While there are those who feel the Republicans should get their act together the American people decided to vote for more debt, economic lethargy, an uncertain foreign policy and class warfare.
I don't feel this is the fault of the Democrats or the Republicans. It is the present generation of the American people who are to blame for this mess, and their reelection of someone like Barrack Obama only underscores that point.
I had actually hoped with the 2010 midterms the Republicans had found their method of solidifying the disparate groups by having a unified message focusing primarily on fiscal and governmental conservatism. It's the portoin of the platform that generally most of the various groups within the base like to some degree and is least objectable to any particular group. This is different from the Defense and Social aspects of the platform that appeal more heavily to some parts of the base but act as a deterrent for other parts of the base when it's focused on.
I do'nt think it's an argument of moderate vs extreme. I think the idiotic "War on Women" meme and comments on rape that some of the candidates made and similar type things were more damaging then the notion of not raising taxes and cutting spending.
I think its the fault of democrats and republicans, who are the american people after all. They no longer stand for ideas or principles, just games and power.
Americans just voted for the biggest spender and borrower in their history when there were alternatives available. They brought it on themselves.
Other countries had to learn the hard way but each country seems to believe they can do socialism better than the other countries which have failed. It just repeats itself everywhere, like any shell game. Only the politicians and big business benefit.
Which alternatives?Americans just voted for the biggest spender and borrower in their history when there were alternatives available.
The AP article here is but one example of "op-ed journalism".... This shouldn't be carried in Breaking news, but in Opinions....But beyond that, The GOP needs to get back to basics, and move away from the practices of being more like democrats, and instead start moving on principle again.
I expect/hope that 2014 ends the conservative,tea bagger debates and that both factions become history book subjects
The problem Zyph is that the ultra right-wing evangelical base of the party cares more about the social agenda than they do about anything else. They are killing the GOP from expanding outside the ultra-conservative base. Unless the GOP finds a way to neutralize them or cuts ties with them, the GOP cannot attract the moderates and independents necessary to win a national election.
Which alternatives?
This Romney? “Cut taxes”, AKA lower revenue, Romney?Romney, for one,
Hey, I bought that line! I thought he might have some executive skills. Turns out Mr. Business could not manage himself out of a wet paper bag.was a far better alternative because he had business experience and had spent much of his career turning distressed companies around, and no one can make the claim that the US is not distressed.
…by vetoing the crap out stuff the Legislature sent his way, relying on the Legislature to then Super Majority overrule him, and having the fortune of the country’s economy cycling up underneath him.He also demonstrated as Governor that he could get spending under control and work with the opposition.
This Romney? “Cut taxes”, AKA lower revenue, Romney?
He was not going to be balancing anything anytime soon.
It demonstartes that he understood the importance of deficit redcution whereas poor Obama didn;t have a clue. And still doesn't. If BHO deliberately intended to destroy America he would continue doing exactly what he is doing.His earlier promises of how fast the deficit was going to drop were inline with CBO already current predictions . Towards the end of the campaign he was then pushing out the window of deficit reduction even further!
Hey, I bought that line! I thought he might have some executive skills. Turns out Mr. Business could not manage himself out of a wet paper bag.
Ok, so cronyism was an issue.. Still, not getting the job done running a campaign? That is a piss-poor option for someone to run the Executive Branch of the country.
Maybe he had some skills in the past. Maybe it wasn’t largely due to connections via lineage. But whatever he had appears to have seriously waned.
…by vetoing the crap out stuff the Legislature sent his way, relying on the Legislature to then Super Majority overrule him, and having the fortune of the country’s economy cycling up underneath him.
But so he had that, except he was running as hard as he could away from it.
I'm kind of interested to see where the GOP ends up in 2014. It's clearly being torn between those who want it to be more moderate and those who want to be more extreme, so it's pretty unclear, to me at least, which way the party leaders will take it. It's funny because after the election, I saw two main responses to Romney's loss from those who voted for him. The first: "This election shows that we need to get more like the Tea Party." The second: "This election shows that we need to get rid of the Tea Party elements." It's amazing to me how GOP voters could come to two completely contradictory conclusions and that signals a real problem for the party leaders because I'm not sure that it can afford to lose either group.
