? I wonder what your next move is? SO HOW WOULD YOU RUN THE COUNTRY MR ELITEIST?livefree said:At this point in time, neo/con pretty much equals wacko, Armageddon-loving neo/fascist.
I can get along with some old school conservatives who believe in fiscal responsibility, good stewardship of the land, concern for coming generations, keeping the government out of people's private business, good educational systems, and respect for international law and humanitarian standards. Unfortunately these people lost control of their party to corporate stooges with a hidden agenda, and loony faux-Christian power junkies.
And I suppose, to you, "doing something right" is the same as 'getting it right'? The Chinese Communist central TV news has more viewers than FauxNews. Does that mean that they're telling the truth? I'm sure Herr Goebels' radio broadcasts had the best ratings in Germany (at the beginning of the war, anyway).The Real McCoy said:Fox News has more viewers than all the other cable news networks combined, they must be doing something (no pun intended) right.
ACTUALLY, Bin Laden has been laying the groundwork for the next big retaliatory attack on American cities. It won't look like much 'till it happens but when it does, it's going to worse than we can imagine. Osama figures that the USA has caused the death of 2 or 3 million Muslims and he wants to balance the books. He did offer peace if we would stop attacking Muslims. He laid out his case against America before the world right before the last election but then said they wouldn't attack us again if we didn't attack them. Two days later Bush was re-elected (sort of) and immediately launched the massive attack that leveled Fallujah. When we here in the US suffer some massive counter-attack that destroys several cities at the same time, very few people in the world will have much sympathy for us.The Real McCoy said:ACTUALLY, bin Laden pretty much had free run of the world during the Clinton administration. He hasn't been up to much at all after 9-11.
livefree said:The current divide in this country seems to lie mostly between those who are smart enough to understand the complexities of the world situation and see thru the lies and propaganda, and those who are too stupid, foolish and prejudiced to understand anything but slogans and spin-room talking-points.
Enemies, smemenies. Are you here to debate or to make friends?stsburns said:You've made 10 posts and have made enemies already?
Enemies, we need enemines!!!!!!-Warhammer Chaos /sarcasmlivefree said:Enemies, smemenies. Are you here to debate or to make friends?
This explains it a little more fully.AK_Conservative said:What is a neocon?
livefree said:Enemies, smemenies. Are you here to debate or to make friends?
Cool. But this place is called "Debate Politics". I think you're looking for 'friendster.com'.Comrade Brian said:Friends.....
livefree said:And I suppose, to you, "doing something right" is the same as 'getting it right'? The Chinese Communist central TV news has more viewers than FauxNews. Does that mean that they're telling the truth? I'm sure Herr Goebels' radio broadcasts had the best ratings in Germany (at the beginning of the war, anyway).
livefree said:ACTUALLY, Bin Laden has been laying the groundwork for the next big retaliatory attack on American cities. It won't look like much 'till it happens but when it does, it's going to worse than we can imagine.
livefree said:Osama figures that the USA has caused the death of 2 or 3 million Muslims and he wants to balance the books. He did offer peace if we would stop attacking Muslims. He laid out his case against America before the world right before the last election but then said they wouldn't attack us again if we didn't attack them. Two days later Bush was re-elected (sort of) and immediately launched the massive attack that leveled Fallujah. When we here in the US suffer some massive counter-attack that destroys several cities at the same time, very few people in the world will have much sympathy for us.
"How the hell are a few guys with box-cutters going to bring down one of the tallest buildings in the world? Ridiculous!!!"The Real McCoy said:How the HELL is bin Laden going to destroy several U.S. cities?! You give him WAY too much credit.
Your proof is?livefree said:"How the hell are a few guys with box-cutters going to bring down one of the tallest buildings in the world? Ridiculous!!!"
livefree said:"How the hell are a few guys with box-cutters going to bring down one of the tallest buildings in the world? Ridiculous!!!"
livefree said:Stop watching FauxNews and try to get a grip on reality.
