Republican calls to impeach Biden grow following release of FBI document detailing bribery allegations

[eohrnberger]

No, I haven't missed that part. In fact, I can agree that Hunter was very likely tipped-off ahead of a search warrant being served. As for why that line of questioning concering Pres. Biden was denied, there are two likely reasons for that - one obvious, the other not so much so:

1. (The "not so obvious" reason) Pres. Biden isn't subject under investigation; his son is. The only reason Pres. Biden is part of any of this is because Hunter is his son and partisans are trying very hard to make a legitimate connection between his son's criminal wrong-doing, i.e., tax evasion, and the father, "the accomplice".

2. Even if evidence was found that connected the father to the son, the Office of Legal Council (as reinforced by the Russia investigation) has long held that you cannot indict a sitting president. So, regardless of whether or not Joseph R. Biden had a hand in his son's criminal activity, there's nothing the DoJ could have done no matter what this IRA whistleblower had revealed against him. (Besides, his testimony likely would have been dismissed as speculative or hearsay anyway.)

Never mind for a moment that with what's been made public, it's very likely that Ol' Joe was part and parcel with Hunter's foreign money sources from day one.

You've staked a lot on the parent / son thing, when my point has nothing to do with that, and is specific to DOJ / FBI oversight in Hunter's case. Are you ignoring that?

 

[Objective Voice]

Never mind for a moment that with what's been made public, it's very likely that Ol' Joe was part and parcel with Hunter's foreign money sources from day one.

You've staked a lot on the parent / son thing, when my point has nothing to do with that, and is specific to DOJ / FBI oversight in Hunter's case. Are you ignoring that?

No, not at all. However, I must correct you in one aspect: The DoJ/FBI doesn't have oversight authority here. They have investigative and prosecutorial authority. Oversight implies a review/management element. Such doesn't apply in a policing situation. But I take your meaning. Nonetheless, the FBI/DoJ has done its job (to date) whether one believes evidence was suppressed or not. Should the GOP-led House discover any new "evidence" that can stick in a court of law, I'm here...

 

[eohrnberger]

No, not at all. However, I must correct you in one aspect: The DoJ/FBI doesn't have oversight authority here.

No, of course not. The congressional oversight committees have oversight over the DOJ / FBI. If my post wasn't clear on that, I apologize.

They have investigative and prosecutorial authority. Oversight implies a review/management element. Such doesn't apply in a policing situation. But I take your meaning. Nonetheless, the FBI/DoJ has done its job (to date) whether one believes evidence was suppressed or not. Should the GOP-led House discover any new "evidence" that can stick in a court of law, I'm here...

 

[Paradoxical]

Seems odd the Republicans keep showing Hunter dick pics instead of these incriminating bank records

Oh well

I’m sure there’s a perfectly good reason

He is a dick.

 

[Paradoxical]

Which prosecutor did Pres. Biden fire?

Or are you referring to Ruslan Ryaboshapka, the former Ukrainian Prosecutor General who alleges he was fired because he refused to investigate President Biden’s son, Hunter Biden (at the request of Rudy Giuliani and former President Trump no less). Need it be pointed out that then VP Biden can't fire anyone who doesn't work for him, in this case the prosecutor of a foreign government? (I mean, really...do better.)

Source: The Hill.com, "Former Ukrainian prosecutor says he was fired for not investigating Hunter Biden: report"

I can't respond to a post that lacks a grasp of the details.

 

[trixare4kids]

Meh, because he has nothing to share regarding that or because he probably has his own skeletons? Never heard of him anywa. But if he's so important, the FBI would have cracked him by now. And like Trump associates, he'd probably sing like a bird and take a plea deal.

Drag up all the obscure names you want, but until you can show us they've done what you think they've done, it's just more fantasizing.

Wait.
Seriously, you've never heard of Devon Archer?

 

[uptower]

Wait.
Seriously, you've never heard of Devon Archer?

Well yeah, I might have heard the name, but otherwise, nada.

I don't follow all the right wing conspiracy sites. Some of these 'big names' in circles that subscribe to all the Burisma legends are nobodies to the rest of us.