In addition to that particular internal conflict, there is also an internal conflict over how to present the conservative point of view. The election was filled with insults against women, minorities, the poor and other groups. Such insults clearly worked against the GOP when it came to votes. Now, several months after the election, I see a lot of the same insults coming from the GOP constituency and a lot of the same insensitivity coming from party leaders. In other words, a lot of GOP voters/potential voters are still using insulting language and behavior against the people whose votes they need. However, there are also some GOP leaders who have specifically denounced such language and behavior.
In short, there are at least two huge conflicts within the COP: the conflict over where to take policy and the conflict over how to present their point of view. As far as I can tell, there are two main sides in these conflicts: those who favor a more tempered GOP and those who favor a more insolent GOP. I wonder who will win.
I am one of those silly people that do math. Why do you think Ryan wouldn’t spit out numbers when pressed on it? Either it was going to translate into lower revenue and/or transfer a higher percentage of the tax load to the middle of the income band. Smart money was on both.You must be one of those who believes that higher taxes create higher revenue for the government, and thus the people, and we are therefor better off than with lower taxes rates. What do you think would be an ideal tax rate? 60% 75% 99%?
First, same non-partisan site. It is a technical site. OK, so it is a somewhat libertarian leaning site and has a readin‘ and ‘riting bias. But the staff does indeed span the political parties and it does not really play Team Red, Team Blue favorites.And you feel that this effects the history of the man's successes? Is that an issue on which you would base your vote? Same site and same silliness. is this an issue on which you would place your vote?
Compared to what, GW Bush’s approval numbers at the end of his presidency?He had a very high approval rating as governor
Indeed, why would he? Which he did. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.Why would he run away from a record that included the creation of thousands of jobs?
4 years in the big chair, turning around a hellva tough situation. *shrug* Before he was elected, though? His poise, compared to McCain, while the economy was in the midst of imploding. Is that a resounding, cannot miss thing to go by? *shrug* Not really but that is a thing with elections. They are not made-to-order affairs, they are more like sifting through the bargain bin on Dec 26th.What record does Obama have that would ever suggest he is presidential material?
Oh, say no more. I was wrong. You leaving the GOP means the GOP is certainly done for.
Er, I think the GOP has other problems besides one person leaving! :mrgreen:
More accurate to say it was a “synonym for Mom & apple pie” cloak that was initially used by a number that were largely somewhere in the fiscal conservative vein harnessing and stoking a vague outrage but then quickly co-opted, as vague outrage movements seem want to be co-opted (e.g. see OWS), and diverged and bent into this, that, and a number of different things.”Tea Party” is simply a synonym for “fiscal conservative,"
I am one of those silly people that do math. Why do you think Ryan wouldn’t spit out numbers when pressed on it? Either it was going to translate into lower revenue and/or transfer a higher percentage of the tax load to the middle of the income band. Smart money was on both.
Here is some poking through numbers (note, not by Huffington or RedState or some other total partisan hack).
Who's tax plan is really better for deficit/debt reduction? Let's talk numbers. - Business Insider
First, same non-partisan site. It is a technical site. OK, so it is a somewhat libertarian leaning site and has a readin‘ and ‘riting bias. But the staff does indeed span the political parties and it does not really play Team Red, Team Blue favorites.
Second, it is not “silliness”. Cannot run a campaign but wants to run the country? Holy crap on a stick, no. Thousand times no.
Third, that all came out after the elections. Less decision making, more “whew, I guess we dodge a worse bullet than I thought R&R were”.
Compared to what, GW Bush’s approval numbers at the end of his presidency?
Romney Ended Governorship with 34% Approval Rating | Veracity Stew
Indeed, why would he? Which he did. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.
4 years in the big chair, turning around a hellva tough situation. *shrug* Before he was elected, though? His poise, compared to McCain, while the economy was in the midst of imploding. Is that a resounding, cannot miss thing to go by? *shrug* Not really but that is a thing with elections. They are not made-to-order affairs, they are more like sifting through the bargain bin on Dec 26th.
Er, I think the GOP has other problems besides one person leaving! :mrgreen:
Do party politics come before the country?
I think the correct person to ask this would be a Mitch McConnell.
Except I didn't ask Mitch McConnell because he's not part of this DP Board. i asked you.
If you don't know the answer it's okay.
No you didn't. You asked mertex... then made this dodge post I'm quoting.
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