The Real McCoy said:Fox News has more viewers than all the other cable news networks combined, they must be doing something right.
livefree said:And I suppose, to you, "doing something right" is the same as 'getting it right'? The Chinese Communist central TV news has more viewers than FauxNews. Does that mean that they're telling the truth? I'm sure Herr Goebels' radio broadcasts had the best ratings in Germany (at the beginning of the war, anyway).
Your inability to comprehend logic is mindboggling. You assert that just because FauxNews has (at this point in time) more viewers than other cable news channels, then "they must be doing something right". I point out some basic fallacies in that argument by mentioning that ChiCom TV has even more viewers than Faux and that Nazi propaganda shows had great ratings at one time. I'll spell that out for you since you seem to be having some difficulty understanding it. Ratings have no direct correspondence to the accuracy and truth of what is being said. Even more important though was the distinction I drew between 'doing something right', which could just mean better advertising or a livelier format or something, and 'getting it right', which means responsible journalism that actually reports the news in a balanced way rather than the constant spin, distortions, one-sided presentations, outright lies and total disregard for the truth that characterizes FauxNews.The Real McCoy said:Your logic is mindboggling. First of all, China has over 4 times the population of the U.S. and secondly, their media is state controlled unlike here in the good old U.S. where we actually have freedom of the press and privately owned television netwokrs.
livefree said:Your inability to comprehend logic is mindboggling. You assert that just because FauxNews has (at this point in time) more viewers than other cable news channels, then "they must be doing something right". I point out some basic fallacies in that argument by mentioning that ChiCom TV has even more viewers than Faux and that Nazi propaganda shows had great ratings at one time. I'll spell that out for you since you seem to be having some difficulty understanding it. Ratings have no direct correspondence to the accuracy and truth of what is being said. Even more important though was the distinction I drew between 'doing something right', which could just mean better advertising or a livelier format or something, and 'getting it right', which means responsible journalism that actually reports the news in a balanced way rather than the constant spin, distortions, one-sided presentations, outright lies and total disregard for the truth that characterizes FauxNews.
t125eagle said:what would you have proposed? let Osama Bin Ladin have free run of the world?
livefree said:Actually, since Bush dropped the ball, Osama Bin Laden does seem to have free run of the world.
The Real McCoy said:ACTUALLY, bin Laden pretty much had free run of the world during the Clinton administration. He hasn't been up to much at all after 9-11.
livefree said:ACTUALLY, Bin Laden has been laying the groundwork for the next big retaliatory attack on American cities. It won't look like much 'till it happens but when it does, it's going to worse than we can imagine. Osama figures that the USA has caused the death of 2 or 3 million Muslims and he wants to balance the books. He did offer peace if we would stop attacking Muslims. He laid out his case against America before the world right before the last election but then said they wouldn't attack us again if we didn't attack them. Two days later Bush was re-elected (sort of) and immediately launched the massive attack that leveled Fallujah. When we here in the US suffer some massive counter-attack that destroys several cities at the same time, very few people in the world will have much sympathy for us.
The Real McCoy said:How the HELL is bin Laden going to destroy several U.S. cities?! You give him WAY too much credit.
livefree said:"How the hell are a few guys with box-cutters going to bring down one of the tallest buildings in the world? Ridiculous!!!"
Since you seem totally clueless as to what is going on here, I'm offering these clues for your education and edification.The Real McCoy said:Well, first they received pilot training. Then, they boarded planes, infiltrated the cockpits, did away with the pilots, took control of the aircraft and flew them into the World Trade Center towers.
livefree said:Since you seem totally clueless as to what is going on here, I'm offering these clues for your education and edification.
irony • noun 1. The expression of meaning through the use of language which normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous effect. 2. A sort of humor, ridicule, or light sarcasm, which adopts a mode of speech the meaning of which is contrary to the literal sense of the words.
sarcasm - noun 1. remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride. 2. the use of irony to mock or convey contempt. 3. the use of remarks which clearly mean the opposite of what they say, and which are made in order to criticize something in an amusing way:
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