At least till they come out with something concrete. Then I guess you all get to say told you so but till then, like the names on the Clinton Body Trail - they're just buzzwords, shibboleths, hollow whataboutisms.

All we need to know is what is Joe Biden accused of, who's accusing him, do they have any actual evidence? The rest is just noise.

 

[trixare4kids]

Well yeah, I might have heard the name, but otherwise, nada.

I don't follow all the right wing conspiracy sites. Some of these 'big names' in circles that subscribe to all the Burisma legends are nobodies to the rest of us.

At least till they come out with something concrete. Then I guess you all get to say told you so but till then, like the names on the Clinton Body Trail - they're just buzzwords, shibboleths, hollow whataboutisms.

All we need to know is what is Joe Biden accused of, who's accusing him, do they have any actual evidence? The rest is just noise.

I'll just leave this here for you.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/fd_1023_obtained_by_senator_grassley_-_biden.pdf

 

[uptower]

I'll just leave this here for you.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/fd_1023_obtained_by_senator_grassley_-_biden.pdf

Once again you guys don't seem to know the difference between allegations and evidence. This is just the same old shit, repeated to an FBI agent, who duly noted it down. that's all. It carries little more weight than any of us retyping it here.

If they don't bother to follow it up it's not a conspiracy - it's because either the claims lack substance, or the source lacks credibility or likely both.

 

[Sue Sponte]

If they can do this to Biden, and election workers, and sexual assault victims, and civil jurors, and grand jurors, and pregnant children, and gay people, and entertainment companies, and beer cans….

They can do it to you.

 

[snakestretcher]

Goodness. Don't they report current events in England?
There is a public record, and in this case, it's called verifiable and reliable expert whistleblower testimony. Keep up.

What 'testimony'? Did you hear what was said; have transcripts been made available, arrests made, indictments lodged?

 

[snakestretcher]

I'm no way near the seven year mark of you guys "getting" Trump. Patience grasshopper. I expect to see Biden's election team working out a deal where he drops out and gives his support for another in exchange for a full pardon should the democrats win the WH in 2024.

Keep wishing.

 

[Overitall]

Keep wishing.

Not a wish at all. I'm just speculating based on the direction many legislators are moving in, now that the whistleblowers have come forward.

 

[Michael Cole]

Oh sure, and they all took five million dollar bribes too. The fact remains, Pops, is responsible for Shokin's firing and taking a bribe.

'Cause you say so?

Shokin resigned. His resignation was accepted by a vote of the Ukranian Parliament THREE MONTHS AFTER BIDEN VISITED UKRAINE.

Facts. Reality. Good for you. Better than vitamins.

Indeed.

You're so incredibly wrong.

 

[Michael Cole]

The investigation is just getting started.

By this time in the first impeachment, three months had passed since the Senate vote.

This isn't an investigation. It's a game. And, apparently, you are the mark. Sad.

You can almost smell the trepidation in the Bidens. I expect more cocaine to turn up in a place Hunter has access to.

@snakestretcher has it goin' on, but a little known fact is that Barbie was filmed partially at my house. Margot is calling...gotta go.

 

[Overitall]

By this time in the first impeachment, three months had passed since the Senate vote.

This isn't an investigation. It's a game. And, apparently, you are the mark. Sad.


@snakestretcher has it goin' on,

He's so far removed from reality it takes all I've got to even bother responding to his delusions. Speaking of delutions . . .

but a little known fact is that Barbie was filmed partially at my house. Margot is calling...gotta go.

. . . your imagination won't get you any closer to winning a audience with Margot.

 

[Michael Cole]

He's so far removed from reality it takes all I've got to even bother responding to his delusions. Speaking of delutions . . .

. . . your imagination won't get you any closer to winning a audience with Margot.

This is one confused post.

Start to finish, from whistleblower to Senate vote, four months. That's my point which so thoroughly destroys your "the investigation is just getting started" nonsense.

How long has it been? January...February...March...I count seven months.

Again, by this time in the first impeachment, three months had passed since the Senate vote.

Take your time. I'm not trying to stump you. Just presenting facts.

Margot Robbie is married. I don't do married women. It's a joke.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Shokin was the only one to criminally investigate Burisma. That’s why Burisma wanted him gone and the criminal investigation snuffed out. And they got what they paid for.

That's not what happened at all.

 

[Overitall]

This is one confused post.

Start to finish, from whistleblower to Senate vote, four months. That's my point which so thoroughly destroys your "the investigation is just getting started" delusion.

How long has it been? January...February...March...I count seven months.

The dragging feet of the FBI and DOJ is the reasons for the delays. Indicting a whistleblower is meant to intimidate him from testifying.

US says missing GOP whistleblower is arms trafficker, Chinese agent

Gal Luft, a high-profile energy analyst who the GOP says has details of Biden corruption, is charged in sweeping Justice Department indictment

www.usatoday.com

The 57-year-old fugitive has become a key figure in Republican-led corruption investigations into President Joe Biden, accusing him, his son Hunter Biden and other family members of having improper financial arrangements with the China-controlled energy company CEFC. The White House and Biden family representatives have issued broad denials of such claims of corruption as being false and without merit.

Again, by this time in the first impeachment, three months had passed since the Senate vote.

See above. The FBI and DOJ has been obstructing the investigation.

Take your time. I'm not trying to stump you. Just presenting facts.

BS! You're engaging in presenting your interpretation of the facts.

Margot Robbie is married. I don't do married women. It's a joke.

Did my wink emoji escape your attention? *sigh*

 

[Jredbaron96]

The fact that Skokin was fired at the behest of Joe Biden, through the efforts of Hunter, suggests a quid pro qua arrangement.

Except that's not what happened.

 

[Overitall]

That's not what happened at all.

Should we hold our breaths waiting for you to elucidate on "what happened"?

 

[Michael Cole]

The dragging feet of the FBI and DOJ is the reasons for the delays. Indicting a whistleblower is meant to intimidate him from testifying.

US says missing GOP whistleblower is arms trafficker, Chinese agent

Gal Luft, a high-profile energy analyst who the GOP says has details of Biden corruption, is charged in sweeping Justice Department indictment

www.usatoday.com

See above. The FBI and DOJ has been obstructing the investigation.

BS! You're engaging in presenting your interpretation of the facts.

So then, the GOP is incompetent. No argument from me.

Either way, the investigation is not "just starting." It's been going for 7 months. Seven months of nothing.

The FBI isn't delaying anything. Ongoing investigations are never discussed. The GOP knows this. They're hoping that people don't. Sadly, many don't.

What we have are whistleblower after whistleblower dying, missing, indicted, in jail, etc. I don't recall any problems with the impeachment witnesses. What's up?

I know what's up. People are being played. They're on the edge of their seats. "More...more...more..."

If this ever concludes in a timely manner, what will they do until election day?

You're being played.

Did my wink emoji escape your attention? *sigh*

<<< that's not a wink

 

[Captain Adverse]

Except that's not what happened.

Except that is EXACTLY what happened. Biden admitted it himself, proudly before the whole world.

The evidence being presented simply does not support the narratives that led people to believe as you seem to do.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Should we hold our breaths waiting for you to elucidate on "what happened"?

No need.

For starters, technically it was Zlochevsky, not Burisma, that was under investigation, and he was under investigation for actions he had committed while he had been a member of the pre-Euromaiden Ukrainian government. Nor was Shokin the first one to do it; he inherited the investigation from Pshonka who had started it initially in 2012 long before Hunter Biden ever say in on a Burisma staff meeting.

Second, Shokin didn't actually do any real investigating. Instead he used the threat of prosecution to garner bribes and extort, even going after anti-corruption groups who had raised concerns about his performance: https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-protest-prosecutor-shokin-dismissal/27639981.html

It only increased after two of Shokins' aides got caught with money and jewels in a sting, to the point where people were protesting on the streets in Kiev calling for his resignation.

On top of that all, as the Ukrainians have repeatedly pointed out, none of the investigations ever pertained to what Hunter Biden did or even related to Burisma while Hunter was with Burisma.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Except that is EXACTLY what happened. Biden admitted it himself, proudly before the whole world.

The evidence being presented simply does not support the narratives that led people to believe as you seem to do.

No, it isn't. See post #1574